VN Ren'Py Trouble in Paradise [v1.10] [Syko134]

[The Daydreamer]

Syko134 you said this mmf scene is avoidable. But the thing is it still happens in the story. You just don't watch it. Tbh it's kinda scummy thing to do.

Come on, it was an honest mistake. The dev reacted to it one page ago:

Aaaaand now I feel dumb not using the terms 'skippable' and 'avoidable' to clarify it for everyone who asked. Yes, you're right. The scene in the current version is skippable, and it is gonna stay that way. Can't alter the past!

Since then, he even updated the tags in the "Genre" section of the first post to clarify everything. And by the way Syko134, "Group sex" should go in the current content (a group starts at three on F95).

Anyways I hope you consider to add 'ntr' tag or at least a warning in the op soon so other people who hates ntr won't be dissapointed when they reach that part of the game. Because for many people this kind of scene is a ntr content no matter if it happened on past or not.

I can't believe I have to be the devil's advocate on that one since I don't like this type of content either but this has nothing to do with NTR. You don't even know that girl (or maybe under her alias as a camgirl) when it happened to her. And even at the time he discovers the video, she's not a LI (at this point, the dev could very well decide to not make her a LI even if that would be surprising since "harem" is among the planned tags ). You can't put the NTR tag needlessly or people who actually like this kind of content are gonna be disappointed (plus they could come over here and put some nasty ideas in the dev's head and we don't want that! ) since the dev has already stated there won't be any NTR in this game.

I mean, I understand not liking the scene but let's not get carried away ^^ The "multiple penetration" tag should serve as a warning for those who do not like to see the LI with other men than the MC. And then they can use the "search" function to learn more about it before downloading the game. Then again, Syko can also put a warning like "No NTR whatsoever planned but the game contains skippable scenes from the past that involve LI with other men than the MC". This is frankly overkill but if he can avoid some future headaches thanks to that, why not!

the game is quite long even tho it's just 0.2 but all the sexual content mc has in his dreams...

About that, I'm getting tired of this trope in adult VN! I understand why devs put it in their game (they want adult content but can't have the MC seducing everyone right off the bat or it's gonna be a very short game! ) but I'd like more creativity on this front. I'm not talking about this game specifically but I'd rather have a dev who has the balls to blueball his audience instead of using dream sequences, MC fantasizing while showering, voyeurism, etc. If you have already seen a LI getting it on over and over again without it really happening with the MC, the first time with the MC is gonna be anticlimactic. Yet we should die with anticipation before their first time together so it's a bummer to diminish that impact by putting too much shallow scenes of this type.

I do have a suggestion for you on this actually; take a look at Aesop's "The Man, the Boy, and the Donkey" (

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Nice! Thanks for that, I didn't know that one!

A dev could try to please as many people as possible by putting lots of different fetishes and then making all of them avoidable (I never played the game but I think Fetish Locator uses that formula and with success apparently) but it's probably super hard to get patrons that way cause at the end of the day, if you have to avoid scenes left and right to have a pleasing experience, you're still gonna feel left out and won't support the dev.

 

[Pitrik]

Nice game with very beautiful girls ( mc's friend is very cute)

 

[derpdurp]

Pretty nice game. One thing though .. the default background music with the guitar.. my god it's too generic and sleep inducing. I don't wanna mute it off because when there's a different type of scene the game uses sound well. Maybe change it for later content in the game or have a few rotating? Other than that cool stuff

 

[Pale13]

Where is the android version?

 

[Look-see]

Syko134 you said this mmf scene is avoidable. But the thing is it still happens in the story. You just don't watch it. Tbh it's kinda scummy thing to do. Like it's no different than watching the scene. We already know it happens whether we watch it or not. It's not different than holding ctrl button. Like if you wanna put a ntr scene where mc's love interest gets gangbanged by other dudes then either make it totally optional/avoidable ( which means it does or doesn't happen in the story depending of your choice) or just fully show the scene without a skip button. Also this game looked like my type of game and I really really like it at first but that scene is totally turned me off about the game sadly. Another comedical thing is before mc even got a real sex, he watches one of the love interest getting gangbanged in a video... the game is quite long even tho it's just 0.2 but all the sexual content mc has in his dreams... Anyways I hope you consider to add 'ntr' tag or at least a warning in the op soon so other people who hates ntr won't be dissapointed when they reach that part of the game. Because for many people this kind of scene is a ntr content no matter if it happened on past or not. For me I went from 'I should support this guy on patreon' to ' should I put this game on ignore list' after I see that scene. I still very much like the game and if this 'your love interest getting fucked by other dudes regardless of your choices but you don't have to watch it' shit won't continue and the game won't go into ntr-sharing-cuckold path I will try to give it one more chance. Good luck with the game

ty for your review. u saved me a download.

 

[Syko134]

Syko134 you said this mmf scene is avoidable. But the thing is it still happens in the story. You just don't watch it. Tbh it's kinda scummy thing to do. Like it's no different than watching the scene. We already know it happens whether we watch it or not. It's not different than holding ctrl button. Like if you wanna put a ntr scene where mc's love interest gets gangbanged by other dudes then either make it totally optional/avoidable ( which means it does or doesn't happen in the story depending of your choice) or just fully show the scene without a skip button. Also this game looked like my type of game and I really really like it at first but that scene is totally turned me off about the game sadly. Another comedical thing is before mc even got a real sex, he watches one of the love interest getting gangbanged in a video... the game is quite long even tho it's just 0.2 but all the sexual content mc has in his dreams... Anyways I hope you consider to add 'ntr' tag or at least a warning in the op soon so other people who hates ntr won't be dissapointed when they reach that part of the game. Because for many people this kind of scene is a ntr content no matter if it happened on past or not. For me I went from 'I should support this guy on patreon' to ' should I put this game on ignore list' after I see that scene. I still very much like the game and if this 'your love interest getting fucked by other dudes regardless of your choices but you don't have to watch it' shit won't continue and the game won't go into ntr-sharing-cuckold path I will try to give it one more chance. Good luck with the game

I'm really sorry about that! I said it when I was still confused between what's skippable and what's avoidable. Ruining your experience by luring you into this with false promises was not my intention.

I do have a suggestion for you on this actually; take a look at Aesop's "The Man, the Boy, and the Donkey" (

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But seriously, consider narrowing your idea for the game a bit. Not even due to the fact that some people won't like certain parts, but because 10 partial focuses can't beat 1 thorough, complete one. If my days as a software developer taught me anything, its that planning tons of features increased project time exponentially. And more often than not, it led to missed deadlines or cancellations.

Understood, loud and clear. I do think it is gonna be a lot of work with all the characters that are already in there, but that is what I've signed up for now, it seems. Lets see how it goes for now! About pleasing everyone... Well, that just isn't possible no matter how hard I try. Had to learn that the hard way! The game shall go as I had planned in the beginning, and even if it is enjoyed by just a handful of people, I'd be fine with it. Thanks for playing!

And by the way Syko134, "Group sex" should go in the current content (a group starts at three on F95).

Oh, I see. Will fix it, thanks!

I can't believe I have to be the devil's advocate on that one since I don't like this type of content either but this has nothing to do with NTR. You don't even know that girl (or maybe under her alias as a camgirl) when it happened to her. And even at the time he discovers the video, she's not a LI (at this point, the dev could very well decide to not make her a LI even if that would be surprising since "harem" is among the planned tags ). You can't put the NTR tag needlessly or people who actually like this kind of content are gonna be disappointed (plus they could come over here and put some nasty ideas in the dev's head and we don't want that! ) since the dev has already stated there won't be any NTR in this game.

I mean, I understand not liking the scene but let's not get carried away ^^ The "multiple penetration" tag should serve as a warning for those who do not like to see the LI with other men than the MC. And then they can use the "search" function to learn more about it before downloading the game. Then again, Syko can also put a warning like "No NTR whatsoever planned but the game contains skippable scenes from the past that involve LI with other men than the MC". This is frankly overkill but if he can avoid some future headaches thanks to that, why not!

Haha! Welcome to the dark side!
I guess that warning would save a lot of people from getting their hands dirty, so why not?

About that, I'm getting tired of this trope in adult VN! I understand why devs put it in their game (they want adult content but can't have the MC seducing everyone right off the bat or it's gonna be a very short game! ) but I'd like more creativity on this front. I'm not talking about this game specifically but I'd rather have a dev who has the balls to blueball his audience instead of using dream sequences, MC fantasizing while showering, voyeurism, etc. If you have already seen a LI getting it on over and over again without it really happening with the MC, the first time with the MC is gonna be anticlimactic. Yet we should die with anticipation before their first time together so it's a bummer to diminish that impact by putting too much shallow scenes of this type.

Hmm... You're right, scenes like those do make the real deal look kinda underwhelming. That's something I'll try to improve, good idea!

 

[Syko134]

Where is the android version?

Uploading it rn, I'll add links to the original post as soon as its done!.

 

[Syko134]

Trouble in Paradise v0.2.0 Official Android Port

Changelog:
> Fixed known bugs from the PC/Mac release
> Incest patch pre-applied

Download:

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[YogSothoth1982]

All of those tags are gonna be completely avoidable. They are not the main fetishes of the game.

I have played some of the content of the game, for now I don't dislike the game, but for me it is more of a kinetic novel than a visual novel (I hardly choose anything)

I see that in the planned skip tags are mind control (Skipable mind control scenes... much people will think in NTR scenes) and drugs (I don't like mind control or drugs even if you don't see the scene, and even more so if the MC is involved. And if the two things are related, I only can see as a rape). This, with the corruption tag and description I see:

"As you can probably guess from the planned tags, the story is eventually gonna take a dark turn. If that makes you uncomfortable, please reconsider whether you wanna play this game or not."

Probably I'm going to left the game.

But thanks for the game and good luck.

 

[Skargaroth]

Yeah personally I'd rather not have drugs, mind control, possession or potential NTR stuff in the game.

I find seduction and coming together into a deep bond of love to be much more satisfying story wise.

There's enough games on here with mind control etc in them for people to play.

Maybe leave them out of this game and do another game that has those.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Hmm... You're right, scenes like those do make the real deal look kinda underwhelming. That's something I'll try to improve, good idea!

I haven't really seen the dreams (like usually I hitted the skip button) and personally, if it had been optional to see, I'd be happier (I especially dislike when you have to choose something in dreams, I have to choose between things that I'm not interested in seeing). Also, too many dream scenes kill my mod for the character involved. I'm sure that others think different, but let people choose if they want see the dreams or not can not be very difficult.

And if you really want a visual novel, I think that you need to let people choise more (and with consecuences, at least one of the choises in the game arrive to the same scene even if you decide to spy or not). I supouse that this change in the future (for those tags that can avoid).

 

[The Daydreamer]

Haha! Welcome to the dark side!

I like vanilla way too much, you'll never manage to corrupt my soul!

Hmm... You're right, scenes like those do make the real deal look kinda underwhelming. That's something I'll try to improve, good idea!

Yay! \o/

I see that in the planned skip tags are mind control (Skipable mind control scenes... much people will think in NTR scenes)

I think the dev isn't completely sure about mind control yet (I've read it a few pages ago if memory serves ^^). Mind control does scream NTR or rape (depending on whether the protagonist or the antagonist wields the power ) but the dev has already stated that NTR wasn't in the cards... So maybe "porn logic" isn't gonna apply for once and we're gonna bare witness something unique in the adult game industry: mind control that doesn't lead to any sex scenes! (but then again, it wouldn't make much sense to put it in the tags then! What a conundrum! )

I don't like mind control or drugs even if you don't see the scene, and even more so if the MC is involved

If the scene is skippable and not avoidable then the MC is probably a victim/witness or is made aware after the fact (like the sex tape). If the MC was the one with mind control ability, it wouldn't make much sense to force the content onto the player. As the MC, we should be able to decide if we want to mindfuck someone or that would be super frustrating.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I think the dev isn't completely sure about mind control yet (I've read it a few pages ago if memory serves ^^). Mind control does scream NTR or rape (depending on whether the protagonist or the antagonist wields the power ) but the dev has already stated that NTR wasn't in the cards... So maybe "porn logic" isn't gonna apply for once and we're gonna bare witness something unique in the adult game industry: mind control that doesn't lead to any sex scenes! (but then again, it wouldn't make much sense to put it in the tags then! What a conundrum! )


If the scene is skippable and not avoidable then the MC is probably a victim/witness or is made aware after the fact (like the sex tape). If the MC was the one with mind control ability, it wouldn't make much sense to force the content onto the player. As the MC, we should be able to decide if we want to mindfuck someone or that would be super frustrating.

I think that you are rigth.

If you can (and want) skip a mind control scene, posibly is becouse other is the person with the mind control. Obviously this arrive to NTR (people who hate NTR won't be happy with the skip option, and people who love NTR don't need it to exist. Making this content skippable can be a waste of time, because most people won't appreciate the effort)... But if NTR is out the screen... The other option, the MC is something... I mean, if someone wants to skip the content... isn't it better to make it avoidable?

 

[The Daydreamer]

If you can (and want) skip a mind control scene, posibly is becouse other is the person with the mind control. Obviously this arrive to NTR... But if NTR is out the screen...

Could be some kind of "reverse rape" for example. A woman has mind control abilities and is jealous of the MC and Violet. She manipulates MC's mind and has some sexy time with him. Violet learns about it and accuses MC of cheating and as a consequence we got lots of drama (ruined reputation, Lucas pissed off at us, Violet badly hurt again, etc).

It could also just be some evil guy fucking girls left and right thanks to his power in some kind of orgy but the poor girls aren't LI so no NTR.

Or it could be some weirdo with a massive "voyeurism" fetish who uses his powers so people have less inhibition and start doing it in the open when he's able to witness the did...


The only limit is the dev's imagination! ^^ Therefore, there's no choice but to play the next updates to find out!

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Could be some kind of "reverse rape" for example. A woman has mind control abilities and is jealous of the MC and Violet. She manipulates MC's mind and has some sexy time with him. Violet learns about it and accuses MC of cheating and as a consequence we got lots of drama (ruined reputation, Lucas pissed off at us, Violet badly hurt again, etc).

It could also just be some evil guy fucking girls left and right thanks to his power in some kind of orgy but the poor girls aren't LI so no NTR.

Or it could be some weirdo with a massive "voyeurism" fetish who uses his powers so people have less inhibition and start doing it in the open when he's able to witness the did...


The only limit is the dev's imagination! ^^ Therefore, there's no choice but to play the next updates to find out!

Ok, you beat me with this.

The first is not something I want to see, the truth is that I really would not like it. Actually, I hadn't thought about it (maybe because it is something that I dislike) But it is very well thought out.

The other two... Either the MC is following the "villain" and watches the scenes (which would show his more voyeur side), or these two are one-shot resources (or the developer thinks it is a good idea to see what the antagonist does from time to time, to include orgies or sex with strangers, or both). In any case, I prefer to skip the content.

 

[thevoid089]

I must say I love your game Syko134 , so far the story was interesting and all the girls was very hot and sexy. But I think the problem with your game right now is that:
_As some people on the thread already point out, it was more like a kinetic novel right now than a VN because very rarely the MC allow to choose his action and most of the time you had to follow with the story without any interaction yet. But I think maybe your idea was that you want to build the big road for the game first before putting more branches and path for the players to choose in the future,don't know the other but I;m kinda like that idea because you had to have a solid root first before add in more different choices.
_I think you could develop your game with a little bit of "sandbox" type of VN, basically creating map and let MC to choose which girl they want to pursue first. If someone like Alyssa they could go to the coffee shop and spending the time with her, or go to school and hang around with the teachers or his classmates,... If you found that type of VN aren't to your liking or people didn't like it then it was fine too
Beside that I'm very interesting with the "dark turn" so far, let see how would you make the MC solve the problem and will he man up and deal with it. And will the guy would earn the harem ending or get himself into bad end? Can't wait for all the future updates, and wish you and your develop's team the best
Ps: Honestly to say but we barely even know Claire enough, so even if she got into trouble with those scumbags it wasn't enough to be considered "NTR" yet. But maybe after you make some branches choice, we could truly rescue her outta it? Or I think the sex scene would still happen but we could slowly woo her and make her only love MC?

 

[The Daydreamer]

I think you could develop your game with a little bit of "sandbox" type of VN, basically creating map and let MC to choose which girl they want to pursue first. If someone like Alyssa they could go to the coffee shop and spending the time with her, or go to school and hang around with the teachers or his classmates,... If you found that type of VN aren't to your liking or people didn't like it then it was fine too

It doesn't sound very practical for a story driven VN. This kind of game mechanics is useful when the focus is on the relationships with the LI (like HS Tutor for example) and if there aren't too many dependencies between them. Or if you want to go crazy and add some RPG elements with quests/tasks, inventory and what not. But then, a lot of time is spent on Renpy instead of writing/rendering so probably not a safe bet for a first project.

Anyway the way I see it, it's already too late unless you want to annoy the players who've signed up for the VN format. You don't want to be the dev who switches from VN to sandbox "midway" unless you put a shit ton of content so the sandbox doesn't feel empty!

Honestly to say but we barely even know Claire enough, so even if she got into trouble with those scumbags it wasn't enough to be considered "NTR" yet. But maybe after you make some branches choice, we could truly rescue her outta it? Or I think the sex scene would still happen but we could slowly woo her and make her only love MC?

It happened in the past when we did not know her and even when we discover her past, we don't know her that much so like you said, no NTR and no way to prevent it (no DeLorean to change the past here ^^).
Those who blackmailed her have been expelled already and they don't have any mean to pressure her anymore (at least, I think she was blackmailed so they wouldn't reveal she was a cam girl). Therefore I don't know if she needs any rescuing right now. Maybe some love so she can put that nasty episode behind her?

 

[thevoid089]

It doesn't sound very practical for a story driven VN. This kind of game mechanics is useful when the focus is on the relationships with the LI (like HS Tutor for example) and if there aren't too many dependencies between them. Or if you want to go crazy and add some RPG elements with quests/tasks, inventory and what not. But then, a lot of time is spent on Renpy instead of writing/rendering so probably not a safe bet for a first project.

Anyway the way I see it, it's already too late unless you want to annoy the players who've signed up for the VN format. You don't want to be the dev who switches from VN to sandbox "midway" unless you put a shit ton of content so the sandbox doesn't feel empty!


It happened in the past when we did not know her and even when we discover her past, we don't know her that much so like you said, no NTR and no way to prevent it (no DeLorean to change the past here ^^).
Those who blackmailed her have been expelled already and they don't have any mean to pressure her anymore (at least, I think she was blackmailed so they wouldn't reveal she was a cam girl). Therefore I don't know if she needs any rescuing right now. Maybe some love so she can put that nasty episode behind her?

Yeah! Even I realize putting "sandbox" game in this one was not a good idea at all, the game look much better with normal VN type with evert choices would have a different path and outcome
About Claire: I agree, in her case it would seems like she could have some traumas with the past event and could have some level of distrust men. We still don't know if she still working as cam girl yet so had to wait for the new update, but with my theory I think MC role with Claire could be to comfort her and slowly build up trust and love so that she could move on with her life. Could be that or depend on Syko's vision about Claire's storyline, it could be some twist in the end
....Still wondering who was that "Dream girl" appear in MC's dream every night tho? Was she just some imagination or the was more sinister plot behind it? Can't wait to find out

 

[Syko134]

I think the dev isn't completely sure about mind control yet (I've read it a few pages ago if memory serves ^^).

Well... Yeah. Mind control is a risky tag if not used properly. It might just end up on the pile of scratched content (or become a non-sexual theme) if I'm not satisfied with the end result. It is not gonna be NTR or Rape though, thats for sure.

Could be some kind of "reverse rape" for example. A woman has mind control abilities and is jealous of the MC and Violet. She manipulates MC's mind and has some sexy time with him. Violet learns about it and accuses MC of cheating and as a consequence we got lots of drama (ruined reputation, Lucas pissed off at us, Violet badly hurt again, etc).

It could also just be some evil guy fucking girls left and right thanks to his power in some kind of orgy but the poor girls aren't LI so no NTR.

Or it could be some weirdo with a massive "voyeurism" fetish who uses his powers so people have less inhibition and start doing it in the open when he's able to witness the did...


The only limit is the dev's imagination! ^^ Therefore, there's no choice but to play the next updates to find out!

Holy shit, those are some great ideas! You're somewhat close to guessing what it is gonna be about, and the next update might just give you all the information you need. Great job, Sherlock!

I must say I love your game Syko134 , so far the story was interesting and all the girls was very hot and sexy.

Thanks!

_As some people on the thread already point out, it was more like a kinetic novel right now than a VN because very rarely the MC allow to choose his action and most of the time you had to follow with the story without any interaction yet. But I think maybe your idea was that you want to build the big road for the game first before putting more branches and path for the players to choose in the future,don't know the other but I;m kinda like that idea because you had to have a solid root first before add in more different choices.

That is exactly what I'm trying to do! Its kinda hard to add meaningful choices when the story is just getting started. I just wanna make sure everyone reaches a certain point in the story, before the paths start to diverge. Its not gonna be a kinetic novel, I just need a little more time to add path-affecting choices!

_I think you could develop your game with a little bit of "sandbox" type of VN, basically creating map and let MC to choose which girl they want to pursue first. If someone like Alyssa they could go to the coffee shop and spending the time with her, or go to school and hang around with the teachers or his classmates,... If you found that type of VN aren't to your liking or people didn't like it then it was fine too

While I do like sandbox VNs, I don't think mine is gonna be one. Turning a story-focused game into a sandbox just doesn't work well!

Beside that I'm very interesting with the "dark turn" so far, let see how would you make the MC solve the problem and will he man up and deal with it. And will the guy would earn the harem ending or get himself into bad end? Can't wait for all the future updates, and wish you and your develop's team the best

I'll leave that to your imagination for now, the ending is still fairly far away. It is gonna be satisfying though (or infuriating, depending on the choices you make ) I can tell ya that much!

Ps: Honestly to say but we barely even know Claire enough, so even if she got into trouble with those scumbags it wasn't enough to be considered "NTR" yet. But maybe after you make some branches choice, we could truly rescue her outta it? Or I think the sex scene would still happen but we could slowly woo her and make her only love MC?

Rescuing her is not an option now, the MC doesn't have the brains to build a time machine, unfortunately. But, her scars will heal, and MC will play a major role in that process.

It doesn't sound very practical for a story driven VN. This kind of game mechanics is useful when the focus is on the relationships with the LI (like HS Tutor for example) and if there aren't too many dependencies between them. Or if you want to go crazy and add some RPG elements with quests/tasks, inventory and what not. But then, a lot of time is spent on Renpy instead of writing/rendering so probably not a safe bet for a first project.

Anyway the way I see it, it's already too late unless you want to annoy the players who've signed up for the VN format. You don't want to be the dev who switches from VN to sandbox "midway" unless you put a shit ton of content so the sandbox doesn't feel empty!

Exactly! You explained it better than I did, thank you!

It happened in the past when we did not know her and even when we discover her past, we don't know her that much so like you said, no NTR and no way to prevent it (no DeLorean to change the past here ^^).
Those who blackmailed her have been expelled already and they don't have any mean to pressure her anymore (at least, I think she was blackmailed so they wouldn't reveal she was a cam girl). Therefore I don't know if she needs any rescuing right now. Maybe some love so she can put that nasty episode behind her?

And love she shall get. What can I say, MC is a great guy!

 

[Syko134]

About Claire: I agree, in her case it would seems like she could have some traumas with the past event and could have some level of distrust men. We still don't know if she still working as cam girl yet so had to wait for the new update, but with my theory I think MC role with Claire could be to comfort her and slowly build up trust and love so that she could move on with her life. Could be that or depend on Syko's vision about Claire's storyline, it could be some twist in the end

Haha! Don't worry, I don't see any twists at the end of Claire's storyline. The story itself however, is gonna be a bumpy ride.

....Still wondering who was that "Dream girl" appear in MC's dream every night tho? Was she just some imagination or the was more sinister plot behind it? Can't wait to find out

That miiiiiiiiight become somewhat clear in the next update