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TundraLupus

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I totally agree. There's blame all around. And I think more people might agree now, that except for Milly, the least of the blame goes to the supposed devil herself - Deb.

Like another poster mentions, there are holes in the story I don't understand. I'm confused why the family keeps the secret going after he's released. I have to go back and reread some of this shit.
they kept the secret because the ex went rogue and married the other dude and Milly started to show signs that she would be into her father, although after was shown this update the Milly part makes no sense any more, another incredibly dumb decision but it is in the same level of dumb as every other decision so far.
 
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Still the lesser evil is still evil, she should have told him as soon as she realized that the plan to reunite them had been delayed. After the 3 months originally planned for, she should have told him and sold out that shitty plan the family came up with, he would than have went after his family whom would have pointed him to his wife and child and right now the wife wouldn't be dead and his relationship with his daughter might not have suffered as much. By going with that shitty plot she betrayed him, the one she supposedly loved above all else, so she pretty much deserved as much flak as the rest of the family.
I agree Deb has blame. I really need to go back and read again at some point, cause the way I understand the plot, I'm most pissed at mam and the wife. Mam plans all kinds of sneaky undercover shit behind mc's back. She took the pics of mc and sis and shows it to the wife, and she helps orchestrate the plot to hide the wife. All this out of love supposedly. The wife goes along with everything willingly and then marries another dude and continues to hide.
 

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they kept the secret because the ex went rogue and married the other dude and Milly started to show signs that she would be into her father, although after was shown this update the Milly part makes no sense any more, another incredibly dumb decision but it is in the same level of dumb as every other decision so far.
Thanks for the explanation. I remember now. Yeah, some of the plot is quirky.
 

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Did you not listen, my point was how the Hell could he have imagined his wife would be fine with it? Sure its a porn game but its still meant to exist relatively within reality, a reality where wives aren't expected to accept their husband having a incestuous affair with their sister. Nor their family is supposed to be good with it either, its perfectly understandable for him to have bucked against revealing anything when the consequence would have been losing his wife. Heard the saying hindsight is 20/20? This is the case, you are arguing about the validity of a course of action from hindsight, not from the point of having to make said decision, which would be an entirely different point of view to judge from.
Yeah, good point. I misunderstood what you meant. MC still was carrying on a long-term affair though. He was lying to his wife for years. Also, I believe it's revealed his mom tried to talk to him about it, and he avoided it. That's why mom took the pics and showed it to the wife so at least wifey would be deciding to accept a marriage from a foundation of truth, as opposed to the foundation of deception the mc was offering.

The point is, in this quirky story, there's blame all around.
 
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Here's the problem...and this is MY OPINION ONLY...speaking for myself and no-one else. All this "there's plenty of blame to go around" is bullshit. Whether he was communicative or not and whether he was sleeping w/ his sister while married or not is irrelevant and has nothing to do with how his family fucked him over "for his own good". From jump street the whole plan was one big piece of unexploded WWI ordinance...it wasn't a question of IF it was gonna explode, but when. What he was doing, in his mind, was the righteous and noble thing to do, regardless of the personal cost (despite apparently not taking into account the possible ramifications to his IMMEDIATE family, ie wife and daughter). In some ways (as probably a bad example) no different from what many people were cheering Snowden for (not me, but that's neither here nor there). As I stated earlier, his family fucked him, plain and simple, and then his wife double fucked him by not even being able to follow the relatively simplistic plan and marrying the damn dude. The ONLY one blameless in this whole shitshow (aside from the MC and the non-related chars.) is the daughter. And for those that mentioned that Deb cut off contact and didn't wanna be a part of it, that's crap, cuz they even said that they finally got back in touch, even though it was "only once in awhile" like that's supposed to make it better. Officer, I was ONLY doing 75 in a 55, I didn't wanna do 90 like everyone else was. Just because you pick the lesser of 2 evils or are not as evil as the next person doesn't mean it's still not evil. The only ones who needed to "be more communicative" were the wife and mother. Instead of flat out telling him why he needed to stop his crusade, they kept beating around the damn bush when they ALREADY KNEW that he didn't pick up on hints and subtlety. So I guess then yes...it's HIS fault for not reading their damn minds. And I also agree that it's pretty jacked up that we have the opportunity to give Deb the cold shoulder for her role in this, but we're forced into just blindly going along with the mother and basically forgiving her on the spot and start joking around and being all calm and shit.

I'm sorry for the length of the rant. I actually do like this game, and still like it despite this last update, and will keep playing.
 

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At least she resisted it and refused to keep in contact with the wifey out of protest.
Only at the start, apparently she was talking to the wife during the years after the MC got out of prison.
Which is also apparently why the daughter was confused as to why the MC hadn't even called.


A lot of people seem to be forgetting that the MC's whole family, sister included, went along with the ex-wife's story that the MC no longer loved or wanted to see his daughter, which is why initially the daughter was so angry.
they all went along with that.

For that alone they can all fuck off.
 
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TundraLupus

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Here's the problem...and this is MY OPINION ONLY...speaking for myself and no-one else. All this "there's plenty of blame to go around" is bullshit. Whether he was communicative or not and whether he was sleeping w/ his sister while married or not is irrelevant and has nothing to do with how his family fucked him over "for his own good". From jump street the whole plan was one big piece of unexploded WWI ordinance...it wasn't a question of IF it was gonna explode, but when. What he was doing, in his mind, was the righteous and noble thing to do, regardless of the personal cost (despite apparently not taking into account the possible ramifications to his IMMEDIATE family, ie wife and daughter). In some ways (as probably a bad example) no different from what many people were cheering Snowden for (not me, but that's neither here nor there). As I stated earlier, his family fucked him, plain and simple, and then his wife double fucked him by not even being able to follow the relatively simplistic plan and marrying the damn dude. The ONLY one blameless in this whole shitshow (aside from the MC and the non-related chars.) is the daughter. And for those that mentioned that Deb cut off contact and didn't wanna be a part of it, that's crap, cuz they even said that they finally got back in touch, even though it was "only once in awhile" like that's supposed to make it better. Officer, I was ONLY doing 75 in a 55, I didn't wanna do 90 like everyone else was. Just because you pick the lesser of 2 evils or are not as evil as the next person doesn't mean it's still not evil. The only ones who needed to "be more communicative" were the wife and mother. Instead of flat out telling him why he needed to stop his crusade, they kept beating around the damn bush when they ALREADY KNEW that he didn't pick up on hints and subtlety. So I guess then yes...it's HIS fault for not reading their damn minds. And I also agree that it's pretty jacked up that we have the opportunity to give Deb the cold shoulder for her role in this, but we're forced into just blindly going along with the mother and basically forgiving her on the spot and start joking around and being all calm and shit.

I'm sorry for the length of the rant. I actually do like this game, and still like it despite this last update, and will keep playing.
I don't understand what you meant here, you say that the Mc is not at fault, and for them moving he truly is not since they did an awful job of trying to dissuade him and like you, and I, have said already they beat around the bush instead of telling him "they are gonna kill you and your wife and daughter if you don't shut up", but the Mc is to blame on the why they thought that was their only solution because he was incapable of listening, again it goes both ways, I mostly agree with what you said, I just didn't understand why you think the Mc is blameless, his portion of the blame is small but it is still there, and the families logic is inexistent so most of the blame is with them, also the Deb thing, I'm guessing there is more that we don't know, like why she returned home after the Mc was kicked out and etc... Was she wrong, yeah, but on my book just as bad as the Mc with a lot of the shit he's pulled, again I think there is something more there but I'm not the dev so I can't be sure.
 
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Only at the start, apparently she was talking to the wife during the years after the MC got out of prison.
Which is also apparently why the daughter was confused as to why the MC hadn't even called.
These are important plot points I can't remember. How long was the mc out of prison exactly? How long had the ex-wife been married to the other dude? Also, I thought it was the opposite - that sis had only been in contact with the wife more recently, but had avoided contact for years.
 

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These are important plot points I can't remember. How long was the mc out of prison exactly? How long had the ex-wife been married to the other dude? Also, I thought it was the opposite - that sis had only been in contact with the wife more recently, but had avoided contact for years.
3 years. Don't remember but I'm guessing at least 5. You are correct she just started talking to the ex after the Mc was released from prison, on even longer after that, I'm more sure of after he was released and then just every 3 months, probably to figure out when to tell him is my guess
 
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3 years. Don't remember but I'm guessing at least 5. You are correct she just started talking to the ex after the Mc was released from prison, on even longer after that, I'm more sure of after he was released and then just every 3 months, probably to figure out when to tell him is my guess
Thanks. Very helpful. That's the part that irks me out of everything - the wife remains hidden for three years after he's released. And for what? Supposedly because of the daughter's growing sexual attraction to the mc. The fact that mam went along with this makes her look worse considering she was fucking hew own mom and sis herself.
 

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Thanks. Very helpful. That's the part that irks me out of everything - the wife remains hidden for three years after he's released. And for what? Supposedly because of the daughter's growing sexual attraction to the mc. The fact that mam went along with this makes her look worse considering she was fucking hew own mom and sis herself.
yep, this game's story has a lot of holes in it, maybe in the end it will all make sense once we get the full picture, maybe not, I see this as a good start for the dev though, and am hopeful for this game and future ones, as this one has improved a lot and the dev has shown themselves to be receptive to constructive criticism.
 
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but the Mc is to blame on the why they thought that was their only solution because he was incapable of listening
As we've already established, it's not that he was incapable of listening, THEY were incapable of explaining. All they said was "you gotta stop". No reasoning, no explanation. If someone is doing something and all you say is you gotta stop, 9 times out of 10 they're not gonna listen. Probably gonna tell you to fuck off. But if you say "you gotta stop BECAUSE...", then you might get a more reasonable reaction. They didn't. It's almost like talking to children, except adults are worse, because we tend to believe we know what we're doing and that we're right, UNLESS we're provided reasoning or proof to the contrary.
 

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As we've already established, it's not that he was incapable of listening, THEY were incapable of explaining. All they said was "you gotta stop". No reasoning, no explanation. If someone is doing something and all you say is you gotta stop, 9 times out of 10 they're not gonna listen. Probably gonna tell you to fuck off. But if you say "you gotta stop BECAUSE...", then you might get a more reasonable reaction. They didn't. It's almost like talking to children, except adults are worse, because we tend to believe we know what we're doing and that we're right, UNLESS we're provided reasoning or proof to the contrary.
yeah, that is just a difference between how we view it then, for me when someone says "you gotta stop" the first thing I do is ask "why?" so for me the Mc not questioning this, and not thinking about the ramifications of his actions are what put him at fault, also the previously established inability to listen to people or open up to them, the way that he acts just like his mother at times putting the fault in others and believing that only he is in the right(noticed this just now, nice touch dev), so for me he is partially to blame because he set a precedent, the family is 99% to blame though, no doubt about that.
 
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yeah, that is just a difference between how we view it then, for me when someone says "you gotta stop" the first thing I do is ask "why?" so for me the Mc not questioning this, and not thinking about the ramifications of his actions are what put him at fault, also the previously established inability to listen to people or open up to them, the way that he acts just like his mother at times putting the fault in others and believing that only he is in the right(noticed this just now, nice touch dev), so for me he is partially to blame because he set a precedent, the family is 99% to blame though, no doubt about that.
And I can see that point of view. Not going to lie, the way I explained it more often than not is how I tend to react, but there have been times where I'll ask why. Needless to say it's situational. In my mind, he was on a mission and all he saw, despite them being loving family members, were people trying to get in the way of his mission and I guess "assist" in hiding the truth or whatnot.
 

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Plot is so convoluted and makes everyone, the MC included, out to be either utter cunts or complete morons ... in some cases both.

There is only 1 single character in the whole game that doesn't look like a prize prick and that's Milly.

MC constantly looks like a fucking moron. All that talk of his military service and how awesome he was yet here I am a 4 foot 8 girl built like a twiglet with a fetish for submission and i'm more alpha male than he is. I've had shits with more common sense.

Deb, I like Deb, without her there would be no game. Nobody would know what the fuck to do yet she's still a silly cunt. Goes along with batshit plans and fucks over her own brother, a guy she claims to love.

The mother set it all off, she's the cuntiest of cunts that ever cunted .... the cunt.

As for the ex..... Just fuck her sideways with a traffic cone the dizzy bint.

Unless you are going to suddenly have the MC grow man testicles instead of the little bitch balls he has now stop teasing Milly stuff. It's fucking irritating having the only decent character fawning over a guy that avoids sex like it's a game of dodgeball and he's determined to fucking win.

It's like watching a horny Chihuahua trying to fuck a house brick. No matter how much she slams her clam into it, it aint fucking back.

How someone wakes up one morning and thinks "I know, I shall develop a game where nearly every character is an utter twat and the plot makes very little sense .... I'M A GENIUS"

It's like a word bukkake, it's all there but it's a complete mess just jizzed onto Ren'py's face and Ren'py was not amused.

Well, I did like Deb until he completely butchered her model with that abomination of a hairstyle.
 
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Kumiko(? Millie's Japanese friend, sorry I suck with names), was portrait to be smart, I hope they tell her the full story and she just goes bat shit on them on how dumb it all was, like really breaks down why every single thought they had was stupid, I think that would be both satisfying and funny as fuck.
 
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I was SOOOOO waiting for Ava to chime in on this...been bouncing up and down since the update cuz I KNEW she had a sweet take on this. Umm...was I the only one? Should I not have said that out loud?
not gonna lie I kinda was waiting for it, and this one was funny as hell.
 
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