VN Ren'Py ToxiCity [v0.12.0] [ILSProductions]

[lorkdubo]

See, that's the issue.

He's going towards the sound of the shotgun to "evaluate" while not knowing if said sound attracted anything else. While he's watching from wherever he ends up, he doesn't know if anything is following up or what else is around.

It's all well and good saying he'll be a safe distance from the action when he doesn't know what is surrounding that action.

He can't see any great distance due to the fog and no clue when the fog will thicken again.

In the confines of the story with plot armour he'll be fine but in a real situation there is a very real chance he'd be fucked.

It's a stupid idea regardless of how it's spun. It's risky and it puts him and his whole group in danger for no reason.

Gotta save the waifu to get laifu. Previous action was a bit stupid, this one is more okay given that we are in a "story" and thus if we hear a sound, we need to know what's happening as readers.

 

[Avaron1974]

Well, what we DO know is that a major event has happened that could easily have an effect on our group. The odds of someone/something else being attracted to the sound are an order of magnitude less than the odds that he can do something good and/or something will improve their situation. He needs to accept those odds.

That's what he intends to find out.

Oh come on. He can see at least 20 meters under current conditions. Do you really want him to run away because the fog might thicken. Jeez, is there any risk you would have him take? Any at all?

You're right. He might well wind up being fucked. But doing anything or doing nothing might also wind up with him being fucked. Hell, if your other supposition is correct that something else might be attracted by the shotgun blast, he might get ambushed on the way back! There are dangers no matter what he does or which way he goes.

The reason is to possibly help a potential ally in need. That should be enough to move him forward, if pure humanity and empathy weren't enough.

By the way, you've gone to great lengths to put garage-lady in a bad light, even going so far as to calling her a 'bitch' on several occasions. You also seem to think that said 'bitch' is trigger-happy. Well, if she were trigger-happy, they'd all be dead by now. Not only was she not trigger-happy, but she gave the MC directions to a safe house to rest and recuperate, and even told him about the situation concerning the surrounding houses. Yeah! Quite the trigger-happy bitch, that one.

Perhaps you should think twice before throwing around pejoratives just to emphasize your argument.

I called her a bitch once because she pulled a shotgun and threatened to kill the group. What should I do, swoon and tell her what a sweet little angel she is?

I also said she'd be trigger happy NOW, read properly before quoting me hun. She's in enough danger to risk firing a loud shotgun so obvious fight or flight reaction which will send anyone twitchy in that situation. Common sense.

I don't know her. My only interaction with her is being held at gunpoint and threatened. The only reason she pointed out the house was because one of the group collapsed and she wanted to get rid of them, it wasn't an act of friendship. She's hardly given herself a shining introduction.

If he heard her gunfire then it stands to reason she heard Laura's and I very highly doubt she came running to see if they needed help.

Unless i'm missing a very hidden scene where she acts super friendly and everyone instantly became best buds with her i'm still seeing no actual reason why putting himself and the 3 girls he's supposed to protecting in danger is a good idea.

As for a major event effecting the group, it really doesn't.

It took them 30 or so minutes to get to the house from the garage so whatever is happening there does not effect them, especially when they will be moving on again shortly.

Gaining a potential ally isn't really a bonus when resources are already stretched so thing they are skipping meals. If there is barely enough food for 4 then having a 5th mouth to feed isn't quite a bonus.

You ask would I want him to take any risks?

No, what a silly question. The situation is already deadly enough without increasing that risk for everyone.

You yourself pointed out that "he is the hero", except you seem to have missed the fact he's close to breaking point. He's had panic attacks and is close to snapping, it's been highlighted enough times. He's barely holding himself together and now he's off to put himself in another situation.

I'll repeat for the sake of it or we'll keep arguing in circles. There is nothing, not a single point, that could be made that will change my mind about this being a ridiculously stupid idea.

 

[Walter Victor]

thus if we hear a sound, we need to know what's happening as readers

Actually, the MC also needs to know what's happening.

Try this scenario: there is a NEW danger that wipes out garage-lady, and they all need to get the hell out of the house they're staying in ASAP!

As far as the game goes, the developer has hinted that there is another danger greater than witches.

 

[Walter Victor]

I'll repeat for the sake of it or we'll keep arguing in circles. There is nothing, not a single point, that could be made that will change my mind about this being a ridiculously stupid idea

Well then, I'll just say I completely disagree with just about everything you wrote. But I'm not going to continue beating my head against a stone wall, since nothing will ever move you from your position.

Enjoy the game if you can.

 

[e6mill]

I'll repeat for the sake of it or we'll keep arguing in circles. There is nothing, not a single point, that could be made that will change my mind about this being a ridiculously stupid idea.

Then we don't agree. Oh darn.
Have a good rest of your day.

 

[Anteron]

Actually, the MC also needs to know what's happening.

Try this scenario: there is a NEW danger that wipes out garage-lady, and they all need to get the hell out of the house they're staying in ASAP!

As far as the game goes, the developer has hinted that there is another danger greater than witches.

Whatever (or whoever) caused the disaster in the first place?

 

[Walter Victor]

Whatever (or whoever) caused the disaster in the first place?

Your guess is as good as mine. We probably won't find out until near the end of the game.

Didn't someone point out that there was a TV announcement very early in the game (before the fog rolled in) of a burial site discovery? Something like that. It could well be a supercharged Poltergeist movie situation, only with real monsters instead of ghosts.

Or it could be some kind of inter-dimensional rupture.

In the movie, The Mist, we never did find out what had caused all the monsters to appear. The mist just dissipated and the army moved in. That could happen here too, but I don't really believe that.

Anyone ever read the Dean Koonz novel, Midnight? That involved a scientific experiment gone terribly wrong. That could well be what happened here.

There are a couple of possibilities. Anyone here could suggest a cause and remedy. Posters should give it a try.

 

[Coder62]

Bit harsh to describe the protag in TID as a moron too imho. I take issue with the other 2 MC's to some degree, but especially TID lol.

 

[Maviarab]

Bit harsh to describe the protag in TID as a moron too imho. I take issue with the other 2 MC's to some degree, but especially TID lol.

He's the best of three admittedly yes.

 

[Ottoeight]

So, a town being covered in a toxic mist that turns people into monsters and has pretty much wiped out most of it's population doesn't seem depressing to you?

The Interim Domain is depressing. And dull.

This game is not depressing: it's interesting and, most of all, its sex scene are intimate and hot. The main characters care for one another, and this is the only thing that counts in this story, after all.

How could I be upset and depressed by what happens in this game?

Nothing really bad is going to happen to MC and the main girls - every problem is transient only, they will survive for sure - and who really cares whether some totally pointless random character dies? it should be clear that no human character except MC and LIs counts by now: other characters are simply fillers.

What about witches and monsters and the fog that killed people, you say. Why should they upset or depress me? they don't exist: it's just formulaic non-realistic fiction stuff - How could they depress me?
Fiction like "A clockwork orange" does upset me, because Alex and his droogs do really exist. Zombies, witches, monsters, burned ones and whatever don't.

 

[Ottoeight]

Still getting no monster pussy...

My first thought when I saw this new shotgun woman. -> Too thicc, I hope she dies fast so that we can add her hot teen daughters into the harem. We might be on right track for that scenario based on the cliffhanger.

Deal with it.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Your guess is as good as mine. We probably won't find out until near the end of the game.

Didn't someone point out that there was a TV announcement very early in the game (before the fog rolled in) of a burial site discovery? Something like that. It could well be a supercharged Poltergeist movie situation, only with real monsters instead of ghosts.

Or it could be some kind of inter-dimensional rupture.

In the movie, The Mist, we never did find out what had caused all the monsters to appear. The mist just dissipated and the army moved in. That could happen here too, but I don't really believe that.

Anyone ever read the Dean Koonz novel, Midnight? That involved a scientific experiment gone terribly wrong. That could well be what happened here.

There are a couple of possibilities. Anyone here could suggest a cause and remedy. Posters should give it a try.

I posted about it 2x, the latest was when we were all debating the origin of this disaster (TV story in the background):



I'm hoping for more easter eggs to give us clues about the origin/area of effect/best way out.

Perhaps the new woman (Miss Shotgun) can provide some update on the disaster - and whether or not trying for the hospital and evac from there is still a good idea.

Cheers!!

 

[Netgear]

The Interim Domain is depressing. And dull.

Oh! boy, better seeing this than being blind, but i don't agree with you.
TID was and is a good VN in it's genre, so you might not like the genre, and it's ok, but you can't say it was dull, because i played it multiple of time and i didn't find it dull and i'm sure i'm not alone.

 

[Raziel_8]

The reason is to possibly help a potential ally in need. That should be enough to move him forward, if pure humanity and empathy weren't enough.

I agree with Ava on the point that following that shot is certainly not a good idea and it is dangerous, far more than going back.
Not something i would ever even consider under different circumstances.

A potential ally ? I mean, yeah we know she's a LI, the characters certainly do not.
Considering how they meet, i'd say taking risks for that possibility is not a good idea, neither out of empathy, sorry but the MC has his group to worry about, playing hero is a real bad idea and he should avoid taking risks when possible.

That being said, i do share your point that the MC needs to do something to for the survival of his group.
As they are they won't make it, their health is bad, they didn't get far and it's only getting worse. So far, that girl is the best (and only) source which could have either access or knowledge where they could get better gear.
Like much needed gas-masks, which would drastically increase their chance of survival, be it scavenging, better health or getting out of the city. Ideally some guns and ammo, but the chance to get gas-masks alone is something i would consider worth taking a risk for.

By the way, you've gone to great lengths to put garage-lady in a bad light, even going so far as to calling her a 'bitch' on several occasions. You also seem to think that said 'bitch' is trigger-happy.

Hm, i think the reaction of her was rather understandable, especially if she had the pleasure of meeting other survivors who weren't as friendly. Certainly not a bitch, otherewise she wouldn't have helped them with the house and i doubt she has nefarious plans for them.

You're right. He might well wind up being fucked. But doing anything or doing nothing might also wind up with him being fucked. Hell, if your other supposition is correct that something else might be attracted by the shotgun blast, he might get ambushed on the way back! There are dangers no matter what he does or which way he goes.

True, every time setting a foot out of the house can be deadly. Still, they should minimize danger when possible, not doing things like Laura and the MC did this ep, should kinda be common sense, or self preservation.

As for the noise, i think we can rule out the burned ones being attracted to it, if they don't react to a car moving by less then a meter away i don't think a gunshot would attract them. The witches, my guess is they can hear, but they strike me more as ambush predators which try to lure their prey to them...that is just a guess of course.
Still, it's a risk i would take.

 

[Netgear]

I agree with Ava on the point that following that shot is certainly not a good idea and it is dangerous, far more than going back.
Not something i would ever even consider under different circumstances.

A potential ally ? I mean, yeah we know she's a LI, the characters certainly do not.
Considering how they meet, i'd say taking risks for that possibility is not a good idea, neither out of empathy, sorry but the MC has his group to worry about, playing hero is a real bad idea and he should avoid taking risks when possible.

That being said, i do share your point that the MC needs to do something to for the survival of his group.
As they are they won't make it, their health is bad, they didn't get far and it's only getting worse. So far, that girl is the best (and only) source which could have either access or knowledge where they could get better gear.
Like much needed gas-masks, which would drastically increase their chance of survival, be it scavenging, better health or getting out of the city. Ideally some guns and ammo, but the chance to get gas-masks alone is something i would consider worth taking a risk for.

Hm, i think the reaction of her was rather understandable, especially if she had the pleasure of meeting other survivors who weren't as friendly. Certainly not a bitch, otherewise she wouldn't have helped them with the house and i doubt she has nefarious plans for them.

True, every time setting a foot out of the house can be deadly. Still, they should minimize danger when possible, not doing things like Laura and the MC did this ep, should kinda be common sense, or self preservation.

As for the noise, i think we can rule out the burned ones being attracted to it, if they don't react to a car moving by less then a meter away i don't think a gunshot would attract them. The witches, my guess is they can hear, but they strike me more as ambush predators which try to lure their prey to them...that is just a guess of course.
Still, it's a risk i would take.

Hi, hi, hi! Your comment look like a government's document redacted for a journalist, there's more unreadable text then readable text.

 

[pitao]

Oh! boy, better seeing this than being blind, but i don't agree with you.
TID was and is a good VN in it's genre, so you might not like the genre, and it's ok, but you can't say it was dull, because i played it multiple of time and i didn't find it dull and i'm sure i'm not alone.

You are not alone, we are the minority but we do exist haha I still prefer TID than N&T but maybe because I caught ILS games while TID was in development and grow very fond of it, while I played N&T (only once though) before TID but it was already completed.


On the other topic, I agree with Walter and e6mill more on the subject, inaction and "crawling" to a safe corner while events like the cliffhanger of this last update happen is the least "stupid" of the choices.

Knowledge and Intel on a chaotic/conflict situation like this game setting give us is very valuable. It was stupider if the MC wasn't armed and right now he is double armed with a melee and range weapon, and for sure with the fog he won't run mindlessly to a dangerous situation I guess, most stealthier he can and observe and evaluate the situation and then decide and act (or not) on it. I guess we will see how and if Kinderfeld present the scene in a good manner, I trust he will do a good job.

Risks are a lot more justifiable if they potentially yield a new LI.

He's going to take a look and evaluate the possibility of saving the (hypothetical at this point) damsel in distress.

Well for some updates already there is code for a new LI/Character I "catch" with URM, all I/we know is that the character name starts with E since there is the same stats/variables for l=Laura, k=Kallie and s=Shelley.

 

[Lynava]

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So, the million-dollar question: who the hell is ADAM??? Since you're discussing pointless things, I'll ask a serious question.
And given that, I'd definitely go for the gunshot.

 

[e6mill]

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So, the million-dollar question: who the hell is ADAM???

The first human - according to Christians. But more to the point it's just a figure of speech that someone's a total stranger.

 

[Lynava]

The first human - according to Christians. But more to the point it's just a figure of speech that someone's a total stranger.

Oh fuck, these English communication peculiarities again.
Honestly speaking, this is the first time I've seen something like this in AVN.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

So, a town being covered in a toxic mist that turns people into monsters and has pretty much wiped out most of it's population doesn't seem depressing to you?

That poster apparently lived in the U.S.S.R. or something. In that context, maybe this is like a fairy prancing around a unicorn shooting rainbows from his horn in an enchanted forest. I mean, there are no lines for food here, so... bonus?

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