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EvolutionKills

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And like that comment wasn't. Funny, for once I actually wasnt aware I was being one. I wasn't the one assuming things of folks and going onm the attack. Unlike you now also. But please, educate us all on where exactly I was an asshole.

Thought better of you Walt.
My dude. My guy. I disagreed with your sentiment, but again I didn't know how bad of a take your opinion stemmed from. Rather than reply to you and pick a fight that I didn't want, because again I don't really know or care how potentially bad your personal take is, I instead replied to someone else in a way that I could air my own opinion in a non-confrontational way. Which again, for the record, is my beef with technical nit-picking in lieu of actual substantive critique. Cinema-Sins and their ilk are not critique; they're just stupid, and demonstrably so. I honestly don't know if your opinion is fueled by more than just a disdain for plot-holes, but you didn't give much to go on, and I wasn't going to dig further. Because, you know (or actually, you seemingly don't know), I was trying not to be an asshole. It's perfectly fine for you to not like a piece of media that I enjoyed, because we're not all duplicated automatons with identical thought patterns; not everyone loves or appreciates Citizen Kane, and that's okay. C'est la vie...
 

ImariKurumi

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I bounced off Interim Domain, N&T was good but this one is off to a stronger start. Despite my mild skepticism about all these conveniently airtight buildings. :)
Interim Domain was good but my god it was so boring. Dev is good at writing but the setting is the issue. It's essentially a slice of life disguised as post apocalyptic. I agree Toxicity got a much stronger start than N&T and i'm enjoying it so far. N&T beginning chapters were bland and meandering.

As for the air tight buildings, i'm kinda thinking chem fog is like haze. I'm no scientist but we used to get pretty bad haze here from neighboring countries burning their land for agriculture. It doesn't get into the buildings despite slightly open windows. Smell is there unless you fully close windows but there was no need to tape gaps in doors etc. The in house PSI is still much lower than outside.

If anything i'd pick on the MC's survival skills. From the top of my head, i'd stock up on duct tapes and ropes, they're extremely useful, self explanatory on their applications.
Find some utility knife, swiss army knife.
Make a makeshift weapon like a spear for defense using everyday household items like brooms, mops or metal poles or stuff you find in warehouses.
Create a homemade gas mask using scraps of cloth, duct tape, big plastic bottle for the lens & structure, small tin cans filled with activated charcoal or simple cloth filters. You can literally craft a homemade MOPP 4 gear.
Also stock up on medical supplies like sterile gauze, bandages & splints, antibiotics, antihistamines, painkillers, superglue to close wounds, epipen, powder, medical equipment like shears, scapels, tweezers.

I can go on and on. Point is, you don't need to be military or scientist background or a survival enthusiast, you just need common sense. The crisis is technically easy mode and they're in an area abundant with utility resources though not so much food.

Everything above is easily available in the offices and especially in a College/University. For medical stuff, schools definitely have an infirmary.

And lastly, again, the crisis is literally easy mode. As someone who has been in the army, i'm positive the military would have cleared a small town within the first week. Maybe dev intends to escalate it into something bigger, which i hope what happens because this crisis shouldn't take so long to get under control.
 
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lukas7533

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The concept overall is solid and characters are well written,I am really wondering what the creator had in mind:
- the fog seems to be man made - based on description I would guess something along the lines of Hydrogen Fluoride? -> the problem is the creatures made from the fog is complete non-sense, so that would make the fog supernatural
- still assuming that fog is man made - the creatures are not actual people that got turned by the fog, but another experiment entirely
- cut off radio/internet is one point where I am not sure if its direct cause of the fog or not - because I assume that not all the lines are over air, so some of the internet lines/tv lines would probably still work - assuming all of them are gone -> creates a scenario where government, or at least 3rd party is involved directly with the fog.


I agree with the fact the survival skills of characters is not exactly ideal, but IMO its understandable. IT guy, sheltered girl, carrier women and girl freshly in college. Not exactly people that you would expect to know how to act in situation like that.


I am also gonna disagree with the comment by Imari - that its easy mode. Its really not, the fog makes visibility extremely problematic - to the point one of the creatures was able to sneak on characters with zero issues, not to mention that prolonged exposure requires hours if not days of recovery - and mainly access to water. To me it seems like shitty scenario, cause even if you manage to scrape proper gear, you´re still gonna stop every 30 minutes or so for like a day or two.
As seen by one of the characters - its also seems to have compounding effect to the point where time between exposure would have to be adjusted.

As far as horror goes, situation itself suck ass, but it can be way, way worse, and I am kind of wondering if we will not get there. It seems mild so far.
 
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Dev Log dated June 22, 2025

June 2025's Public Wallpapers

Now that we've mostly shifted to TOXICity as our main focus for wallpapers, we've got to find themes that work. I have a feeling that we'll be doing a lot of stuff that won't show up the game itself. For June 2025's Public Wallpapers, we're back in the office, with both Laura and Kallie dressed up for work.


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zzzzJune_2025_Kallie.png


Cheers!! :coffee:
 

EvolutionKills

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As for the air tight buildings, i'm kinda thinking chem fog is like haze. I'm no scientist but we used to get pretty bad haze here from neighboring countries burning their land for agriculture. It doesn't get into the buildings despite slightly open windows. Smell is there unless you fully close windows but there was no need to tape gaps in doors etc. The in house PSI is still much lower than outside.
That sounds completely wrong. Now I have no idea if houses tend to be higher or lower in ambient pressure, but for keeping out the fog, they should be higher. Now I'm not an civil engineer, but I know how to build a PC. When setting up your fans and airflow, you want to have a high positive pressure inside the case. This is so that any gaps or seams where air could transfer between the inside and the outside of the case, the air should be pushing outward (and taking the dust with it). This will help keep the interior of the case cleaner, longer. The reverse, having a negative interior pressure, will cause those gaps and seams to suck air inside the case. Since these would be bypassing properly covered and filtered intakes, it will fast-track the accumulation of dust inside the case. So extrapolate this to a building, keeping in mind that air pressure wants to equalize (when you get a hole in your car tire, the tire pressure drops rather than rises), lower relative pressure inside a building will cause an indraft that will speed up the accumulation of fog inside.


Create a homemade gas mask using scraps of cloth, duct tape, big plastic bottle for the lens & structure, small tin cans filled with activated charcoal or simple cloth filters. You can literally craft a homemade MOPP 4 gear.
This is less a problem with the writing, and more probably a limitation with the Honey Select 2 assets and their aggressive production schedule. They're using facemasks, bandanas, and sunglasses for protection; because they're all part of the stock clothing items in HS2. So yeah it is nonsensical that freakin' sunglasses would be offering any protection from an airborne threat like this. But what it does do is free the team from using an actual gas-mask asset and needing to write in how they got access to something so specifically useful and quite rare. Or they're need to make or commission their own bespoke original assets for some sort of jury-rigged solution like you outlined, and then everyone would be questioning why they didn't also make a custom asset for X, Y, or Z. They're working within the limitation of the toolkit they chose, that's all.


And lastly, again, the crisis is literally easy mode. As someone who has been in the army, i'm positive the military would have cleared a small town within the first week. Maybe dev intends to escalate it into something bigger, which i hope what happens because this crisis shouldn't take so long to get under control.
Counter-Point: Blue-on-blue. Even without a monster creating super fog, with modern communications and intelligence gathering, and modern militaries still kill their own troops a non-zero percent of the time. Now if this is happening in the continental US, then any military response would almost certainly be the National Guard. Just look at contemporary evidence, NG units can't handle police duties in LA (to be fair, the military couldn't handle police duties abroad either); how well are they going to handle monster spawning super fog that attacks exposed flesh, kills equipment, and scrambles communications? How well is a military command structure going to adapt to an entirely novel and alien situation like this? The way it usually plays out is by way of massive military blunders, as commanders try and fail to adapt to the new reality; a pretty consistent trend throughout military history.
 

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That sounds completely wrong. Now I have no idea if houses tend to be higher or lower in ambient pressure, but for keeping out the fog, they should be higher. Now I'm not an civil engineer, but I know how to build a PC. When setting up your fans and airflow, you want to have a high positive pressure inside the case. This is so that any gaps or seams where air could transfer between the inside and the outside of the case, the air should be pushing outward (and taking the dust with it). This will help keep the interior of the case cleaner, longer. The reverse, having a negative interior pressure, will cause those gaps and seams to suck air inside the case. Since these would be bypassing properly covered and filtered intakes, it will fast-track the accumulation of dust inside the case. So extrapolate this to a building, keeping in mind that air pressure wants to equalize (when you get a hole in your car tire, the tire pressure drops rather than rises), lower relative pressure inside a building will cause an indraft that will speed up the accumulation of fog inside.
Equalizing interior pressure with exterior atmosphere. Logged. Commanding officer is ashore. XO Presley has the deck.

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Anteron

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That sounds completely wrong. Now I have no idea if houses tend to be higher or lower in ambient pressure, but for keeping out the fog, they should be higher. Now I'm not an civil engineer, but I know how to build a PC. When setting up your fans and airflow, you want to have a high positive pressure inside the case. This is so that any gaps or seams where air could transfer between the inside and the outside of the case, the air should be pushing outward (and taking the dust with it). This will help keep the interior of the case cleaner, longer. The reverse, having a negative interior pressure, will cause those gaps and seams to suck air inside the case. Since these would be bypassing properly covered and filtered intakes, it will fast-track the accumulation of dust inside the case. So extrapolate this to a building, keeping in mind that air pressure wants to equalize (when you get a hole in your car tire, the tire pressure drops rather than rises), lower relative pressure inside a building will cause an indraft that will speed up the accumulation of fog inside.




This is less a problem with the writing, and more probably a limitation with the Honey Select 2 assets and their aggressive production schedule. They're using facemasks, bandanas, and sunglasses for protection; because they're all part of the stock clothing items in HS2. So yeah it is nonsensical that freakin' sunglasses would be offering any protection from an airborne threat like this. But what it does do is free the team from using an actual gas-mask asset and needing to write in how they got access to something so specifically useful and quite rare. Or they're need to make or commission their own bespoke original assets for some sort of jury-rigged solution like you outlined, and then everyone would be questioning why they didn't also make a custom asset for X, Y, or Z. They're working within the limitation of the toolkit they chose, that's all.




Counter-Point: Blue-on-blue. Even without a monster creating super fog, with modern communications and intelligence gathering, and modern militaries still kill their own troops a non-zero percent of the time. Now if this is happening in the continental US, then any military response would almost certainly be the National Guard. Just look at contemporary evidence, NG units can't handle police duties in LA (to be fair, the military couldn't handle police duties abroad either); how well are they going to handle monster spawning super fog that attacks exposed flesh, kills equipment, and scrambles communications? How well is a military command structure going to adapt to an entirely novel and alien situation like this? The way it usually plays out is by way of massive military blunders, as commanders try and fail to adapt to the new reality; a pretty consistent trend throughout military history.
This wouldn't be a police duty, it would be a combination of evacuation and - well something no military has ever dealt with (poisonous fog that isn't a chemical weapon + the burned ones.) The military isn't meant to be police.
 

EvolutionKills

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This wouldn't be a police duty, it would be a combination of evacuation and - well something no military has ever dealt with (poisonous fog that isn't a chemical weapon + the burned ones.) The military isn't meant to be police.
Yeah, I know. But being police is something comparatively mundane and comprehensible, unlike combating a monster creating and machinery destroying super fog. If they can't handle being cops, what makes anyone think they can handle being whatever-the-fuck they need to be to handle this situation? It's meant to illustrate just how hilariously blasé it is to think that this whole crisis just needs a few good boots in the ass from some enlisted men to set things right.
 

Anteron

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Yeah, I know. But being police is something comparatively mundane and comprehensible, unlike combating a monster creating and machinery destroying super fog. If they can't handle being cops, what makes anyone think they can handle being whatever-the-fuck they need to be to handle this situation? It's meant to illustrate just how hilariously blasé it is to think that this whole crisis just needs a few good boots in the ass from some enlisted men to set things right.
It would be very similar to a chemical warfare environment, minus the monsters.
 

ImariKurumi

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I feel that the military gets underestimated a lot especially in the media, movies & books. I'd understand if it's a third world country but a developed nation with an established military force is way more capable than what writers make them out to be. Hell, they're usually written to be ineffective so that the plot will work.

In this scenario, it is not a global crisis nor is it a virulent & infectious epidemic like a zombie apocalypse. That makes it way easier. The National Guard and Police will likely be responsible for cordoning off the town. There are QRF(Quick Reaction Force) and RDF(Rapid Deployment Force) that will be the main body of the operations. They're usually on redcon 1-2 readiness(immediate) or 2-4hr notice to move(ntm). They can get onsite quick, especially when it's a homeland crisis. I'm not from the US so i reckon their army airborne battalions and tier 1 & 2 SOF teams will be the ones responsible. Response time would be swift, this is not merely a riot, it's an immediate national crisis.

Drones and planes will be circling the area of operations(AO) within hours to gather intel. You have satellites too. Now night vision won't work in the chem clouds but Thermals & Infrared Imaging will but with a shorter effective distance. This is only the tip of the spear. There are other more effective sensor tech unavailable to the common soldier but available to Intelligence Agencies & Specialist Units like Hyperspectral Imaging, Polarimetric Imaging & Millimeter Wave etc.

Due to how the chem clouds work in disrupting electronics, which is a point of contention as over hang power, landlines and their handphones aren't adversely effected, the drones may or may not work. Which can be combated using airtight shielding material or fairings and utilize fiber optic cables instead of radiowaves. Most military grade vehicles come with limited hardening & shielding. The specialized vehicles though come with better grade protection and resilience so they can likely work in the AO. You'd be surprised how much money is wasted by the military on what-if contingencies.

MOPP gear may not be as effective in this chem cloud so they'll use self-contained breathing gear. Visibility is the main issue, Thermals & IR might get disrupted. However, there are advanced versions that are emp hardened, with electronic resilience and component shielding mainly used by Specialized Units. These have a high likelihood of working within the AO. Goes the same for VHF/HF equipment and manpacks used for comms. Worse come to worse, you go low tech and lay lines(D cables) with an exchange, create Combat Outposts & Staging Areas to maintain a line with Bn HQ.

It's also a homeland crisis so the military's CBRN(Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear) wing will be working side by side with civilian CDC counterparts and other Subject Matter Experts.

Concurrently, the military can air drop supplies to trapped civilians & scatter flyers on evac instructions. Realistically in a setting like this, a dead town with a low population, they can afford to do multiple low-litter air evacs(lesser pax) instead of asking civilians to gather up themselves.

Speaking of air evacs, heli downwash can clear the clouds. The rotor noise can be used to gather infected to mow them down. Thinning their numbers and distraction tactics can allow insertion teams safer navigation through the town. One of many strategies available to the military. The current wars we have showcases the true human ingenuity we're capable of.

As for command, militaries have evolved a lot over the years and adapted a more flexible chain of command, allowing independent decision making within reason, with focus on leadership qualities specifically to deal with incompetence & infighting. If it is third world & developing countries, hegemonies, junta regimes, i can see this being an issue. If anything, the real hinderance will be Politics. The problem will always be Politics. But in this kind of scenario, it is in the best interest of politicians to quickly resolve the situation to maintain decorum and restore public confidence.

I'm just a regular airborne infantry so my knowledge is limited. I'm just touching the surface and do not know the full-spectrum capabilities of the military, police and government agencies. Specialized units like CBRN formations, Special Operations Command, Intelligence Agencies and their Paramilitary wing or even the Police Force and their Special Tactical Units have way more countermeasures, tools, resources that are not known to me. They are adequately prepared for a crisis of this level. That's excluding unknown compartmentalized task forces. Most of these capabilities are not transparent to the public for obvious reasons.
Moreover there are contractors in the public sector too, that have expertise in such emergencies and will be drawn to aid the military.
There's also the investigative element on the root cause and source of the crisis which will likely be spearheaded by a Joint Task Force of military and civilian counterparts. Something i have little exposure to so i can't explain much but it is part of protocol.
In the modern day setting, militaries don't operate alone, it's always a Joint Operation between the Military, Police, Gov & Civilian Agencies, various Intelligence Services and Contractors.
Contrary to what most think, the various agencies don't squabble with one another, at least not like in the movies. No matter who takes command, everyone will work together and won't deliberately shut out others or fight for control. You see a lot of friction between the different sub-factions in movies and books because the writer just wants drama.

In all honesty, a typical zombie apocalypse won't even be an issue. Unless it's an airborne Covid Zombie virus that also creates special infected that are built like a tank, runs like a cheetah, has adamantium claws, the strength of a few elephants and shoots out long range anti armor acid spits & projectiles. Or there are supernatural elements involved. Or we're invaded by Type III alien civilizations that mastered galactic travel, harnessed the power of black holes & dark matter, possesses wormhole & dimensional tech and has limited space-time manipulation capabilities.
 
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I feel that the military gets underestimated a lot especially in the media, movies & books. I'd understand if it's a third world country but a developed nation with an established military force is way more capable than what writers make them out to be. Hell, they're usually written to be ineffective so that the plot will work.

In this scenario, it is not a global crisis nor is it a virulent & infectious epidemic like a zombie apocalypse. That makes it way easier. The National Guard and Police will likely be responsible for cordoning off the town. There are QRF(Quick Reaction Force) and RDF(Rapid Deployment Force) that will be the main body of the operations. They're usually on redcon 1-2 readiness(immediate) or 2-4hr notice to move(ntm). They can get onsite quick, especially when it's a homeland crisis. I'm not from the US so i reckon their army airborne battalions and tier 1 & 2 SOF teams will be the ones responsible. Response time would be swift, this is not merely a riot, it's an immediate national crisis.

Drones and planes will be circling the area of operations(AO) within hours to gather intel. You have satellites too. Now night vision won't work in the chem clouds but Thermals & Infrared Imaging will but with a shorter effective distance. This is only the tip of the spear. There are other more effective sensor tech unavailable to the common soldier but available to Intelligence Agencies & Specialist Units like Hyperspectral Imaging, Polarimetric Imaging & Millimeter Wave etc.

Due to how the chem clouds work in disrupting electronics, which is a point of contention as over hang power, landlines and their handphones aren't adversely effected, the drones may or may not work. Which can be combated using airtight shielding material or fairings and utilize fiber optic cables instead of radiowaves. Most military grade vehicles come with limited hardening & shielding. The specialized vehicles though come with better grade protection and resilience so they can likely work in the AO. You'd be surprised how much money is wasted by the military on what-if contingencies.

MOPP gear may not be as effective in this chem cloud so they'll use self-contained breathing gear. Visibility is the main issue, Thermals & IR might get disrupted. However, there are advanced versions that are emp hardened, with electronic resilience and component shielding mainly used by Specialized Units. These have a high likelihood of working within the AO. Goes the same for VHF/HF equipment and manpacks used for comms. Worse come to worse, you go low tech and lay lines(D cables) with an exchange, create Combat Outposts & Staging Areas to maintain a line with Bn HQ.

It's also a homeland crisis so the military's CBRN(Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear) wing will be working side by side with civilian CDC counterparts and other Subject Matter Experts.

Concurrently, the military can air drop supplies to trapped civilians & scatter flyers on evac instructions. Realistically in a setting like this, a dead town with a low population, they can afford to do multiple low-litter air evacs(lesser pax) instead of asking civilians to gather up themselves.

Speaking of air evacs, heli downwash can clear the clouds. The rotor noise can be used to gather infected to mow them down. Thinning their numbers and distraction tactics can allow insertion teams safer navigation through the town. One of many strategies available to the military. The current wars we have showcases the true human ingenuity we're capable of.

As for command, militaries have evolved a lot over the years and adapted a more flexible chain of command, allowing independent decision making within reason, with focus on leadership qualities specifically to deal with incompetence & infighting. If it is third world & developing countries, hegemonies, junta regimes, i can see this being an issue. If anything, the real hinderance will be Politics. The problem will always be Politics. But in this kind of scenario, it is in the best interest of politicians to quickly resolve the situation to maintain decorum and restore public confidence.

I'm just a regular airborne infantry so my knowledge is limited. I'm just touching the surface and do not know the full-spectrum capabilities of the military, police and government agencies. Specialized units like CBRN formations, Special Operations Command, Intelligence Agencies and their Paramilitary wing or even the Police Force and their Special Tactical Units have way more countermeasures, tools, resources that are not known to me. They are adequately prepared for a crisis of this level. That's excluding unknown compartmentalized task forces. Most of these capabilities are not transparent to the public for obvious reasons.
Moreover there are contractors in the public sector too, that have expertise in such emergencies and will be drawn to aid the military.
There's also the investigative element on the root cause and source of the crisis which will likely be spearheaded by a Joint Task Force of military and civilian counterparts. Something i have little exposure to so i can't explain much but it is part of protocol.
In the modern day setting, militaries don't operate alone, it's always a Joint Operation between the Military, Police, Gov & Civilian Agencies, various Intelligence Services and Contractors.
Contrary to what most think, the various agencies don't squabble with one another, at least not like in the movies. No matter who takes command, everyone will work together and won't deliberately shut out others or fight for control. You see a lot of friction between the different sub-factions in movies and books because the writer just wants drama.

In all honesty, a typical zombie apocalypse won't even be an issue. Unless it's an airborne Covid Zombie virus that also creates special infected that are built like a tank, runs like a cheetah, has adamantium claws, the strength of a few elephants and shoots out long range anti armor acid spits & projectiles. Or there are supernatural elements involved. Or we're invaded by Type III alien civilizations that mastered galactic travel, harnessed the power of black holes & dark matter, possesses wormhole & dimensional tech and has limited space-time manipulation capabilities.
That's...that's a lot. I don't even know where to begin.

I think the military is mishandled in a lot of media because if it was accurate, a lot of the drama and suspense would be removed and thus less popular overall.
 

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That's...that's a lot. I don't even know where to begin.

I think the military is mishandled in a lot of media because if it was accurate, a lot of the drama and suspense would be removed and thus less popular overall.
And often in fiction the leaders end up being evil.
 
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I feel that the military gets underestimated a lot especially in the media, movies & books. I'd understand if it's a third world country but a developed nation with an established military force is way more capable than what writers make them out to be. Hell, they're usually written to be ineffective so that the plot will work.

In this scenario, it is not a global crisis nor is it a virulent & infectious epidemic like a zombie apocalypse. That makes it way easier. The National Guard and Police will likely be responsible for cordoning off the town. There are QRF(Quick Reaction Force) and RDF(Rapid Deployment Force) that will be the main body of the operations. They're usually on redcon 1-2 readiness(immediate) or 2-4hr notice to move(ntm). They can get onsite quick, especially when it's a homeland crisis. I'm not from the US so i reckon their army airborne battalions and tier 1 & 2 SOF teams will be the ones responsible. Response time would be swift, this is not merely a riot, it's an immediate national crisis.

Drones and planes will be circling the area of operations(AO) within hours to gather intel. You have satellites too. Now night vision won't work in the chem clouds but Thermals & Infrared Imaging will but with a shorter effective distance. This is only the tip of the spear. There are other more effective sensor tech unavailable to the common soldier but available to Intelligence Agencies & Specialist Units like Hyperspectral Imaging, Polarimetric Imaging & Millimeter Wave etc.

Due to how the chem clouds work in disrupting electronics, which is a point of contention as over hang power, landlines and their handphones aren't adversely effected, the drones may or may not work. Which can be combated using airtight shielding material or fairings and utilize fiber optic cables instead of radiowaves. Most military grade vehicles come with limited hardening & shielding. The specialized vehicles though come with better grade protection and resilience so they can likely work in the AO. You'd be surprised how much money is wasted by the military on what-if contingencies.

MOPP gear may not be as effective in this chem cloud so they'll use self-contained breathing gear. Visibility is the main issue, Thermals & IR might get disrupted. However, there are advanced versions that are emp hardened, with electronic resilience and component shielding mainly used by Specialized Units. These have a high likelihood of working within the AO. Goes the same for VHF/HF equipment and manpacks used for comms. Worse come to worse, you go low tech and lay lines(D cables) with an exchange, create Combat Outposts & Staging Areas to maintain a line with Bn HQ.

It's also a homeland crisis so the military's CBRN(Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear) wing will be working side by side with civilian CDC counterparts and other Subject Matter Experts.

Concurrently, the military can air drop supplies to trapped civilians & scatter flyers on evac instructions. Realistically in a setting like this, a dead town with a low population, they can afford to do multiple low-litter air evacs(lesser pax) instead of asking civilians to gather up themselves.

Speaking of air evacs, heli downwash can clear the clouds. The rotor noise can be used to gather infected to mow them down. Thinning their numbers and distraction tactics can allow insertion teams safer navigation through the town. One of many strategies available to the military. The current wars we have showcases the true human ingenuity we're capable of.

As for command, militaries have evolved a lot over the years and adapted a more flexible chain of command, allowing independent decision making within reason, with focus on leadership qualities specifically to deal with incompetence & infighting. If it is third world & developing countries, hegemonies, junta regimes, i can see this being an issue. If anything, the real hinderance will be Politics. The problem will always be Politics. But in this kind of scenario, it is in the best interest of politicians to quickly resolve the situation to maintain decorum and restore public confidence.

I'm just a regular airborne infantry so my knowledge is limited. I'm just touching the surface and do not know the full-spectrum capabilities of the military, police and government agencies. Specialized units like CBRN formations, Special Operations Command, Intelligence Agencies and their Paramilitary wing or even the Police Force and their Special Tactical Units have way more countermeasures, tools, resources that are not known to me. They are adequately prepared for a crisis of this level. That's excluding unknown compartmentalized task forces. Most of these capabilities are not transparent to the public for obvious reasons.
Moreover there are contractors in the public sector too, that have expertise in such emergencies and will be drawn to aid the military.
There's also the investigative element on the root cause and source of the crisis which will likely be spearheaded by a Joint Task Force of military and civilian counterparts. Something i have little exposure to so i can't explain much but it is part of protocol.
In the modern day setting, militaries don't operate alone, it's always a Joint Operation between the Military, Police, Gov & Civilian Agencies, various Intelligence Services and Contractors.
Contrary to what most think, the various agencies don't squabble with one another, at least not like in the movies. No matter who takes command, everyone will work together and won't deliberately shut out others or fight for control. You see a lot of friction between the different sub-factions in movies and books because the writer just wants drama.

In all honesty, a typical zombie apocalypse won't even be an issue. Unless it's an airborne Covid Zombie virus that also creates special infected that are built like a tank, runs like a cheetah, has adamantium claws, the strength of a few elephants and shoots out long range anti armor acid spits & projectiles. Or there are supernatural elements involved. Or we're invaded by Type III alien civilizations that mastered galactic travel, harnessed the power of black holes & dark matter, possesses wormhole & dimensional tech and has limited space-time manipulation capabilities.
I'm going with the supernatural origins.

The very first rev gave us what I think is a news story presaging the trouble that has now enveloped this community (and spread beyond it - to what degree we currently don't know).

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While the military capabilities you mentioned are all viable for a 'normal' world emergency, we don't know what laws of physics/chemistry/biology etc. have been bent/superseded in the area affected by this fog.

We know that the fog impacts the electromagnetic spectrum (TV reception) and that the fog seems to have the capability to mutate those with far too much exposure to it, turning them into monsters.

I think there are other fog effects that are part of the story and still hidden from us due to our lack of awareness of what is going on around us or the cumulative effect of the fog on humans/burned ones.

Do some of the burned ones mutate into something more dangerous due to continuing exposure to the fog or proximity to the archaeological dig, for example?

I believe that the lack of rescue more than a week into the disaster means that the early iterations of disaster relief and rescue have not worked and the military/scientists are working on plan B/C.

We are still pretty early in the story, and I am looking forward to seeing what other surprises we are going to encounter as our small band of survivors tries to move across campus and later leaving the campus to try to reach the hospital.

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

PaxHadrian17

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Dev Log dated June 29, 2025

TOXICity 0.08.0 update #1

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Well, the end of June is nearing, so we'd best get this update out. TOXICity 0.08.0 is in full development. We have a good chunk of the writing and shooting already in a rough, alpha state.
On the topic of changes in design philosophy: Over the years, we've adjusted how we tackle the pursuit and continuation of relationships in our titles. Back in N&T, we received feedback that players who were avoiding Naomi didn't like that she constantly threw herself at you. There'd always been a plan to shut her down towards the end, resulting in cutting off her romantic path. And, truthfully, it was in character that she'd keep trying. So, for TID, we implemented a Lover Flag system where you were usually given a choice to shut down that content going forward.
For TOXICity, there's something along those lines, but more nuanced, based on both how the story flows and how your relationships go. You may have already seen that if you put some distance between yourself and Laura, intimacy ceases to be an option with her. For others, who aren't looking for attachment, you may have to shut them down regularly for them to get the point until later in the story.
And for those who haven't seen it posted on social media, we finally received some sample stickers from our initial story launch over at . I'd order some coffee mugs, but I really need to ditch some of the ones I already have.


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Thanks for your interest,
-Kinderfeld


Cheers!! :coffee:
 

Anteron

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Now & Then set a very high bar. Only bad part was some things lead to a bad end without any reason to think they would (ie go left vs go right.)
 
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Meiri

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Now & Then set a very high bar. Only bad part was some things lead to a bad end without any reason to think they would (ie go left vs go right.)
I do like Now & Then but I think I prefer Toxicity, it has higher potential and I like that it has Silent Hill vibes.
 
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