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[DarkStutzel]

Here's a summary of some couples from some stories I read, with different situations:

Lauren and Corey (married for many years): When Ryder crossed the line, she broke up with Ryder right away. And she got Corey back. Sarah: When Lester mistreats Dan and says he's jealous, Sarah is getting Dan back. Lester sends Sarah upstairs, and Dan then goes to the basement. Sarah doesn't get her husband back (instead, she violates her daughters' bed).

Daisy with Ash: Conner is in trouble after an accident. When Ash starts attacking her husband, he defends her. Conner is sexually broken and doesn't have cuckold kinks.

Julia and Tom: They don't have children. Tom awakened his wife's sexuality, but he was cut off and betrayed and knows he'll never be able to satisfy her. Her wife likes sex and Devon. Julie wanted Devon. Not the man himself, but the sex. She loved me, but she didn't want to give up this new side of herself. New adventures and feelings. # Just like Dan and Sarah, the consequences and the end of their marriage.

Ashley and Jacob are a young couple, only a few years into their marriage. But Jacob isn't a coward; he confronted Carlos. Life went on; Dan couldn't face Lester, who depended on him financially.

Louise and Johnny: Johnny sent Louise to Tony's hands, and he had only one rule: to know and use a condom. Just like Sarah, she lost her career, fell into the clutches of a teenager, and cut Johnny off from sex altogether.
Emily was waiting for Johnny, and Trisha is waiting for Dan. Sarah leaving Dan aside will take Dan away from Sarah. Tony makes Louise lose her sense of everything, just as Lester does with Sarah.

Nolan and Grace have a conversation, and Nolan regrets it. "...So, how do you feel? Knowing Nate slept with your girl?" she added, wanting more of that dirty talk to encourage him.

Nolan swallowed and cleared his throat, shifting in his chair as he tried to find the words.

"It's... weird," he admitted. "I mean, I knew that was a possibility when we started all this, but it's different hearing about it, knowing it happened and there's no going back. That another man knows how you... feel."

Grace smiled and squeezed his hand again. "I know," she said. "And I'm sorry if it hurts. But I also find it kind of arousing knowing that someone else has been inside me. That another man has claimed me, and that you have to deal with that."

Nolan took a deep breath. That had hurt him. But before Grace could continue, Nolan spoke. "I can't deny that it hurts to hear that, that you could consciously choose to hurt my feelings for your own pleasure," he said. "But you're right. I find it kind of arousing. Not just kind of arousing. Really arousing, actually. Knowing that you're being shared, that you're not just mine, even though you still are."

Grace nodded, her heart swelling at the revelation.

"That's why I think we need to continue this journey together," Grace said. "We're both learning new things about ourselves and our relationship. But that comes with maturity. You need to deal with the fact that I'm going to explore with Nate, and you need to accept that. And I need to accept the fact that you're dealing with your own emotions about this. But we can do this together."

 

[Verisimilinude]

I see your point and agree, particularly about the lack of understanding (in my experience, this is relatively common with couples getting into this scene). Though it seemed to me that both characters at times just pushed through their spouse's hesitation and kept going - like almost brushing the other one aside maybe? Whether or not these were intentional, it does represent places where they went off the rails, IMO.

Yeah it's the lack of communication that is the core problem. I went back to chap 1&2 to see if there had been any discussion of a sharing fantasy or at least knowledge of the lifestyle and it's interesting how they were at least trying to communicate back then. As in this example:
Pausing to see how far he could push his wife, Dan added "Or maybe it was just knowing you were being listened to that turned you on so much." He continued to work his kisses up her neck, which he knew drove her crazy.

Sarah knew Dan was trying to push her buttons. She also knew the thought of being listened to did turn her on like crazy last night before. His kisses on her neck were getting her all worked up again. She decided to turn the tables and whisper in Dean's (so Dan was once a Dean, lol) ear "Or maybe it was knowing that I was pleasuring two guys at once."

So for me up to about chapter 7, this was about a lack of awareness/knowledge of the lifestyle and I don't think it was purposeful on either of their parts to endanger their marriage.

But the event's just tragically snowball into lust and rushing into the new experiences (for both of them) without thinking, talking and evaluating the cost/benefit ratio.

But I would put forth for your consideration, that there is a difference between cuck-type sexual humiliation in the moment, and outright disrespect.
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However, locking Dan out of the bedroom, giving Dan the wrong room key/number at the hotel, inviting a 3rd into the situation (in that same hotel room) to fuck Sarah without either of them knowing - this is blatant disrespect. In fact, I believe these situations not only represent disrespect, I believe they are dangerous.

I believe that there can be a difference for some, but I also understand that for others in or out of a sexual framing they are one and the same. People are wired differently. I once dated a woman where caffeine acted as a depressant and alcohol acted as a stimulant for her system, as an example. And once you get into the psychological realm and the differences just multiplies.
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Using that thought process on TA, I don't think that Lester's disrespect is sexual at all for him. He may derive some satisfaction from it, but what it boils down to is contempt. He doesn't disrespect Dan, he despises him, and like you said I think that's far more dangerous.

Lester is an ego-centric, arrogant, narcissistic asshole. He lusts for Sarah, he envy's Dan and he put a plan in place to destroy him. And after 34 chapters he's just about achieved his goals. He manipulated Dan's kinks, he's psychologically conditioned Sarah with sex and monetary stability and mind fucked Dan to the point we see he is on the verge of a mental breakdown. The only thing left for Lester to finally make Dan's mind melt is getting Sarah to willingly get pregnant and keep Lester's child(ren). Chapter 35 will inform us how how this story will end.

And this has happened, because (like you've stated) the couple didn't discuss the fantasy, discuss limits and ultimately ignored the warning signs of each other's addictive behavior.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Now, at the latest, after the defilement and contamination of the children's room by the ‘cock-driven, wanton slut’ Sarah and the ‘perverted dirty pig’ Lester, Dan should show some reaction.
This should consist of summoning the son of a bitch Lester to his home, properly castrating him, polishing his face so that he no longer knows whether he is male or female, kicking him in the arse and throwing him out of the house.
(Of course, this will only be the case if the author, Mister DS, does not continue to restrict him in his actions and function in order to erase his individuality and break his will.)
And if his ‘slut of a wife’, Sarah, makes any move to protect that filthy bastard Lester, he should kick her out too, because she has long deserved to be held accountable.

Where the CHILDEREN are concerned, all fun, reason and patience cease, because their protection and well-being come first.
Time for ‘Death Wish’ à la Charles Bronson!

-- PC

PC you may want to brace yourself for an ending you won't like. As I see it Dan has a few logical paths (based on how his character has been written):

1) Once he mentally snaps he goes into flight mode and walks out the door and leaves everything behind.
2) He goes into fight mode and is consumed with a murderous rage that leaves him rotting in prison.
3) He accepts his new reality and embraces his cuckold traits and his new role in this throuple.

Now if you add Lester's goals to the mix (he wants Dan out of the picture), then it becomes obvious the only path for Dan is to walk away. I think he loves Sarah and I think he could forgive her almost anything, the deciding factor will be the pregnancy. I think for Dan this is the line in the sand he can't cross. You can already see him cracking when he heard Sarah say she loved Lester.

I tried to find other logical paths, maybe someone else can see something I don't. Having stated those conclusions, DS has surprised me (I certainly didn't see the throuple coming) and maybe he finds a different ending.

 

[Verisimilinude]

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Interesting story. If only Dan had said this at any point during the last 34 chapters:
"Yes I would, and it's no longer my fantasy, but yours (as well). Please (Sarah), I love you but we've taken this kinky behavior way too far. Let's dial it back and enjoy our life together."

 

[Bad Boy Billy]

swewx said:
Right now I wouid go for Tainted Conception. I think there's more potential than TA. It's not messed up like TA, yet. lol
And, there are a lot of good erotic stories on literotica, ravishu.com, storiesonline.net, blacktowhite.net, slutwives.com, even bdsmlibrary.com, etc., for every taste.
Has anyone tried "

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" by DocSexaday or "

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" by expatdad? They are incomplete stories, but I think it's worth the time to take a look.



Wow!!!
I've just finished counting to 1000.
Man, you have issues you should go to a shrink to get your brain reset.
Where the hell you read something about "these stories" being better (or not) than Toxic Attraction or any other??
Maybe I made a mistake being so short on my suggestion. I just never thought someone could get me so wrong.
When talking about Don's work you only see "cuckold" stories, and his predilection for submissive husbands, lovesick wives and dirty, ugly old men.
And almost everyone sees his predilection for money rather than for a story that makes sense from start to finish.

With all due respect (Hell, I love saying this... lol), be more polite when talking about what other people think or like.
See "dewil666" reply to my post. He doesn't like docsexaday way of writing and thinks expatdad is ok, but he was kind enough to state his choices without being rude.

If you'd taken the time to ask me why, I'd probably have told you to pay attention to the ideas and storyline of those writers, and maybe we'd have had a nice chat about how they would have been better off with a talented writer like Don.

About my all time favorites: "Parker" "Storymaster" "The Cryptkeeper" asstr.xyz, "Powerone"

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are some of them. They're all different, but each one has its own appeal.

Be good!

He's a very good author
But he is missing so many real truths
That can't be fuckin accepted
Fantasy shit
Anyway he is a very good author I wish I could verbalize that, but I can't
Just to many mistakes of real life
It just to me makes it really silly
Good luck no reality
Reality is crucial it's truly painful if dark
This is a not credible

 

[Bad Boy Billy]

I like this bro
As a author very good
But from my knowledge of fraternity life, and making contracts with the societies Belle, it's not true
Just wish he didn't make Lester such a fat fuck, it could have been a cool story
It's a tipping point that would of been fun
Dark is true
This is not
But a great premise
It's lost tract
Shit I wanted a fuckin cool challenge story
The author should have moved on
Soory

 

[bluepixiegurl316]

I remember when there were red flags in Dan's mind about his emails being edited, his computer being hacked, then the hospital being hacked, Lester's computer background and some private security firm was investigating things.

How long ago was that?

 

[DarkStutzel]

Interesting story. If only Dan had said this at any point during the last 34 chapters:
"Yes I would, and it's no longer my fantasy, but yours (as well). Please (Sarah), I love you but we've taken this kinky behavior way too far. Let's dial it back and enjoy our life together."

Unfortunately, I don't see that being possible. Sarah is unemployed and addicted to sex with Lester (the arrangement is fine for her), and Dan is on the verge of bankruptcy. To escape Lester's trap, he'll either have to earn a lot of money and put his family back on the safe side, or he'll have to separate from Sarah and end his torment. Sarah and Dan haven't been intimate for a long time. I think Chapter 35 is the most anticipated, with many possibilities open. Will we see an argument between the couple? I hope Don can insert a quick thought into Dan (when it all started and where he is now, so we can get a sense of how much time has passed).

 

[King_Gonta]

Yeah it's the lack of communication that is the core problem. I went back to chap 1&2 to see if there had been any discussion of a sharing fantasy or at least knowledge of the lifestyle and it's interesting how they were at least trying to communicate back then. As in this example:
Pausing to see how far he could push his wife, Dan added "Or maybe it was just knowing you were being listened to that turned you on so much." He continued to work his kisses up her neck, which he knew drove her crazy.

Sarah knew Dan was trying to push her buttons. She also knew the thought of being listened to did turn her on like crazy last night before. His kisses on her neck were getting her all worked up again. She decided to turn the tables and whisper in Dean's (so Dan was once a Dean, lol) ear "Or maybe it was knowing that I was pleasuring two guys at once."

So for me up to about chapter 7, this was about a lack of awareness/knowledge of the lifestyle and I don't think it was purposeful on either of their parts to endanger their marriage.

But the event's just tragically snowball into lust and rushing into the new experiences (for both of them) without thinking, talking and evaluating the cost/benefit ratio.



I believe that there can be a difference for some, but I also understand that for others in or out of a sexual framing they are one and the same. People are wired differently. I once dated a woman where caffeine acted as a depressant and alcohol acted as a stimulant for her system, as an example. And once you get into the psychological realm and the differences just multiplies.
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Using that thought process on TA, I don't think that Lester's disrespect is sexual at all for him. He may derive some satisfaction from it, but what it boils down to is contempt. He doesn't disrespect Dan, he despises him, and like you said I think that's far more dangerous.

Lester is an ego-centric, arrogant, narcissistic asshole. He lusts for Sarah, he envy's Dan and he put a plan in place to destroy him. And after 34 chapters he's just about achieved his goals. He manipulated Dan's kinks, he's psychologically conditioned Sarah with sex and monetary stability and mind fucked Dan to the point we see he is on the verge of a mental breakdown. The only thing left for Lester to finally make Dan's mind melt is getting Sarah to willingly get pregnant and keep Lester's child(ren). Chapter 35 will inform us how how this story will end.

And this has happened, because (like you've stated) the couple didn't discuss the fantasy, discuss limits and ultimately ignored the warning signs of each other's addictive behavior.

I mention "Ascending Lauren" again for this very reason

The titular wife had very good communication with her husband while going through far worse situation than Dan and Sarah

Their communication made the story very interesting.

Dan and Sarah have bad communication .

Both never tell their true feelings and motivationa to each other.

That's why their marriage is more prone to breaking

 

[ABinWP]

But the event's just tragically snowball into lust and rushing into the new experiences (for both of them) without thinking, talking and evaluating the cost/benefit ratio.

...and not respecting each other and the decisions did make, few though they may be. Sarah is especially guilty here.

Like many life experiences, this lifestyle is a journey, not a destination. Along with just a destination, any journey should have a purpose, some understanding of the stages involved, a mapping of touchpoints - in other words, navigation. A plan. These two had/have none of that.

The only thing left for Lester to finally make Dan's mind melt is getting Sarah to willingly get pregnant and keep Lester's child(ren). Chapter 35 will inform us how how this story will end.

Given how long and repetitive this story has been, I'm not so sure. You may not get a hint how the story will end until Chapter 45. We may very well get a half dozen more filler chapters of Sarah getting fucked in various positions/locations with no meaningful forward movement in the story.

In truth, I'm not certain the author himself knows how the story is going to end. Sometimes I think he's become lost within his own story. At the very least, if he does know how the story is going to end, he probably doesn't know how he's going to get there from here.

And this has happened, because (like you've stated) the couple didn't discuss the fantasy, discuss limits and ultimately ignored the warning signs of each other's addictive behavior.

Yes, discussion/communication is obviously important here, though I think it even goes farther than that. Sometimes, we have people ask us about entering the lifestyle, and the very first thing we always say, is that this is about the two of you - you do this together to enhance your relationship. We ourselves always keep this firmly in mind. Dan and (especially) Sarah have completely lost this maxim. Sarah isn't even giving it a single moment's thought anymore. At this point, they need an absolute re-commitment to their relationship. However, Sarah doesn't seem interested.

 

[ABinWP]

Interesting story. If only Dan had said this at any point during the last 34 chapters:
"Yes I would, and it's no longer my fantasy, but yours (as well). Please (Sarah), I love you but we've taken this kinky behavior way too far. Let's dial it back and enjoy our life together."

I seem to recall a couple of times along the way, where Dan showed some dissatisfaction or hesitation, and she threw the "You started this!(sic)" thing at him, and he immediately backed off. She did it again in the very last chapter ("This is what you wanted"). I view this as a very cheap - and sinister - way to absolve herself of any responsibility.

 

[Verisimilinude]

I seem to recall a couple of times along the way, where Dan showed some dissatisfaction or hesitation, and she threw the "You started this!(sic)" thing at him, and he immediately backed off. She did it again in the very last chapter ("This is what you wanted"). I view this as a very cheap - and sinister - way to absolve herself of any responsibility.

I think we do need to separate pre-Sarah firing and post-firing. What I'm discussing is pre-firing. Because everything past chap 33, Sarah is invested and knowing what she is doing (though I would argue you have to take into account she's also been carefully conditioned/manipulated by Lester to see things thru his views).

Yes Dan did "show" signs, but he also "showed" signs of arousal and acceptance. This lead to mixed signals from him and gave her a false sense of "everything must be okay." I'm not saying either are blameless, I'm saying that for me I have no sympathy for Dan's current situation because he didn't "voice" his disapproval by having an honest adult conversation about what he wanted.

It's been my issue with Dan for some time, he's indecisive. At first he's a passive voyeur when he's "sharing her" with Lester. But once Sarah was manipulated by Jesse to fuck Lester, Dan became passive aggressive. He wanted to see her fuck Lester to feed his lust, but he was angry about it as well. When what should have happened, if he felt disrespected, was to ask her to pack her bags and then have a discussion on the way back to Middleton, and what their future would look like from his perspective.

But I understand why DS has written him this way. The series would have been over at chapter 8. With Dan being passive, it allows DS to write a longer corruption tale. I personally feel like he could have done it a different way. I think it would have been a more interesting way if DS had written it as Lester corrupting both Dan and Sarah. The whole boiling a lobster analogy, slowing turning the heat up until they are both so deep they can't get out. However it's not my place to tell someone else how to write the story they want to tell.

 

[Joshy92]

I think we do need to separate pre-Sarah firing and post-firing. What I'm discussing is pre-firing. Because everything past chap 33, Sarah is invested and knowing what she is doing (though I would argue you have to take into account she's also been carefully conditioned/manipulated by Lester to see things thru his views).

Yes Dan did "show" signs, but he also "showed" signs of arousal and acceptance. This lead to mixed signals from him and gave her a false sense of "everything must be okay." I'm not saying either are blameless, I'm saying that for me I have no sympathy for Dan's current situation because he didn't "voice" his disapproval by having an honest adult conversation about what he wanted.

It's been my issue with Dan for some time, he's indecisive. At first he's a passive voyeur when he's "sharing her" with Lester. But once Sarah was manipulated by Jesse to fuck Lester, Dan became passive aggressive. He wanted to see her fuck Lester to feed his lust, but he was angry about it as well. When what should have happened, if he felt disrespected, was to ask her to pack her bags and then have a discussion on the way back to Middleton, and what their future would look like from his perspective.

But I understand why DS has written him this way. The series would have been over at chapter 8. With Dan being passive, it allows DS to write a longer corruption tale. I personally feel like he could have done it a different way. I think it would have been a more interesting way if DS had written it as Lester corrupting both Dan and Sarah. The whole boiling a lobster analogy, slowing turning the heat up until they are both so deep they can't get out. However it's not my place to tell someone else how to write the story they want to tell.

It's common for men with cuckold fantasies like Dan to be both extremely aroused and angry when the cuckolding happens. I'd actually say DS wrote Dan really well in the earlier and even most of the later chapters.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Given how long and repetitive this story has been, I'm not so sure. You may not get a hint how the story will end until Chapter 45. We may very well get a half dozen more filler chapters of Sarah getting fucked in various positions/locations with no meaningful forward movement in the story.

Fair enough, I should have stated once we know how Dan reacts to chap 34 events, we will have a better indicator of how the story will end.

In truth, I'm not certain the author himself knows how the story is going to end. Sometimes I think he's become lost within his own story. At the very least, if he does know how the story is going to end, he probably doesn't know how he's going to get there from here.

Yeah can't speak for other authors, but it's why I have a detailed outline of my stories. Things may change or shuffle some, but I know where it's going and roughly how it's getting there. The one exception being quick spank or one shot stories, those are usually stream of consciousness.

Yes, discussion/communication is obviously important here, though I think it even goes farther than that. Sometimes, we have people ask us about entering the lifestyle, and the very first thing we always say, is that this is about the two of you - you do this together to enhance your relationship. We ourselves always keep this firmly in mind. Dan and (especially) Sarah have completely lost this maxim. Sarah isn't even giving it a single moment's thought anymore. At this point, they need an absolute re-commitment to their relationship. However, Sarah doesn't seem interested.

Granted, the keyword being IF this was a real life couple. But since this is a fictional erotic story I give it some latitude. Sure I want it grounded in realism, but I also recognized that Sarah and Dan have roles to play in the story. And a recommitment isn't the toxic tale that DS is going for (or if he is he's got an odd way of writing it lol).

As always, I enjoy the healthy discussion and insights you're providing.

 

[Verisimilinude]

It's common for men with cuckold fantasies like Dan to be both extremely aroused and angry when the cuckolding happens. I'd actually say DS wrote Dan really well in the earlier and even most of the later chapters.

I would argue it's more common to be aroused and jealous, with hints of anger. And I would agree with you if Dan had been presented as a trad cuckold, but he wasn't. In the early chapters he was a voyeur who thought he was a stag and in control of sharing his wife. But it was soon made abundantly clear to the reader that Sarah was the dominant in their relationship and Dan the submissive.

And he's been indecisive from the start. Idk maybe this is normal in a sharing lifestyle; I have to think there would be hesitation and indecision about sharing your wife with another man for the first time. However once he realized she embraced his fantasy and was no longer "in control," that's when Dan became toxic and passive aggressive. He fed her to Lester and then got pissed when she enjoyed it. Sarah isn't blameless in all of this, but right now I'm just discussing Dan's character.

 

[Joshy92]

I would argue it's more common to be aroused and jealous, with hints of anger. And I would agree with you if Dan had been presented as a trad cuckold, but he wasn't. In the early chapters he was a voyeur who thought he was a stag and in control of sharing his wife. But it was soon made abundantly clear to the reader that Sarah was the dominant in their relationship and Dan the submissive.

And he's been indecisive from the start. Idk maybe this is normal in a sharing lifestyle; I have to think there would be hesitation and indecision about sharing your wife with another man for the first time. However once he realized she embraced his fantasy and was no longer "in control," that's when Dan became toxic and passive aggressive. He fed her to Lester and then got pissed when she enjoyed it. Sarah isn't blameless in all of this, but right now I'm just discussing Dan's character.

He's indecisive because he's a cuckold. Men with cuckold fantasies are often submissive so Sarah being the dominant one doesn't surprise me.

Now, DS has written Dan worse lately, but I think that's because he doesn't fully understand the cuckold fantasy. I remember someone saying once her prefers swinging stories and if that's truer than I can see why he doesn't write Dan less aggressive.

Cuckolding is all about the woman's pleasure, and Dan hasn't learnt that yet, probably because DS either wants to have Dan off himself later down the line or doesn't want to have him embrace it yet because then the story would lose its hook.

 

[Jasontrent169]

Anyone have The Bet Ch 21?

 

[ABinWP]

I think we do need to separate pre-Sarah firing and post-firing. What I'm discussing is pre-firing. Because everything past chap 33, Sarah is invested and knowing what she is doing (though I would argue you have to take into account she's also been carefully conditioned/manipulated by Lester to see things thru his views).

Yes Dan did "show" signs, but he also "showed" signs of arousal and acceptance. This lead to mixed signals from him and gave her a false sense of "everything must be okay." I'm not saying either are blameless, I'm saying that for me I have no sympathy for Dan's current situation because he didn't "voice" his disapproval by having an honest adult conversation about what he wanted.

It's been my issue with Dan for some time, he's indecisive. At first he's a passive voyeur when he's "sharing her" with Lester. But once Sarah was manipulated by Jesse to fuck Lester, Dan became passive aggressive. He wanted to see her fuck Lester to feed his lust, but he was angry about it as well. When what should have happened, if he felt disrespected, was to ask her to pack her bags and then have a discussion on the way back to Middleton, and what their future would look like from his perspective.

But I understand why DS has written him this way. The series would have been over at chapter 8. With Dan being passive, it allows DS to write a longer corruption tale. I personally feel like he could have done it a different way. I think it would have been a more interesting way if DS had written it as Lester corrupting both Dan and Sarah. The whole boiling a lobster analogy, slowing turning the heat up until they are both so deep they can't get out. However it's not my place to tell someone else how to write the story they want to tell.

I enjoyed this post, thank you.

I'm OK with the author portraying the main characters any way he wants, but I just wish there was some continued focus on their respective mindsets/emotions as they continue this journey. Dan is just repeatedly "frozen", Sarah just mindlessly fucks.

 

[ABinWP]

Granted, the keyword being IF this was a real life couple. But since this is a fictional erotic story I give it some latitude. Sure I want it grounded in realism, but I also recognized that Sarah and Dan have roles to play in the story. And a recommitment isn't the toxic tale that DS is going for (or if he is he's got an odd way of writing it lol).

As always, I enjoy the healthy discussion and insights you're providing.

Yeah, I could have used better verbiage there. It's not my place to tell the author what his characters should do. Perhaps I should have said something like "If the two main characters want to get back on the rails, they need to...etcetc".

 

[Blank777]

Anybody got Don’s new island story?