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She didn't want him to come because he'd be forced to just stand and wait outside while she talked to Eve and he already gets exposed to the fog way too much. They went about it really poorly but there's no reason to make it more than it is.
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She didn't want him to come because he'd be forced to just stand and wait outside while she talked to Eve and he already gets exposed to the fog way too much. They went about it really poorly but there's no reason to make it more than it is.
Walter Victor
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Exactly. I think that some people are not reading the texts, but are playing with one finger on the <ctrl> button until the good parts come. Others haven't even played the release yet, and are only going by what the inattentive players have been saying.
Of course they could have told the MC and gone, but they knew that he would have gone with them for protection, and stood outside in the fog, worsening his health, while they haggled with Eve. That's what they were trying to avoid. There was never a thought in their minds that the MC was some kind of a controlling dictator, only that he was too protective for his own good - which he is.
It was a desperate attempt, that didn't work and pissed him off, but they are in a desperate situation, so it was worth the attempt. Had it worked, they would have allied Eve immediately. As it was, it was the catalyst that had Eve come to them. So, in a sense... it did work!
Kallie was the only person who got the shitty end of the stick over what happened. The MC felt betrayed, but he'll survive; Laura got yelled at, but she'll survive; Shelley's in as good a place as she's been since we met her; Kallie, however, feels like she betrayed the MC and she's devastated... and we'll have to wait to see how that plays out.
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With all the issues our guy has to deal with each of the ladies, he might decide to turn gay at the end of the game.
Kind of a brain dump on the MC/Laura thing--not with 0.12 complete yet, but it looks like we're heading for a repeat of previous behaviors:
I've been disappointed in Laura for a while. I'd expected, given her age, life experience, and what MC had to say about her toward the beginning, that she'd be the other adult in the room--someone MC could depend on for ideas and for help, if not truly a partner then at least a second-in-command. That's how she sees herself, that's how Kallie sees her, and that's even (to a degree) the way MC sees her. But it just isn't the case. OK, I won't blame her, exactly, for her mental breakdown, but it still happened. She's shown herself to be impulsive. It seems to come from a good place--she isn't malicious--but it's often ill-considered, and often results in her putting others at additional, and unnecessary, risk.
Meanwhile, MC is pretty much the same MC as in N&T. Caring, protective, self-sacrificing, all of which are good qualities--he's a genuinely good man, which is a big part of what gets him the ladies. But as is often the case, positive traits become negatives when carried too far, and that's where MC is (in both games)--he's far too self-sacrificing for his own good. And he insists on being so, even when they rightly explain that if he works himself to death, he isn't helping them. Ten out of ten for putting your people first, but minus several million for clear thinking. He persists in this course of action after Kallie calls him out for it, resolving, not to stop, but to better hide it from her. So, for Laura/Kallie/Shelley (or any combination of them) to believe they have to go behind MC's back for his own good doesn't seem too out-of-place.
So, you have two stubborn characters, both of whom doing their best to do what's best for the group as a whole, who often don't agree on what's best for the group as a whole. And it's pretty common for each of them to have pretty bad ideas in this regard. But apparently neither of them is able to actually talk through the disagreements and reach a resolution, so they both instead just do whatever they feel like doing. Unsurprisingly, this often leads to bad outcomes.
So, why the "hate" (or anger, or frustration, or disappointment, or whatever) for Laura? I see two big reasons: (1) Laura's ideas are more bad, more often, than MC's; and (2) since we play as MC, we identify with MC--others' faults are always worse than our own.
I've been disappointed in Laura for a while. I'd expected, given her age, life experience, and what MC had to say about her toward the beginning, that she'd be the other adult in the room--someone MC could depend on for ideas and for help, if not truly a partner then at least a second-in-command. That's how she sees herself, that's how Kallie sees her, and that's even (to a degree) the way MC sees her. But it just isn't the case. OK, I won't blame her, exactly, for her mental breakdown, but it still happened. She's shown herself to be impulsive. It seems to come from a good place--she isn't malicious--but it's often ill-considered, and often results in her putting others at additional, and unnecessary, risk.
Meanwhile, MC is pretty much the same MC as in N&T. Caring, protective, self-sacrificing, all of which are good qualities--he's a genuinely good man, which is a big part of what gets him the ladies. But as is often the case, positive traits become negatives when carried too far, and that's where MC is (in both games)--he's far too self-sacrificing for his own good. And he insists on being so, even when they rightly explain that if he works himself to death, he isn't helping them. Ten out of ten for putting your people first, but minus several million for clear thinking. He persists in this course of action after Kallie calls him out for it, resolving, not to stop, but to better hide it from her. So, for Laura/Kallie/Shelley (or any combination of them) to believe they have to go behind MC's back for his own good doesn't seem too out-of-place.
So, you have two stubborn characters, both of whom doing their best to do what's best for the group as a whole, who often don't agree on what's best for the group as a whole. And it's pretty common for each of them to have pretty bad ideas in this regard. But apparently neither of them is able to actually talk through the disagreements and reach a resolution, so they both instead just do whatever they feel like doing. Unsurprisingly, this often leads to bad outcomes.
So, why the "hate" (or anger, or frustration, or disappointment, or whatever) for Laura? I see two big reasons: (1) Laura's ideas are more bad, more often, than MC's; and (2) since we play as MC, we identify with MC--others' faults are always worse than our own.
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Agree those 2 reasons are the main ones but there is also another "tiny" reason, prejudice, it is easier in most of our societies to "blame" and fault women than men, and this is coming from a man/guy but unlike many I can read in between the lines lol.
Walter Victor
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WHAT!? Do you mean that there are misogynists here on F95? I'm shocked... just shocked.
By the way, with some games here, no reading between lines is necessary.
Eh, probably, but there's enough objective reason to be annoyed with her that I don't know how big of a factor that is.
pitao
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It is the least of the reasons, I agree with all or most you said on your post. If we had Laura point of view probably we would understand better some of her actions, Kinderfeld writes some thoughts of other characters (color coded even) so we empathize with them better but not enough to the point of understand all the train of thought and the reason behind their actions.
But I understood why Laura acted like she did in this last chapter and I don't blame her totally, the blame is shared by the MC also because he wants to handle everything and Laura was wrong by hiding it but specially for put Kallie on it too, this last thing is what Laura shouldn't have done in my view.
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I don't really hate any character in this game in Laura's case there's a bit of disappointment, specially these last few chapters we are seeing the worst parts of her personality show up, and so far she's not looking like she will try to improve either.
Her decision to visit Eve, while risky, it was probably the less stupid decision she's made so far, in fact had she discussed this with the group I think they could have reached some kind of consensus.
To me her major problems this last chapter the first one is not being discussed enough is to try to have sex with the MC behind Kallie's back after everything that's happened so far feels like betrayal, I thought after all our fighting we would first speak with Kallie and try to be open about everything first but the way they've handled it I think it's going to blow in their faces when Kallie inevitably finds out because honestly it's starting to look like betrayal from both MC and Laura.
The other thing that bothered me was again involving Kallie in her plans this way, first because by this point she should know Kallie never says no, second because Laura knows of her relationship with the MC and in a way she's exploiting that, and she should know this will hurt them both because there was no way they leave and comeback without him finding out...
Her decision to visit Eve, while risky, it was probably the less stupid decision she's made so far, in fact had she discussed this with the group I think they could have reached some kind of consensus.
To me her major problems this last chapter the first one is not being discussed enough is to try to have sex with the MC behind Kallie's back after everything that's happened so far feels like betrayal, I thought after all our fighting we would first speak with Kallie and try to be open about everything first but the way they've handled it I think it's going to blow in their faces when Kallie inevitably finds out because honestly it's starting to look like betrayal from both MC and Laura.
The other thing that bothered me was again involving Kallie in her plans this way, first because by this point she should know Kallie never says no, second because Laura knows of her relationship with the MC and in a way she's exploiting that, and she should know this will hurt them both because there was no way they leave and comeback without him finding out...
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"behind Kallie's back" suggests specific intent to hide it from Kallie, as opposed to being (slightly) discreet about it at all, so I'm not sure I'd agree with that characterization. But still, it's troubling. Kallie's the only one who doesn't know (as of mid-0.12, anyway) MC has been, or is, with anyone else (unless she's figured it out without us seeing it, which doesn't seem likely), and she has easily the strongest feelings for MC. Shelley's growing feelings, and maybe she'll get less OK with MC being with the others, but for now she's OK with it. Laura is, well, who the hell knows--she certainly doesn't.
So even if I say Laura in the bathroom with MC is trying to be (kind of) discreet, as opposed to specifically go behind Kallie's back, it's still a bad look. But where does that leave Shelley, then? Shelley knows, at least as well as Laura, how Kallie feels about MC (we don't see her talk with Kallie about this specifically, but her intuition is sound). Shelley doesn't even have the "make-up sex" aspect. Shelley knows Kallie is deep in love with MC, and specifically wants MC to make love with her--not fuck her, not have sex with her, make love. Maybe Shelley comes out better in Kallie's eyes because the two of them haven't discussed it, but given what we know Shelley knows, I'd say she's at least equally blameworthy on this question.
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Yes I agree that Shelley has part of the blame and I imagine when this all blows she will be affected as well although in her case her mental makes her a bit more sympathetic but not free of blame, but Laura was specially angry when she found out about Kallie so for her to just follow her feelings now and try to have sex with him feels wrong I really think they are setting this up for Kallie to find out the worst possible way...
Walter Victor
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Maybe at the end of the game, not only is there not a harem, but nobody is even talking to anybody else and they all go off on their separate ways, never to meet again.
I blame Eve for all this drama! If she hadn't been so hostile, none of this drama would have happened. It's all her fault. /sarcasm
I blame Eve for all this drama! If she hadn't been so hostile, none of this drama would have happened. It's all her fault. /sarcasm
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Oh man. What a game this one was. I finally got around to playing this. I made the right decision to wait and give this game it's own time. I think I started playing around 9pm yesterday and basically finished it at 9pm today. Obviously taking breaks for sleep and the holidays. If not, I probably would've been glued to my screen the entire time.
So to start. I'll go ahead and let it be known that I love disaster movies and series just as much as I love zombies. And this game definitely delivered on that aspect. The fog functions terrifically and the cast can't just be reckless, even though some are. Especially with it corrosive like behavior against humans and fucks with their breathing. It's also something that can't be completely avoided by staying inside. Because you'll eventually run out of food and supplies. Possibly even breathable air, maybe, if it continues to seep in from the outside overtime. Though, that depends on how long this fog will last. It seems to be supernatural in nature. But, the usage is pretty good.
With that out of the way. The game is definitely more enjoyable than the Interim Domain for me. And in some ways, I enjoy it as much, if not slightly more than Now and Then. I would even give the edge to Toxicity in terms of the persistent danger. The fog can be conquered by additional clothing and water but it's an ever present threat compared to the zombies or humans in Now and Then. They're right in the thick of it and can't just relocate whenever they want. Especially when most forms of transportation degrade rapidly and their vision is impaired. That said, the Burned ones and Witches are kind of overkill. I like that it keeps them on their toes and makes it much harder for them to just rush through everything while out in the fog. But at the same time, I feel like the fog already accomplish this enough that monsters are slightly unnecessary. But I suppose it works to keep people who are wearing proper gear in check.
Now on to the love interests. I would say they're decent, but nothing too crazy for me. It's my first time playing though, so that could just be from the overload of information I got. I like Laura, but she's got some issues. I can understand why earlier on, but it got a bit much later. So for her, I'm a bit of a wait and see. Kallie on the other hand is a bit too docile for my liking. Her backstory explains why she's like that though. From being an introvert to her fiancé grooming her. That said, I do like her more than Laura, currently. Then there's Shelley. Who I like the most. Followed by Eve, who I need to see more of before deciding. But so far, there hasn't been that disruptive love interest yet. A Sydney/Alice type character from N&T who surpass the other love interests by a lot for me. Though, I guess Shelley kind of counts as this. But she's not really that far ahead of Kallie. Hopefully Eve develops well, or there's more than 4 love interests.
What else? Oh, the story itself, beyond the fog, is great. It had me hooked, obviously. The MC is a bit of a mixed bag with some of his decisions, but I prefer it that way. That said. Sadly, I'm going to suffer going forward. I got to experience 12 Chapters of this game with no interruptions. Now though, I'm up to the current content and the wait for each chapter is going to be rough. I'm tempted to skip several updates but I got a taste of the game now. So I can't go back. If it wasn't obvious, I'm looking forward to the next chapters. I would go replay the game, but I need to let myself digest the content I just played through and then come back at a later date.
So to start. I'll go ahead and let it be known that I love disaster movies and series just as much as I love zombies. And this game definitely delivered on that aspect. The fog functions terrifically and the cast can't just be reckless, even though some are. Especially with it corrosive like behavior against humans and fucks with their breathing. It's also something that can't be completely avoided by staying inside. Because you'll eventually run out of food and supplies. Possibly even breathable air, maybe, if it continues to seep in from the outside overtime. Though, that depends on how long this fog will last. It seems to be supernatural in nature. But, the usage is pretty good.
With that out of the way. The game is definitely more enjoyable than the Interim Domain for me. And in some ways, I enjoy it as much, if not slightly more than Now and Then. I would even give the edge to Toxicity in terms of the persistent danger. The fog can be conquered by additional clothing and water but it's an ever present threat compared to the zombies or humans in Now and Then. They're right in the thick of it and can't just relocate whenever they want. Especially when most forms of transportation degrade rapidly and their vision is impaired. That said, the Burned ones and Witches are kind of overkill. I like that it keeps them on their toes and makes it much harder for them to just rush through everything while out in the fog. But at the same time, I feel like the fog already accomplish this enough that monsters are slightly unnecessary. But I suppose it works to keep people who are wearing proper gear in check.
Now on to the love interests. I would say they're decent, but nothing too crazy for me. It's my first time playing though, so that could just be from the overload of information I got. I like Laura, but she's got some issues. I can understand why earlier on, but it got a bit much later. So for her, I'm a bit of a wait and see. Kallie on the other hand is a bit too docile for my liking. Her backstory explains why she's like that though. From being an introvert to her fiancé grooming her. That said, I do like her more than Laura, currently. Then there's Shelley. Who I like the most. Followed by Eve, who I need to see more of before deciding. But so far, there hasn't been that disruptive love interest yet. A Sydney/Alice type character from N&T who surpass the other love interests by a lot for me. Though, I guess Shelley kind of counts as this. But she's not really that far ahead of Kallie. Hopefully Eve develops well, or there's more than 4 love interests.
What else? Oh, the story itself, beyond the fog, is great. It had me hooked, obviously. The MC is a bit of a mixed bag with some of his decisions, but I prefer it that way. That said. Sadly, I'm going to suffer going forward. I got to experience 12 Chapters of this game with no interruptions. Now though, I'm up to the current content and the wait for each chapter is going to be rough. I'm tempted to skip several updates but I got a taste of the game now. So I can't go back. If it wasn't obvious, I'm looking forward to the next chapters. I would go replay the game, but I need to let myself digest the content I just played through and then come back at a later date.