VN Ren'Py ToxiCity [v0.12.0] [ILSProductions]

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ImSenjou

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I don't think the new girl will, at any point, try to take over the leadership of the group, much less challenge that leadership, and there are many reasons for that, not to mention that it wouldn't make sense to make the protagonist a support character.

The group wouldn't trust this new person who so recently pointed a gun at them and threatened them, especially if that person tried to challenge the group's order.
They've been through a lot to build that trust, and the MC has been the pillar of the group all this time, he would have to do something even more stupid than Laura to lose their trust in him, and then do something really impressive to gain that trust back.

What I think might happen is that after this girl joins the group and sees how they operate, she sees how soft the MC is with the group, can't stand to stay silent, and tells everyone what they need to hear, but the MC doesn't have the balls to say it.

The MC may not want to be the leader, but he was forced by circumstances, and that's the role the protagonist should have, what is missing now is for the MC to accept that he is the leader, and that he needs to act like a leader.
 

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Btw. Didn't the garage lady (assuming she's the 4th LI) look like a bit, erm... mmm... like really big? almost chubby? Maybe it was the clothes but, damn...
If its garage lady, she was wearing some heavy gear, and theres also speculation of military so she might just be pretty buff and in cold weather gear, which would be an excellent protectant against the toxic fog tbf.
 

danb35

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not to mention that it wouldn't make sense to make the protagonist a support character.
Exactly. She might challenge him for control (which would cause all kinds of drama). She might have the proverbial "come to Jesus" meeting with him (in private or in front of the group): "you're the leader of this group, you need to start acting like it before you get all of them (and you) killed." She will hopefully be competent and helpful in moving the group along. She might even be an actual partner, a second-in-command of sorts (though that would also do all sorts of interesting things to the relationships) like I thought Laura would be. But her actually taking over gives us a protagonist who can't protagonize, and I don't see that working.
 

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While I also dont see her completely "taking over", some kind of rivaly or struggle for the proverbial "command" of the group is something I cannot completely rule out either. We are still not even at the midpoint of the complete planned storyline, there are a fkin lot of chapters yet to fill with content.

So a slight amount of drama around leadership dynamics can also be a nice plot device moving forward (even if, in the end, I still believe the MC will keep managing things, just for the sake of engaging the player).
 

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Exactly. She might challenge him for control (which would cause all kinds of drama). She might have the proverbial "come to Jesus" meeting with him (in private or in front of the group): "you're the leader of this group, you need to start acting like it before you get all of them (and you) killed." She will hopefully be competent and helpful in moving the group along. She might even be an actual partner, a second-in-command of sorts (though that would also do all sorts of interesting things to the relationships) like I thought Laura would be. But her actually taking over gives us a protagonist who can't protagonize, and I don't see that working.
Personally i hope for some leadership conflict.
Seeing how the MC is short of collapsing it could also be that she takes over for a while, or takes over more responsibilities.
My main reason as for i want her in challenging the MC as leader is, that the MC would really need to up his game and be better.
She could be a second member for scavenging etc together with the MC, i kinda find it a bit sad to see that the MC is doing everything alone while the girls just sit at the shelter.
Also i really hope she doesn't want/take any patronizing from the MC.
 
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Seeing how the MC is short of collapsing it could also be that she takes over for a while, or takes over more responsibilities.
My main reason as for i want her in challenging the MC as leader is, that the MC would really need to up his game and be better.
Agree with this.
She could be a second member for scavenging etc together with the MC, i kinda find it a bit sad to see that the MC is doing everything alone while the girls just sit at the shelter.
With this one, to be fair, for quite a while now, he's not really been able to trust them to help has he? Laura been in a meltdown, Kallie too fragile after her attack and Shell...well..has been Shell heh.

Once those issues are a more 'stable' I would certainly expect that to change...providing the MC is not all alpha male women should be in the kitchen shit about it.
 

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There's also the possibility that she's hurt when she joins, after all last chapter ended with someone shooting.
 

Raziel_8

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With this one, to be fair, for quite a while now, he's not really been able to trust them to help has he? Laura been in a meltdown, Kallie too fragile after her attack and Shell...well..has been Shell heh.
Yeah, well Laura also has the tendency to ignore what the MC says or just running off...and yeah, Shelley is Shelley...
Kallie seems to be better health wise and ready to help, add to that, so far she seems to have a good head on her shoulders.
here's also the possibility that she's hurt when she joins, after all last chapter ended with someone shooting.
I really hope not...well, there was only one shot so that doesn't say much.
 
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Yeah, well Laura also has the tendency to ignore what the MC says or just running off...and yeah, Shelley is Shelley...
Kallie seems to be better health wise and ready to help, add to that, so far she seems to have a good head on her shoulders.
Yeah I would say if anything, Kallie is probably the most well adjusted in the group currently in the story.
 
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danb35

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Kallie is probably the most well adjusted in the group currently in the story.
Agreed, but I don't think she sees it that way. She sees that she and Shelley are relying on MC and Laura to keep it together to lead them, and I think Laura sees it the same way. And by all rights Laura should be more reliable, at this point, she definitely isn't.
she takes over for a while, or takes over more responsibilities.
MC definitely needs the latter. Taking care of all the needs of a group of four is too much for one person, especially for these four.
i kinda find it a bit sad to see that the MC is doing everything alone while the girls just sit at the shelter.
Agreed, but he doesn't have much of a choice. Kallie I think could do more, though I'm not sure if either of them see it that way. He can't trust Laura--whom he should be able to trust--to do much of anything, much less to not run off at random. It seems like Shelley's doing better, but how long will that last? I'm kind of surprised they haven't passed a pharmacy, but that might be a bit much to hope for.
He took a gun with him.
He took a pistol with five rounds of ammo, and that's all the ammo they have. If I'm forced to defend myself with that, that's one thing, but to head for trouble so minimally-armed is foolish. If he feels he needs to try to protect garage lady (her brusqueness aside, she's the only new, not-completely-insane person they've encountered for a while; it'd be sensible for MC to try to work with her), that might be enough of a reason, but "risky" understates it.
 

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Shelley's doing better, but how long will that last? I'm kind of surprised they haven't passed a pharmacy, but that might be a bit much to hope for.
The question would be if a pharmacy even has the meds she needs in store. From my experience, most of the times i need some meds which aren't everyday use, or at least really common, they need to order it.

That being said, even if Shelley is getting better, or is on her meds... i don't think i'd ever see her as reliable, or trust her to have my back outside. As soon as shit hits the fan the girl will most likely panik or has another breakdown, literally the last thing you need in such a situation.
And yeah, Laura is kinda just as unreliable...i thought that after her breakdown (which i don't hold against her), she would grow more dependable, but so far she didn't, rather the opposite direction... she is meanwhile at the bottom of my list of LI's.

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He took a gun with him. :unsure:
That doesn't make it a much better choice to rush into a gunfight...not to mention he has only 5 rounds and not much experience firing a gun.
 

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Agreed, but he doesn't have much of a choice. Kallie I think could do more, though I'm not sure if either of them see it that way. He can't trust Laura--whom he should be able to trust--to do much of anything, much less to not run off at random. It seems like Shelley's doing better, but how long will that last? I'm kind of surprised they haven't passed a pharmacy, but that might be a bit much to hope for.
In a town/small city that size, especially with a campus there, there absolutely should be one. And more than likely a WalMart or such with one inside.
 

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The question would be if a pharmacy even has the meds she needs in store.
Yeah, but mood stabilizers are pretty common any more. If the place hasn't been ransacked (the most likely concern), they'd likely have them on hand. I don't think I'd trust Shelley to remember what they were, but Kallie noticed and named them earlier.
i don't think i'd ever see [Shelley] as reliable
Well, "ever" is a long time. But I agree I'd be reluctant to rely on her for a good while. Her heart's in the right place, but I have the same concerns. But with that said, we haven't seen her on her meds--she might level right out.
Laura is kinda just as unreliable
Laura's kind of a disappointment. As a member of the group, she ought to be the adult in the room, at least as much so as MC and maybe more. She's the oldest of the four, married ~20 years, with a near-adult child. She's had to endure and overcome at least some adversity in her close-to-40-years. But she acts as flighty as Shelley.

As a LI, my biggest issue with her would be "figure out what you want." This being an ILS production, it won't be (or at least it won't stay) FWB. And I understand her being confused about it, but don't go sharing your confusion with me.
In a town/small city that size, especially with a campus there, there absolutely should be [a pharmacy]
Sure. But maybe it's missing for plot reasons. Or locked up (some drugs, at least, are kept in a safe). Or already looted.
 

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I'm kind of surprised they haven't passed a pharmacy, but that might be a bit much to hope for.
In a town/small city that size, especially with a campus there, there absolutely should be one. And more than likely a WalMart or such with one inside.
Sure. But maybe it's missing for plot reasons. Or locked up (some drugs, at least, are kept in a safe). Or already looted.
They just left the campus, haven't travelled very far since leaving there, and didn't need a pharmacy before that.

Perhaps garage-lady knows where medicines can be found.
 

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The question would be if a pharmacy even has the meds she needs in store. From my experience, most of the times i need some meds which aren't everyday use, or at least really common, they need to order it.
Yeah, but mood stabilizers are pretty common any more. If the place hasn't been ransacked (the most likely concern), they'd likely have them on hand. I don't think I'd trust Shelley to remember what they were, but Kallie noticed and named them earlier.
I think at this point any of the myriad of standard anti depressants would have a good enough effect to at least calm her brain somewhat and those should be available in most pharmacies behind the counter.
 
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