Toxic Attraction DonSilver #Cuckold 8muses forum

[King_Gonta]

Yeah it's the lack of communication that is the core problem. I went back to chap 1&2 to see if there had been any discussion of a sharing fantasy or at least knowledge of the lifestyle and it's interesting how they were at least trying to communicate back then. As in this example:
Pausing to see how far he could push his wife, Dan added "Or maybe it was just knowing you were being listened to that turned you on so much." He continued to work his kisses up her neck, which he knew drove her crazy.

Sarah knew Dan was trying to push her buttons. She also knew the thought of being listened to did turn her on like crazy last night before. His kisses on her neck were getting her all worked up again. She decided to turn the tables and whisper in Dean's (so Dan was once a Dean, lol) ear "Or maybe it was knowing that I was pleasuring two guys at once."

So for me up to about chapter 7, this was about a lack of awareness/knowledge of the lifestyle and I don't think it was purposeful on either of their parts to endanger their marriage.

But the event's just tragically snowball into lust and rushing into the new experiences (for both of them) without thinking, talking and evaluating the cost/benefit ratio.



I believe that there can be a difference for some, but I also understand that for others in or out of a sexual framing they are one and the same. People are wired differently. I once dated a woman where caffeine acted as a depressant and alcohol acted as a stimulant for her system, as an example. And once you get into the psychological realm and the differences just multiplies.
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Using that thought process on TA, I don't think that Lester's disrespect is sexual at all for him. He may derive some satisfaction from it, but what it boils down to is contempt. He doesn't disrespect Dan, he despises him, and like you said I think that's far more dangerous.

Lester is an ego-centric, arrogant, narcissistic asshole. He lusts for Sarah, he envy's Dan and he put a plan in place to destroy him. And after 34 chapters he's just about achieved his goals. He manipulated Dan's kinks, he's psychologically conditioned Sarah with sex and monetary stability and mind fucked Dan to the point we see he is on the verge of a mental breakdown. The only thing left for Lester to finally make Dan's mind melt is getting Sarah to willingly get pregnant and keep Lester's child(ren). Chapter 35 will inform us how how this story will end.

And this has happened, because (like you've stated) the couple didn't discuss the fantasy, discuss limits and ultimately ignored the warning signs of each other's addictive behavior.

I mention "Ascending Lauren" again for this very reason

The titular wife had very good communication with her husband while going through far worse situation than Dan and Sarah

Their communication made the story very interesting.

Dan and Sarah have bad communication .

Both never tell their true feelings and motivationa to each other.

That's why their marriage is more prone to breaking

 

[ABinWP]

But the event's just tragically snowball into lust and rushing into the new experiences (for both of them) without thinking, talking and evaluating the cost/benefit ratio.

...and not respecting each other and the decisions did make, few though they may be. Sarah is especially guilty here.

Like many life experiences, this lifestyle is a journey, not a destination. Along with just a destination, any journey should have a purpose, some understanding of the stages involved, a mapping of touchpoints - in other words, navigation. A plan. These two had/have none of that.

The only thing left for Lester to finally make Dan's mind melt is getting Sarah to willingly get pregnant and keep Lester's child(ren). Chapter 35 will inform us how how this story will end.

Given how long and repetitive this story has been, I'm not so sure. You may not get a hint how the story will end until Chapter 45. We may very well get a half dozen more filler chapters of Sarah getting fucked in various positions/locations with no meaningful forward movement in the story.

In truth, I'm not certain the author himself knows how the story is going to end. Sometimes I think he's become lost within his own story. At the very least, if he does know how the story is going to end, he probably doesn't know how he's going to get there from here.

And this has happened, because (like you've stated) the couple didn't discuss the fantasy, discuss limits and ultimately ignored the warning signs of each other's addictive behavior.

Yes, discussion/communication is obviously important here, though I think it even goes farther than that. Sometimes, we have people ask us about entering the lifestyle, and the very first thing we always say, is that this is about the two of you - you do this together to enhance your relationship. We ourselves always keep this firmly in mind. Dan and (especially) Sarah have completely lost this maxim. Sarah isn't even giving it a single moment's thought anymore. At this point, they need an absolute re-commitment to their relationship. However, Sarah doesn't seem interested.

 

[ABinWP]

Interesting story. If only Dan had said this at any point during the last 34 chapters:
"Yes I would, and it's no longer my fantasy, but yours (as well). Please (Sarah), I love you but we've taken this kinky behavior way too far. Let's dial it back and enjoy our life together."

I seem to recall a couple of times along the way, where Dan showed some dissatisfaction or hesitation, and she threw the "You started this!(sic)" thing at him, and he immediately backed off. She did it again in the very last chapter ("This is what you wanted"). I view this as a very cheap - and sinister - way to absolve herself of any responsibility.

 

[Verisimilinude]

I seem to recall a couple of times along the way, where Dan showed some dissatisfaction or hesitation, and she threw the "You started this!(sic)" thing at him, and he immediately backed off. She did it again in the very last chapter ("This is what you wanted"). I view this as a very cheap - and sinister - way to absolve herself of any responsibility.

I think we do need to separate pre-Sarah firing and post-firing. What I'm discussing is pre-firing. Because everything past chap 33, Sarah is invested and knowing what she is doing (though I would argue you have to take into account she's also been carefully conditioned/manipulated by Lester to see things thru his views).

Yes Dan did "show" signs, but he also "showed" signs of arousal and acceptance. This lead to mixed signals from him and gave her a false sense of "everything must be okay." I'm not saying either are blameless, I'm saying that for me I have no sympathy for Dan's current situation because he didn't "voice" his disapproval by having an honest adult conversation about what he wanted.

It's been my issue with Dan for some time, he's indecisive. At first he's a passive voyeur when he's "sharing her" with Lester. But once Sarah was manipulated by Jesse to fuck Lester, Dan became passive aggressive. He wanted to see her fuck Lester to feed his lust, but he was angry about it as well. When what should have happened, if he felt disrespected, was to ask her to pack her bags and then have a discussion on the way back to Middleton, and what their future would look like from his perspective.

But I understand why DS has written him this way. The series would have been over at chapter 8. With Dan being passive, it allows DS to write a longer corruption tale. I personally feel like he could have done it a different way. I think it would have been a more interesting way if DS had written it as Lester corrupting both Dan and Sarah. The whole boiling a lobster analogy, slowing turning the heat up until they are both so deep they can't get out. However it's not my place to tell someone else how to write the story they want to tell.

 

[Joshy92]

I think we do need to separate pre-Sarah firing and post-firing. What I'm discussing is pre-firing. Because everything past chap 33, Sarah is invested and knowing what she is doing (though I would argue you have to take into account she's also been carefully conditioned/manipulated by Lester to see things thru his views).

Yes Dan did "show" signs, but he also "showed" signs of arousal and acceptance. This lead to mixed signals from him and gave her a false sense of "everything must be okay." I'm not saying either are blameless, I'm saying that for me I have no sympathy for Dan's current situation because he didn't "voice" his disapproval by having an honest adult conversation about what he wanted.

It's been my issue with Dan for some time, he's indecisive. At first he's a passive voyeur when he's "sharing her" with Lester. But once Sarah was manipulated by Jesse to fuck Lester, Dan became passive aggressive. He wanted to see her fuck Lester to feed his lust, but he was angry about it as well. When what should have happened, if he felt disrespected, was to ask her to pack her bags and then have a discussion on the way back to Middleton, and what their future would look like from his perspective.

But I understand why DS has written him this way. The series would have been over at chapter 8. With Dan being passive, it allows DS to write a longer corruption tale. I personally feel like he could have done it a different way. I think it would have been a more interesting way if DS had written it as Lester corrupting both Dan and Sarah. The whole boiling a lobster analogy, slowing turning the heat up until they are both so deep they can't get out. However it's not my place to tell someone else how to write the story they want to tell.

It's common for men with cuckold fantasies like Dan to be both extremely aroused and angry when the cuckolding happens. I'd actually say DS wrote Dan really well in the earlier and even most of the later chapters.

 

[Verisimilinude]

Given how long and repetitive this story has been, I'm not so sure. You may not get a hint how the story will end until Chapter 45. We may very well get a half dozen more filler chapters of Sarah getting fucked in various positions/locations with no meaningful forward movement in the story.

Fair enough, I should have stated once we know how Dan reacts to chap 34 events, we will have a better indicator of how the story will end.

In truth, I'm not certain the author himself knows how the story is going to end. Sometimes I think he's become lost within his own story. At the very least, if he does know how the story is going to end, he probably doesn't know how he's going to get there from here.

Yeah can't speak for other authors, but it's why I have a detailed outline of my stories. Things may change or shuffle some, but I know where it's going and roughly how it's getting there. The one exception being quick spank or one shot stories, those are usually stream of consciousness.

Yes, discussion/communication is obviously important here, though I think it even goes farther than that. Sometimes, we have people ask us about entering the lifestyle, and the very first thing we always say, is that this is about the two of you - you do this together to enhance your relationship. We ourselves always keep this firmly in mind. Dan and (especially) Sarah have completely lost this maxim. Sarah isn't even giving it a single moment's thought anymore. At this point, they need an absolute re-commitment to their relationship. However, Sarah doesn't seem interested.

Granted, the keyword being IF this was a real life couple. But since this is a fictional erotic story I give it some latitude. Sure I want it grounded in realism, but I also recognized that Sarah and Dan have roles to play in the story. And a recommitment isn't the toxic tale that DS is going for (or if he is he's got an odd way of writing it lol).

As always, I enjoy the healthy discussion and insights you're providing.

 

[Verisimilinude]

It's common for men with cuckold fantasies like Dan to be both extremely aroused and angry when the cuckolding happens. I'd actually say DS wrote Dan really well in the earlier and even most of the later chapters.

I would argue it's more common to be aroused and jealous, with hints of anger. And I would agree with you if Dan had been presented as a trad cuckold, but he wasn't. In the early chapters he was a voyeur who thought he was a stag and in control of sharing his wife. But it was soon made abundantly clear to the reader that Sarah was the dominant in their relationship and Dan the submissive.

And he's been indecisive from the start. Idk maybe this is normal in a sharing lifestyle; I have to think there would be hesitation and indecision about sharing your wife with another man for the first time. However once he realized she embraced his fantasy and was no longer "in control," that's when Dan became toxic and passive aggressive. He fed her to Lester and then got pissed when she enjoyed it. Sarah isn't blameless in all of this, but right now I'm just discussing Dan's character.

 

[Joshy92]

I would argue it's more common to be aroused and jealous, with hints of anger. And I would agree with you if Dan had been presented as a trad cuckold, but he wasn't. In the early chapters he was a voyeur who thought he was a stag and in control of sharing his wife. But it was soon made abundantly clear to the reader that Sarah was the dominant in their relationship and Dan the submissive.

And he's been indecisive from the start. Idk maybe this is normal in a sharing lifestyle; I have to think there would be hesitation and indecision about sharing your wife with another man for the first time. However once he realized she embraced his fantasy and was no longer "in control," that's when Dan became toxic and passive aggressive. He fed her to Lester and then got pissed when she enjoyed it. Sarah isn't blameless in all of this, but right now I'm just discussing Dan's character.

He's indecisive because he's a cuckold. Men with cuckold fantasies are often submissive so Sarah being the dominant one doesn't surprise me.

Now, DS has written Dan worse lately, but I think that's because he doesn't fully understand the cuckold fantasy. I remember someone saying once her prefers swinging stories and if that's truer than I can see why he doesn't write Dan less aggressive.

Cuckolding is all about the woman's pleasure, and Dan hasn't learnt that yet, probably because DS either wants to have Dan off himself later down the line or doesn't want to have him embrace it yet because then the story would lose its hook.

 

[Jasontrent169]

Anyone have The Bet Ch 21?

 

[ABinWP]

I think we do need to separate pre-Sarah firing and post-firing. What I'm discussing is pre-firing. Because everything past chap 33, Sarah is invested and knowing what she is doing (though I would argue you have to take into account she's also been carefully conditioned/manipulated by Lester to see things thru his views).

Yes Dan did "show" signs, but he also "showed" signs of arousal and acceptance. This lead to mixed signals from him and gave her a false sense of "everything must be okay." I'm not saying either are blameless, I'm saying that for me I have no sympathy for Dan's current situation because he didn't "voice" his disapproval by having an honest adult conversation about what he wanted.

It's been my issue with Dan for some time, he's indecisive. At first he's a passive voyeur when he's "sharing her" with Lester. But once Sarah was manipulated by Jesse to fuck Lester, Dan became passive aggressive. He wanted to see her fuck Lester to feed his lust, but he was angry about it as well. When what should have happened, if he felt disrespected, was to ask her to pack her bags and then have a discussion on the way back to Middleton, and what their future would look like from his perspective.

But I understand why DS has written him this way. The series would have been over at chapter 8. With Dan being passive, it allows DS to write a longer corruption tale. I personally feel like he could have done it a different way. I think it would have been a more interesting way if DS had written it as Lester corrupting both Dan and Sarah. The whole boiling a lobster analogy, slowing turning the heat up until they are both so deep they can't get out. However it's not my place to tell someone else how to write the story they want to tell.

I enjoyed this post, thank you.

I'm OK with the author portraying the main characters any way he wants, but I just wish there was some continued focus on their respective mindsets/emotions as they continue this journey. Dan is just repeatedly "frozen", Sarah just mindlessly fucks.

 

[ABinWP]

Granted, the keyword being IF this was a real life couple. But since this is a fictional erotic story I give it some latitude. Sure I want it grounded in realism, but I also recognized that Sarah and Dan have roles to play in the story. And a recommitment isn't the toxic tale that DS is going for (or if he is he's got an odd way of writing it lol).

As always, I enjoy the healthy discussion and insights you're providing.

Yeah, I could have used better verbiage there. It's not my place to tell the author what his characters should do. Perhaps I should have said something like "If the two main characters want to get back on the rails, they need to...etcetc".

 

[Blank777]

Anybody got Don’s new island story?

 

[D2taA]

I think it's kinda like a sit-com TV show, one that's way past its prime. Were they taken the actors traits and personality are stretch and over exaggerated. To where they're nothing like the character you liked a couple of seasons ago. They really haven't got that much in common with their original character. It's what happens when you reach story fatigue. You have to have the characters act differently then try and build stories on their new personalities.

 

[Verisimilinude]

I remember when there were red flags in Dan's mind about his emails being edited, his computer being hacked, then the hospital being hacked, Lester's computer background and some private security firm was investigating things.

How long ago was that?

I want to say it was chap 23/24, it was after he got out of jail. There's been a breadcrumb here and there on following up but not much of anything has come of it.

 

[DarkStutzel]

I just hope Lester pays for his arrogance. Especially for his certainty that if he gets Sarah pregnant it will be a boy. If he sees a girl, he'll take after Lester, she'll be very ugly, a fat girl, with greasy hair, with Lester's face. I wanted to see Sarah's reaction, I hope to see Sarah trying to change Lester (Lester is already an option for her, she's already her man, she's seeing Dan's flaws and making Sarah see only flaws and no qualities. Leaving Dan in the basement to have pleasure with Lester was selfish, she didn't go to rescue her husband). And there is the factor of the bull that steals the woman, the bull that destroys the husband's life and destroys the husband. His goal is to end the marriage. Sarah doesn't want to stop. Sarah exchanges intimacy and loving words. She doesn't reprimand Lester, she doesn't say that this is just for Dan. Dan was a jerk; Lester shouldn't have let Sarah violate Sarah's wedding dress (he would have sex in Chicago, but not at his house). The cool thing is that there is no short-term way (unless he wins a lottery or a game of chance), which for Sarah will be humiliating in her head (Lester knows he is despising Dan). Lester must talk about Sarah leaving Dan, about divorcing Dan to be with him. Start some really hot sex, involve Dan, let Sarah take care of Dan, then Lester comes and gets involved, drives Sarah crazy, and begins the stage of Sarah leaving Dan. Dan has that in his head, doesn't have time to talk about all the sex, and Trisha shows up. For a woman determined to have a man, Trisha is moving very slowly. She doesn't care about Dan, and she has excuses: having children with Dan (an athletic man with a good physique and the certainty of a photogenic offspring, now with Lester and the certainty of a not-so-handsome offspring). Sarah has these points; she already has dreams of leaving her family and husband. These are signs that she has been denying herself. And to make it really cool, it would be great if she filed for divorce from Dan. Her parents would like their daughter to be with a financially well-off (responsible) man, a provider. Lester is the security that Sarah needs.

 

[Sunnyside1006]

Anyone have The Bet Ch 21?

Been waiting for someone to post it

 

[shulz777]

Just my opinion

Don Silver must either end this story OR make a major change for the main characters .
In my opinion - original story practically has come to an end, as it should be.
Toxic Attraction has won.
Evil ugly roommate achieved his goal, the beauty is his now, in every way and not just sexual, her husband doesn't matter anymore. Mission acomplished. Corruption complete.
In the last chapter they all simply can acknowledge the new status quo in their lives and try to live their new lives as best as they can.
Dragging on and on and with the whole Lester/Sarah and "frozen" Dan situation - won't make no difference to the story anymore, as we all could see in the last 9 or 10 Chapters.

OR

if Silver for some reason wants to carry on with the married couple and their sexual journey - in that case Lester must be removed from the story, so the married couple can get a complete new storyine.
The easiest way could be - Lester has a heart attack while having sex with Sarah.
Married couple finds in his room papers and access to his banking accounts, that way their financial problems get resolved.
Dan and Sarah have a real talk about their relationship and everything that happened and all the mistakes they've done and try a new start in their live, maybe moving to another city , find new jobs, meet new people and then start whole new watching/sharing wife-storyline with new rules and new situations where these rules might get bent or even broken.
Either way - the original Dan/ Sarah/Lester storyline is done, nothing new here anymore

 

[UrMomEzMine]

Just the basic starting scenario is ridiculous. Lester, a completely misanthrope, rents out a room but then turns out to have a lot of money. Dan is an skilled executive married to an upper level healthcare administrator and decides he needs to rent a room instead of getting one of those furnished apartments. In a story set when the economy is doing very well, especially for people in healthcare administration. They always prioritize sex over their children and rarely think of them. Lester single handed takes down the hospital and then, with no paper qualifications, is hired to protect them from hackers because he says he can do it. Multiple plot points hinge on Dan having no protection on his phone. He's a parent—he has a password set! Not to mention that Sarah can't ever say no to the sight of Lester's dick, no matter how angry she is with him. Over and over again, the story is goofy.

TA is like a Marvel movie. Some of it reflects real human emotions, but it's a fantasy with little grounding in reality.

I really liked this story, specially because of the sex scenes, but Lester was never close to a real person.
He is a fat weirdo who lives in a shitty apartment. As story goes we discover:

*Is one of the best hackers who ever lived - he can fool a big security company and the hospital's IT department, hijacking their system and then being the white Knight who saves them;
*Got 200k in an 1 week job and dont gave a shit, because he can sell illegal stuff with zero problems;
*Has a brilliant mind, probably at Sherlock Holmes' level - he can plan and antecipate everything everyone will do. Sarah, Dan, Jesse, others will behave exactly how he plans and make decisions just the way he wants, no setbacks ever;
*Fucked his roomate and made videos - seriously, in what world a young pretty teen like Lizzie will share a rent room with a creepy single older guy???? And maybe were others before.
*Is a sex god with an infinite sex drive, and can manipulate any living being, but was alone when the story began;
*Is a fat sedentary guy who eat only junk food and almost dies climbing a ladder, but can fuck nonstop for hours.

So, we have a brilliant skilled guy who could be millionaire and have an harem of girls, but preffer to live in a crap room full of garbage waiting for a hot girl to show up and become his sex toy.

 

[Ndbaelor]

I don't have lot to add to this conversation other than that we have 10 more pages to go to hit 200.

 

[Karaoke77]

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