Ren'Py True DeDICKtive [v0.2] [Bao Cat Studio]

[BaoCat]

Gloryhole is a dangerous thing, since if the LI doesn't know that it's the MC who is behind the hole, many will consider it as NTR (and it won't matter if it's the MC, the reasoning is that it could have been anyone)



Personally, I'd rather the MC act more like an adult than a wanking teenager who can't concentrate when there are two boobs in front of him. For example, the part with Pam, where the MC completely loses track of what's going on around him because she's sitting on his lap, is more frustrating than funny (as is the fact that he agrees with everything she says because he's more focused on looking at her boobs than on the conversation). In fact, the part where he agrees to let her keep all the money they're going to pay them for solving cases seems downright stupid to me. And it doesn't make Pam a particularly appealing LI either.. I really don't see how the MC can possibly hope to become a good detective.

The truth is that right now my interest in Pam is zero at best, so I hope we can avoid any romantic and sexual relationships with her.

I'll comment more when I finish the update.

Oh, wow. Thank you for your output. You really put some thoughts into it.

 

[BaoCat]

The game has potential, I hope it continues to improve. One question: What demographics will you add in the future? Yuri, threesome, anal? I'd like to know.

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Some of it will be avoidable since I some people may not like it.

 

[Shadeyman7]

Honestly right now my main issue with the game is that the main character completely strains credulity. He's a detective from a university where he supposedly graduated with high marks, but he's a big clueless dumbass the entire time for the first case. He's being led around by the nose and needs tons of help even when things are pretty clearly spread out before him -- him not realizing that it's Steven he ran in to when going to apologize to Alina was particularly egregious, but also like... he took way too long to figure out that Alex ran away with Max. Hadn't even suspected it, or found anything odd or suspicious with how the letter was just signed "A?" No noticing both Alina and Alex's first names start with A? Like him being a bad detective isn't a problem, but him being a trained, awarded detective from a prestigious university who's also a bad detective kind of is? If he were more obviously incompetent, like being from a terrible school, or graduating with bad marks, that would go a long way to make it a bit more believable that he's so completely guileless.

Or hell, it's a porn game, maybe later it's revealed that the only reason he did so well was the department head (who winds up in town somehow maybe) thought he was cute and he was kinda her boytoy or something. Hell, would even fit with the whole theme of him being a dumbass if he didn't even realize that she was pulling strings to get him through college.

 

[AlphaFenrir123]

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Honestly right now my main issue with the game is that the main character completely strains credulity. He's a detective from a university where he supposedly graduated with high marks, but he's a big clueless dumbass the entire time for the first case. He's being led around by the nose and needs tons of help even when things are pretty clearly spread out before him -- him not realizing that it's Steven he ran in to when going to apologize to Alina was particularly egregious, but also like... he took way too long to figure out that Alex ran away with Max. Hadn't even suspected it, or found anything odd or suspicious with how the letter was just signed "A?" No noticing both Alina and Alex's first names start with A? Like him being a bad detective isn't a problem, but him being a trained, awarded detective from a prestigious university who's also a bad detective kind of is? If he were more obviously incompetent, like being from a terrible school, or graduating with bad marks, that would go a long way to make it a bit more believable that he's so completely guileless.

Or hell, it's a porn game, maybe later it's revealed that the only reason he did so well was the department head (who winds up in town somehow maybe) thought he was cute and he was kinda her boytoy or something. Hell, would even fit with the whole theme of him being a dumbass if he didn't even realize that she was pulling strings to get him through college.

From what I'm seeing, it doesn't seem likely that he'll be the first in his class. In fact, if he really is the first, I wouldn't want to see what the others are like.

 

[BaoCat]

Honestly right now my main issue with the game is that the main character completely strains credulity. He's a detective from a university where he supposedly graduated with high marks, but he's a big clueless dumbass the entire time for the first case. He's being led around by the nose and needs tons of help even when things are pretty clearly spread out before him -- him not realizing that it's Steven he ran in to when going to apologize to Alina was particularly egregious, but also like... he took way too long to figure out that Alex ran away with Max. Hadn't even suspected it, or found anything odd or suspicious with how the letter was just signed "A?" No noticing both Alina and Alex's first names start with A? Like him being a bad detective isn't a problem, but him being a trained, awarded detective from a prestigious university who's also a bad detective kind of is? If he were more obviously incompetent, like being from a terrible school, or graduating with bad marks, that would go a long way to make it a bit more believable that he's so completely guileless.

Or hell, it's a porn game, maybe later it's revealed that the only reason he did so well was the department head (who winds up in town somehow maybe) thought he was cute and he was kinda her boytoy or something. Hell, would even fit with the whole theme of him being a dumbass if he didn't even realize that she was pulling strings to get him through college.

HAHAHA, that gave me a good laugh. Well, yeah you're right. But I just wanted to make a goofy and silly MC.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

HAHAHA, that gave me a good laugh. Well, yeah you're right. But I just wanted to make a goofy and silly MC.

Well, that can be quite frustrating for those of us who play games in an immersive way. Keep in mind that I and others put ourselves in the shoes of the MC, so an overly goofy and silly MC is not at all enjoyable to play: There are things that are funny from the outside, but not so funny if you are the one doing them.

 

[BaoCat]

Well, that can be quite frustrating for those of us who play games in an immersive way. Keep in mind that I and others put ourselves in the shoes of the MC, so an overly goofy and silly MC is not at all enjoyable to play: There are things that are funny from the outside, but not so funny if you are the one doing them.

I can see your point but I can't change him to be serious and super smart all of the sudden. Perhaps there's some other way I could resolve the issue of him being silly yet not changing the storyline.

I like your idea of him being an actually mediocre student with bad grades. That could be an interesting twist.

 

[wowiewonk]

HAHAHA, that gave me a good laugh. Well, yeah you're right. But I just wanted to make a goofy and silly MC.

This MC reminds me of the What a Legend! MC, the newspaper disguise bit was pretty funny I won't lie.

 

[pepplez]

I think it was quite funny, a story that doesn't take itself too seriously, well done!

I can see your point but I can't change him to be serious and super smart all of the sudden. Perhaps there's some other way I could resolve the issue of him being silly yet not changing the storyline.

That shouldn't be very difficult, because people can learn from mistakes. Here it was the offhand suspicion that Aline killed her husband and it didn't bring him any glory, did it? Next time he jumps to conclusions, you could use this as a "flashback" to make him look a bit smarter in a realistical way, imo.

 

[BaoCat]

This MC reminds me of the What a Legend! MC, the newspaper disguise bit was pretty funny I won't lie.

Thanks!

Also I'm a fan of What a Legend! so this is a compliment.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I can see your point but I can't change him to be serious and super smart all of the sudden. Perhaps there's some other way I could resolve the issue of him being silly yet not changing the storyline.

The best thing is to find a middle ground, it's okay for him to be a bit clumsy, even seem absent-minded to a certain extent. But I think that in the detective part he should be more capable. In my opinion he could be something more like Colombo, someone not especially socially skilled, who nobody takes seriously, but who solves the cases without the bad guys really realizing that they are giving themselves away and thinking until the end that they have deceived the MC.

Also, you have theoretically implied that he is relatively intelligent when he has achieved the best grades in his class... Unless it was a class for people with "special intelligence"

I like your idea of him being an actually mediocre student with bad grades. That could be an interesting twist.

The truth is that I prefer to play as a competent detective than a mediocre one.

 

[pepplez]

The truth is that I prefer to play as a competent detective than a mediocre one.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

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But then he solves the case without any problems.

 

[zuijiro]

Looks cool, you have my support!

 

[disharmnar]

Have you finished the current content?

Yes in one sitting haha

 

[Shadeyman7]

I like your idea of him being an actually mediocre student with bad grades. That could be an interesting twist.

I think that's probably the best way to preserve the tone you were going for and make minimal changes to the plot, yeah. Change the lines about him being top of the class to him being middle of the pack or barely graduating or introduce a twist later that he was getting behind the scenes help and never realized it because he's kinda a shitty, easily distracted detective, although if you do that one you should probably foreshadow it a little bit, maybe just a few throwaway lines mentioning, say, his favorite professor who helped him a bunch or something like that. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with the game's tone or with him being kinda a goofy, horny dumbass, but there is something wrong if the rest of the game's writing/world doesn't realize he's a goofy, horny dumbass. Unless it's a whole world of goofy, horny dumbasses and he's comparatively a genius, but that doesn't seem to be the case. For one, Misty seems a lot more competent than him and Pam was able to bamboozle him with just a bit of cleavage. Again, not a problem for him to be easily misled or manipulated, but it is a problem for him to be a competent detective who's easily misled or manipulated, change one of those two things and the problem goes away. And I think the other people in the thread and I are over-emphasizing his incompetence, partly because it's really frontloaded in the plot. He does eventually start putting things together on his own a little bit towards the end of the case, albeit way, way later than the evidence should have led him to, which is fine if he's going to be a bad detective who gets better as the story goes on.

Overall, though, this one complaint is kind of the only one I have. Game's writing was mostly funny and charming, I like the artwork and the characters, and the scenario seems like it'll be fun to see expand. I just didn't enjoy being told how competent a detective I was playing and then watching him be really slow solving the first case. I think the only other thing to keep in mind is how you wrote the Anna plot line to be kinda romantic, in a story where your main character is, presumably, going to be sleeping around a lot. Keeping that romantic tone is fine, but it may be a good idea to establish that an open relationship is something she's okay with, or the main character's going to come off as a scumbag (or, again, you could not establish that and have him not even realize he's cheating on her if you want to play up the oblivious comedy angle, but I don't think that's the best solution tone-wise).

 

[BaoCat]

I think that's probably the best way to preserve the tone you were going for and make minimal changes to the plot, yeah. Change the lines about him being top of the class to him being middle of the pack or barely graduating or introduce a twist later that he was getting behind the scenes help and never realized it because he's kinda a shitty, easily distracted detective, although if you do that one you should probably foreshadow it a little bit, maybe just a few throwaway lines mentioning, say, his favorite professor who helped him a bunch or something like that. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with the game's tone or with him being kinda a goofy, horny dumbass, but there is something wrong if the rest of the game's writing/world doesn't realize he's a goofy, horny dumbass. Unless it's a whole world of goofy, horny dumbasses and he's comparatively a genius, but that doesn't seem to be the case. For one, Misty seems a lot more competent than him and Pam was able to bamboozle him with just a bit of cleavage. Again, not a problem for him to be easily misled or manipulated, but it is a problem for him to be a competent detective who's easily misled or manipulated, change one of those two things and the problem goes away. And I think the other people in the thread and I are over-emphasizing his incompetence, partly because it's really frontloaded in the plot. He does eventually start putting things together on his own a little bit towards the end of the case, albeit way, way later than the evidence should have led him to, which is fine if he's going to be a bad detective who gets better as the story goes on.

Overall, though, this one complaint is kind of the only one I have. Game's writing was mostly funny and charming, I like the artwork and the characters, and the scenario seems like it'll be fun to see expand. I just didn't enjoy being told how competent a detective I was playing and then watching him be really slow solving the first case. I think the only other thing to keep in mind is how you wrote the Anna plot line to be kinda romantic, in a story where your main character is, presumably, going to be sleeping around a lot. Keeping that romantic tone is fine, but it may be a good idea to establish that an open relationship is something she's okay with, or the main character's going to come off as a scumbag (or, again, you could not establish that and have him not even realize he's cheating on her if you want to play up the oblivious comedy angle, but I don't think that's the best solution tone-wise).

Thanks for the essay boss! I enjoyed reading it and it gave some nice ideas for story setups and character development. I was already thinking of how to change the prologue and your suggestion sounds to be pretty well fitting. Perhaps I could make it a hot professor doting on him and helping him pass classes because she was horny for him.

About the open relationship/cheating... Man this is quite tricky. I feel like this is one of the things in sandbox games where I feel like it's a "taboo" topic (Not as in it's wrong or forbidden to talk about it, but rather you deliberately choose to ignore it).
I understand some people may dislike it but I'm yet to decided wether or not I want to solve this issue at all. (Some future storylines will make LIs find out about MC sleeping around and may lead to threesomes but that might be it.)

If there's more stuff you would like to share then I'd be happy to talk with you! Also join our Discord cause I'm gonna share development roadmap there!

 

[Jeanv2]

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Some of it will be avoidable since I some people may not like it.

Thanks for the reply. As a suggestion, I would like some sort of radar or small visual tricks that take you to the objectives for those players like me who tend to get lost easily. And (if you already have it, tell me where it is because I didn't see it). The other thing would be a gallery in the start menu for easy access to the scenes you've made in your game. Lastly, I would like to know if you will add more language options, since in my case, English is not my strong point. Anyway, good luck with the development of the game

 

[BaoCat]

Thanks for the reply. As a suggestion, I would like some sort of radar or small visual tricks that take you to the objectives for those players like me who tend to get lost easily. And (if you already have it, tell me where it is because I didn't see it). The other thing would be a gallery in the start menu for easy access to the scenes you've made in your game. Lastly, I would like to know if you will add more language options, since in my case, English is not my strong point. Anyway, good luck with the development of the game

Currently you can only check the notebook on top right corner for notes/hints with certain character. We would love to add more transparent and easy to read system but currently we don't have time for that, perhaps in future. Same goes for other language.