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Walter Victor

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Fair, and maybe that's the difference between strategic and tactical decision-making. Eve's tactical decision-making seems pretty good--she's well-equipped, well-prepared, and pretty well able to take care of herself. If she's with the group, and she/they have a clear goal, odds are she's going to be a pretty strong asset in reaching that goal.

And for that matter, her big-picture awareness isn't bad. She recognizes the, at least possibility if not likelihood, that the Cavalry isn't coming to save the day; she/they is/are on her/their own to get out of this situation.

So, yes, why stay in the garage? Both in terms of "why not set out on foot since her car won't work," and "why stay at the garage, rather than in the house that you know is there, know is safe, and know has working utilities"? She could have had hot meals and showers for the past month. Instead, she stays at the garage, and sends the people she wants to get rid of into a much more comfortable situation than she herself is living in.
I agree with just about everything you wrote here.

I'm just trying to counter the argument that some people [not you] seem to have that Eve is immune from making dumb decisions. She's made one or two decisions of her own that are at least questionable under close scrutiny.
 
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"why stay at the garage, rather than in the house that you know is there, know is safe, and know has working utilities"? She could have had hot meals and showers for the past month. Instead, she stays at the garage, and sends the people she wants to get rid of into a much more comfortable situation than she herself is living in.
The house is not safe, and everyone from Eve to MC to even Kallie recognizes this. (Not sure about Shelley, but she's just kinda along for the ride anyways.) They know it's a temporary refuge but way too vulnerable with half the first floor having glass walls. If the witches ever organized the Burned Ones to act in a coordinated manner (or they encountered hostile humans) that place would easily fall to just about any assault. Eve rejected staying at the house for good reason.
 

danb35

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The house is not safe
No less so than the garage--the one advantage of the latter is that you can more easily hide in the "garage" part (not so much the shop part). Those roll-up doors aren't any more secure than the glass at the house (or in the shop). The house surely isn't a fortified location, but it's safe from the behaviors we've seen, from the threats we've seen so far. Now, the big guy following MC at the end? Who knows?
If the witches ever organized the Burned Ones to act in a coordinated manner (or they encountered hostile humans)
Sure, being prepared for such things is a good idea--it's the same reason MC and crew barricade doors and the like. But as yet, we haven't seen any of these things, and neither has Eve. The only hostile humans they've encountered have been the one crazy guy at the school (admittedly, he was hostile enough to count for a few), and Eve. Nobody out and about at all.

Really, you could just as well say the house isn't safe against an atom bomb.

OTOH, if Eve sees that car as her way out (which I think she does, though there seem to be some details missing in that plan), she could be reluctant to let it get out of sight.
 

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I agree with just about everything you wrote here.

I'm just trying to counter the argument that some people [not you] seem to have that Eve is immune from making dumb decisions. She's made one or two decisions of her own that are at least questionable under close scrutiny.
The house is not safe, and everyone from Eve to MC to even Kallie recognizes this. (Not sure about Shelley, but she's just kinda along for the ride anyways.) They know it's a temporary refuge but way too vulnerable with half the first floor having glass walls. If the witches ever organized the Burned Ones to act in a coordinated manner (or they encountered hostile humans) that place would easily fall to just about any assault. Eve rejected staying at the house for good reason.
No less so than the garage--the one advantage of the latter is that you can more easily hide in the "garage" part (not so much the shop part). Those roll-up doors aren't any more secure than the glass at the house (or in the shop). The house surely isn't a fortified location, but it's safe from the behaviors we've seen, from the threats we've seen so far. Now, the big guy following MC at the end? Who knows?

Sure, being prepared for such things is a good idea--it's the same reason MC and crew barricade doors and the like. But as yet, we haven't seen any of these things, and neither has Eve. The only hostile humans they've encountered have been the one crazy guy at the school (admittedly, he was hostile enough to count for a few), and Eve. Nobody out and about at all.

Really, you could just as well say the house isn't safe against an atom bomb.

OTOH, if Eve sees that car as her way out (which I think she does, though there seem to be some details missing in that plan), she could be reluctant to let it get out of sight.
Guys, I think we need more suspension of disbelief and not-arguing over characters' decisions.

This is a story where every window and door is firmly airproof and baseball caps protect your hair, after all. So, less questioning characters' illogical decisions is needed: things happen because of plot reasons.

We need - well, yes we need it :sneaky: - a nice sex scene between MC and Kallie in every update, therefore our MC didn't have to go with Laura and Shelley to Eve's, therefore we had that little deceiving plot the girls orchestrated.

Our Author is jumping through hoops in order to make a scene for each main girl in every update.
 

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This is a story where every window and door is firmly airproof
Normal (exterior) doors and windows, especially modern ones, are airtight enough for the purposes of this story--it doesn't have to be perfect. Similarly, a solid fabric (i.e., not with the mesh in back) ball cap is going to provide a good degree of protection from airborne contaminants--we've seen that all their gear is less than perfect (I don't think Eve's is perfect either, but it's considerably better), but it's covering exposed skin, and it can be washed.

You're probably right that people like me need to relax a bit, but the counterpoint is that if we're engaged in the story (as I think most of us are), the characters' behavior needs to make sense within who the character is. The more that isn't the case, the harder it is to be engaged with the story. And IMO that mostly is the case here, which just makes the occasional exceptions stick out like the proverbial sore thumb.

If you want to view the story as nothing more than a vehicle to take us from one sex scene to the next, then fine, none of this matters. I look forward to sexy time with Kallie (or Shelley, or Laura, or probably in due course Eve) as much as the next guy, but if I'm just here for the sex, I might as well just watch porn.
Eve is a cunt
She definitely has some rough edges, and I'd at this point consider her the least-good-looking of the LIs. But I think she's growing on me.
 

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Whatever it is might be pissed because all his burned-one buddies got slaughtered. :)

Oh, and if burned ones come from men, and witches come from women, what the hell does that thing come from? :eek:
Definitely possible. We haven't previously had a lot of indications of higher-level strategic thought from any of the mutated. But the Witches trying to be clever in "crying out for help", and now the conga line of Burned Ones back to the house would suggest they are developing analytical thought. Actual emotion could be another general evolution of the mutants.
He monologues about being smart and aware while this tall and lanky SOB creeps up right behind him.
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TBF, unless that thing makes a lot of noise (while walking or otherwise), it's far enough behind him that he likely can't sense it, and he had no reason to look behind himself while heading away from what might be lurking. If he saw no danger as he turned the corner and left that area behind, it makes little sense to turn around "just because". Otherwise, he'd be making a string of circles all the way to the garage.
I honestly don't think he'll have the cojones to kill off a main LI.

Shelly, maybe, she's not really main girl material. Eve only just popped up, not unheard of for new girls to die. Got a feeling we'll probably run into his ex who's either a witch or in some sort of shit situation where he'll either have to put her down or save her.

Killing off Kallie though ... i'm gonna go out on a limb and throw in my 100% that the dev won't have the balls to do it
nor should he.
While I agree it would definitely take brass ones to kill her off, I think not doing so it more logical anyway. The MC already struggles to push forward, physical and mental exhaustion constantly wearing him down. If what Walter suggested does turn out to be true, I can't see the MC moving past it. Even if he somehow forces himself forward because Shelley and Laura still need him (and presumably Eve eventually), there's no way losing Kallie like that doesn't destroy him inside. Except for this most recent deception, the MC has consistently regarded her as a sweetheart, someone who's gotten so much crap from Andrew that she's decently fragile. If she's actually committed suicide, I see no way that the MC doesn't blame himself and have that slowly consume him over the rest of the story. I think it's impossible that he would ever recover from that.

As an aside: What are we calling the new, larger mutant? I saw Daddy Long-legs floated earlier. Personally, I'm slightly partial to Paul Bunyon — from this distance, the red of the upper body reminds me of a plaid lumberjack's shirt while the darker bit of the upper half and all of the lower half looks like suspenders. Very backwoods-19th-century American axeman to me.
 

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The house is not safe, and everyone from Eve to MC to even Kallie recognizes this.
From the capabilities we've seen from them so far, the house is perfectly safe. The Burned Ones literally don't notice people inside buildings and all the Witch has done was lightly scratch a window.

ow the conga line of Burned Ones back to the house
That was them following Shelley and Laura.
 

Avaron1974

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People assume the giant one is following the MC but it did see the MC come from a house.

Why wouldn't Big Daddy just stop by and attack the girls?
 

SmittyJones

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Only reason they're alive is because MC literally hard carried the party.
I tried to make this point a week ago and some fool chastised me for it. They argued that the girls have saved his ass multiple times over now, which while true, is only because he had to put himself in riskier situations to keep them (especially Laura) placated and alive. He'd been better off alone, but then you don't have much of a game or story. Most of the shit that has happened to them is a result of Laura's actions and like you, I don't blame Kallie and Shelly, they're young and easily swayed (the latter especially, due to her condition). Laura gets left somewhere if it were my call at this point.
 
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People assume the giant one is following the MC but it did see the MC come from a house.

Why wouldn't Big Daddy just stop by and attack the girls?
Yeah, I thought the same thing I don't think it's going to follow them for a few hours when the girls are closer, they will have to deal with it while MC and Eve are out exploring.
 
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People assume the giant one is following the MC but it did see the MC come from a house.

Why wouldn't Big Daddy just stop by and attack the girls?
OK, let's not call it Big Daddy, please. My skin immediately starts to crawl when I see that. :oops: (Porn really has ruined me for stuff like this.)

To your point, though, what you say is definitely a possibility. I'm not totally convinced it for sure saw exactly where the MC came from, though. I'm not saying it can't / won't find them, but all we as players see is that it's in the fog and absolutely sees the MC round the corner of the block. Maybe I'm just forgetting now, but is the house right by the corner? If not, the fog might have obscured enough that it only saw the MC approach and pass the corner. Ofc, we also have no idea what this thing's abilities are, just that it's as tall as Goliath. Maybe it can see through the fog easily somehow; we really can't know at this moment.
 
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danb35

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Let's presume for the sake of discussion (as I hope) that Walter's hypothesis about Kallie is not correct, and that she's instead hiding out in her room because she's upset. Which do you think is the main flavor of "upset"? (1) She's afraid of MC--she knows he's angry, at least in part with her (and with good reason), and the experience with Andrew is pushing her in bad directions; (2) She's ashamed for having betrayed his trust; (3) something else?

On (1), though of course these things don't work on a logical level, it seems she should realize that despite MC's obvious anger, he didn't lift a hand toward her, or even raise his voice at her.

Although hiding out isn't the best way to deal with it, I'm kind of hoping that (2) is at least a big part of it.
 
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Walter Victor

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Let's presume for the sake of discussion (as I hope) that Walter's hypothesis about Kallie is not correct, and that she's instead hiding out in her room because she's upset. Which do you think is the main flavor of "upset"? (1) She's afraid of MC--she knows he's angry, at least in part with her (and with good reason), and the experience with Andrew is pushing her in bad directions; (2) She's ashamed for having betrayed his trust; (3) something else?

On (1), though of course these things don't work on a logical level, it seems she should realize that despite MC's obvious anger, he didn't lift a hand toward her, or even raise his voice at her.

Although hiding out isn't the best way to deal with it, I'm kind of hoping that (2) is at least a big part of it.
Definitely (2). I don't understand how you even thought of (1). I don't believe that even Andrew ever threatened her physically.

But it's a lot more than being ashamed, though. Kallie is devastated because she believes that she might have lost the MC's trust (and potential love) for good, which would leave her without the hope for the future with him that she was just beginning to feel.
 
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