VN Ren'Py Turning the Page [v0.30.0] [Azienda]

[captcha69]

A personal experience here a friend of mine was an alcoholic and a drug user then one day he had a kid, less than a month later he went to rehab now he is 6years sober is having a kid a traumatic experience lol

Nobody is saying Zach is a good/decent guy Zach is a bully, Zach is a narcissist but that does not mean he can't be a good father or a good husband he loves to hurt people but not his own family and friends and Sophie was his gf now wife while he have a very reasonable reason to hate Felix now being her ex-husband
ps: that's every girl Wattpad dream guy the bad boy that she can tame for her benefit and her offspring

Amy was not a friend then? good to know. Zach was not a redeemeable character, at least for me, if for u it was, gratz for enjoying the ending, i didnt, the reason i didnt was cause Zach was not a redeemeable character, it was not writed as such, for me, every moment that he is show vulnerable was a lie to try and manipulate Sophie, for me it was a character that at the end will go back to being Zach dump Sophie and go for the next target, that was zach, for u it was this Twiligh character, i was reading a NTR game...what can i say...my bad i got Zach wrong.

 

[starthrow]

People can not like this, but it's not absurd.

It really feels like you and I were not playing the same game. The driving force behind all of the events in the game is that Zach is a psychopath that uses and manipulates people, unable to give a shit about anyone but himself, and getting off on ruining other people's lives. Everything else is clearly performative. I don't know how much time you've spent around these kinds of people in real life, but they don't "change". Not in the way the game demonstrates. They can alter the criteria of their performance, and respond to incentives and disincentives of the people around them, but they can't magically start falling in love and be a different person. The whole sending pictures thing at the end clearly shows that he hasn't. So how is everything the way it is? Yeah, Zach could performatively do everything he did until near the end, but he wouldn't 'hang around'. All of the reasons as to why he did the things he did (for his own pleasure and self aggrandizement) finish the moment the marriage implodes. He would not hang around, there would not be a happy marriage.

It is, very plainly, absurd.

 

[rustyspoon]

What about this reasons? The "perfect man" is a slut, huh?

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And is Sophie the only sadistic person, really? Nobody uploaded her pics on school's PC for Felix to see? Nobody was humiliating Felix here and there every time them 3 were in one room? Nobody shit-talked Felix when he found Zach and Sophie together?

I personally find it hilarious how almost everyone complaining about this ending are simplifying the story and than complain about their simplified image instead of real story. I guess all you disgusting people just clicked through all the text not reading it, just lurking for porn pictures, and that's the root of the issue

Where in the story does this scene causes significant consequences for either Sophie or Zach? It might as well not have happened at all and nothing would change.

This ending is bad for YOU. You should maybe specify it while writing, seems like you're speaking the truth when for me and many others it's a perfect ending.

You’re right, I deleted the line soon after I posted it.
To clarify, I don’t have an issue with the ending specifically, but moreso with the overall writing and story.
The ending is the logical conclusion of the last few updates, and like others have said, it’s a fairly standard ntr ending.

 

[Terix3]

Maybe I didn't understand but what was the purpose 5 years later did he and Sophia sending Felix sex videos. Being a family man. What did I miss. Seems he was still a dick and she was a hoe.

The purpose is to have netorare scene in the update because it would lack one otherwise. Personally I would be fine if devs would shift amount of scenes in updates as they see fit rather than sticking to the quota but then certain users would jump and blame them for slacking and lying.

As for story excuse for it, one possibility was already provided. The other would be that they simply having voyeur kink and are excited by the prospect of Felix watching (quite probably they know that he played the vids). They even said that they miss Felix for that purpose. Maybe its only Zach that does this, anyway I don't think this has much relevance for the story.

The writing was pointing in a completely different direction. And there was a LOT of exposition. Zack was presented as a totally manipulative narcissist, who cares only for himself. He was blackmailing and manipulating Brooks the entire game and there was a lot of narrative ink suggesting he was going to drop Sophie like a hot potato and disappear shortly after everything blew up.

I thought Brooks was going to get even for how Zack treated him. Instead, Brooks rewards Zack and Sophie both, which makes even less sense. Why give them a huge monetary payoff? Sophie got a Pretty Woman ending even though she treated Felix like a sadist.

Zach, meanwhile, became a responsible, professional basketball-playing puppy . . . who for some reason is still obsessed with tormenting Sophie's ex many, many years later. Why does he even spend a single second thinking about Felix? It made no sense.

I expected an outcome where Zack becomes a professional player, but also endlessly cheats on Sophie. Leopards like him don't suddenly change their spots.

Though Felix' ending is unsurprising, and to a degree apropos. . . suicide would have been a better outcome for him. His attitude toward Amy didn't make a whole lot of sense in the end. Though she enabled Sophie, it was still Sophie's choices.

The Dev built up this persona in Zack that suggested a bad end for Sophie and instead she gets rewarded for her cruelty. So, will she get a very bad end if she demonstrates any humanity? Probably. After this vomit inducing ending, I won't be around to find out.

It was like there was all of the build-up for who Zack is and who Sophie had become that ended in a finale worthy of Dexter or Lost. Disappointing.

Not really. For long time it we had signs that Zach is falling for Sophie. We also do not know what makes Zach the way he was, what he was missing and just maybe he found that with Sophie.

Brooks doesn't care about Felix, he cares about the school rep and his own butt. It was said that that by keeping the thing secret Brooks will get far more money from supporters expecting Zach to be back next year. We also do not know what sort of dealings those two got (Zach and Brooks) I doubt it is just Zach blackmailing him.

You could call tormenting Felix his dirty pleasure. It makes a lot of sense, I'm sure you can find irl examples of upstanding people that after years were found to have skeletons in the closet...

Nothing more to say other than that you clearly wanted karma ending for Sophie but it didn't happen. Tough luck.

i quote doctor House here "people dont change" specially not if there is nothing at least traumatic happening to them, meeting Sophie and fking the shit out of her is not a traumatic experience that will change his life...the writer try to make sense of this ending but he showed us who Zack is at the start of the game, and because of that all the shit that comes out of his mouth is a lie, BUT with this ending, the moment he marry Sophie, now we have to believe that all the obvious lies from before were not lies ... like every time he show himself vulnerable in front of Sophie those were supposed to be lies, cause he is manipulating her, but now those were true...he stop having sex with all the other women cause he is "hunting" not cause of love, that´s the thing, i dont know how the reader can believe that Zack was a decent guy, he does nothing to give me that impresion, like even at the last moment of that game i was in total disbelieve waiting for him just to dump her ass xD

Except they do. Sophie was changed by good dicking everyone is fine with that. But Zach falling in love and changing is impossible. People fall in love and it can change them drastically.

Even if the rest of the game is amazing (and this one isn't; it's passable at best), this ending is still a black mark.

We've all seen otherwise decent games and even series ruined because it ended badly.

Few people care for endings all that much. People are here for hot cheating sex .

Amy was not a friend then? good to know. Zach was not a redeemeable character, at least for me, if for u it was, gratz for enjoying the ending, i didnt, the reason i didnt was cause Zach was not a redeemeable character, it was not writed as such, for me, every moment that he is show vulnerable was a lie to try and manipulate Sophie, for me it was a character that at the end will go back to being Zach dump Sophie and go for the next target, that was zach, for u it was this Twiligh character, i was reading a NTR game...what can i say...my bad i got Zach wrong.

I believe the point was for both outcomes to be plausible. So in one route you can have Zach failing in love and unwilling to share Sophie, and in the other he will just be in for kinky sex and will be ok with her sleeping with others.

It really feels like you and I were not playing the same game. The driving force behind all of the events in the game is that Zach is a psychopath that uses and manipulates people, unable to give a shit about anyone but himself, and getting off on ruining other people's lives. Everything else is clearly performative. I don't know how much time you've spent around these kinds of people in real life, but they don't "change". Not in the way the game demonstrates. They can alter the criteria of their performance, and respond to incentives and disincentives of the people around them, but they can't magically start falling in love and be a different person. The whole sending pictures thing at the end clearly shows that he hasn't. So how is everything the way it is? Yeah, Zach could performatively do everything he did until near the end, but he wouldn't 'hang around'. All of the reasons as to why he did the things he did (for his own pleasure and self aggrandizement) finish the moment the marriage implodes. He would not hang around, there would not be a happy marriage.

It is, very plainly, absurd.

Let's ignore the sings of Zach falling in love and stick to the part that 20ish guy is a seasoned manipulator that can't fall in love.

I need to post this meme again I guess.

 

[starthrow]

Let's ignore the sings of Zach falling in love and stick to the part that 20ish guy is a seasoned manipulator that can't fall in love.

I need to post this meme again I guess.
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Psychopaths don't fall in love, no. They engage in performative behavior to get the things that they want, and then when they get them, they stop, and move on to something else.

 

[Neuralyzed]

All I gotta say about this latest ending that everyone has already said is: Sophie’s pussy must be fucking god-tier. 1/1 billion.

She not only has poor Felix half a decade later still moping around, she was able to snag Super Star Zach, who could pretty much have any girl ever, but decides to settle with a middle age married woman.

 

[Terix3]

Psychopaths don't fall in love, no. They engage in performative behavior to get the things that they want, and then when they get them, they stop, and move on to something else.

Depends on the type of disorder they have but in general there are psychos that are in love. But I don't think Zach is psycho, he likes sex with mature woman, pref a teacher and doesn't really care if he hurts others in process. That doesn't make one a psycho, asshole sure but psycho ?

All I gotta say about this latest ending that everyone has already said is: Sophie’s pussy must be fucking god-tier. 1/1 billion.

She not only has poor Felix half a decade later still moping around, she was able to snag Super Star Zach, who could pretty much have any girl ever, but decides to settle with a middle age married woman.

Those top girls in netorare games falling for dirty smelly vagrants must be in shambles .

 

[Nefurien]

It really feels like you and I were not playing the same game. The driving force behind all of the events in the game is that Zach is a psychopath that uses and manipulates people, unable to give a shit about anyone but himself, and getting off on ruining other people's lives. Everything else is clearly performative. I don't know how much time you've spent around these kinds of people in real life, but they don't "change". Not in the way the game demonstrates. They can alter the criteria of their performance, and respond to incentives and disincentives of the people around them, but they can't magically start falling in love and be a different person. The whole sending pictures thing at the end clearly shows that he hasn't. So how is everything the way it is? Yeah, Zach could performatively do everything he did until near the end, but he wouldn't 'hang around'. All of the reasons as to why he did the things he did (for his own pleasure and self aggrandizement) finish the moment the marriage implodes. He would not hang around, there would not be a happy marriage.

It is, very plainly, absurd.

The whole "Zack is a psycho" thing is just too much. We didn't see Zack doing crazy stuff. If you saw it, please make a list. We saw way more Zack actually caring for Sophie for half the game than seeing him doing psycho stuff. Was there a murder, rape, coercion or whatever kind of criminal activity? No. It's like if a kid kills an ant and you brand him like a serial killer. I know that to be considered a psychopath you don't need to have a criminal record, but you need to at least show some lack of empathy, antisocial behaviour or other similar traits. In Zack what we saw is hate for Felix and then mostly sex related things. The manipulation stuff was in the beginning of the story, then gradually disappeared. A lot of people lie to get into other people pants, about their work, how much money they have, or having important connections with powerful people. Are they all psychos? Obviously no. In this case is just being young and a bit -or a lot- of a dick. Until I see Zack actually murdering someone and fucking their wife on their coffin, all the psycho talk is just exaggerated stuff.

Also, another important thing, is that we don't have a single scene where we have Zack's pov, so the whole "unable to give a shit about anyone but himself" is just how you think he is, not how he actually is.

 

[JagOvv SmearOvv]

Zack will go down as one of the greatest NTR villains with how much heat he's catching from the wimps here

 

[starthrow]

Depends on the type of disorder they have but in general there are psychos that are in love. But I don't think Zach is psycho, he likes sex with mature woman, pref a teacher and doesn't really care if he hurts others in process. That doesn't make one a psycho, asshole sure but psycho ?

Yeah, there are several different pathologies associated with the term "psychopath", but I'm referring to actual psychopaths. The parts of their brain that are associated with emotional connection with other human beings are never activated, some researchers tested it with, if I remember correctly, MRI machines, where those parts of the brain simply have no activity where all neurotypical people do have activity. The ones who have some degree of social intelligence (the ones who avoid getting found out as children) learn to mimic human behaviors and emotions, and engage in performative behaviors to get things out of people. Zach exhibits textbook psychopathic tendencies, based on his behaviors, on his fake public persona, and the actions he takes across the game. These kinds of people don't change, any more than a person with severe spinal trauma gets up out of their wheelchair and starts running a marathon some day.

But like I said a couple of pages ago; it's first and foremost a porn game, and one that has divergent narratives and multiple endings. If people like this ending for whatever other reasons they like it, then that's totally fine. It doesn't have to make sense for many people to enjoy it. It's just that it seemed like the script followed a very plausible bent, until very suddenly right at the end, Zach becomes a completely different person, which was really weird. Maybe alien abductions are real in this fictional universe, who knows.

The whole "Zack is a psycho" thing is just too much. We didn't see Zack doing crazy stuff. If you saw it, please list it. We saw way more Zack actually caring for Sophie for half the game than seeing him doing psycho stuff. Was there a murder, rape, coercion or whatever kind of criminal activity? No. It's like if a kid kills an ant and you brand him like a serial killer. The manipulation stuff was in the beginning of the story, then gradually disappeared. A lot of people lie to get into other people pants, about their work, how much money they have, or having important connections with powerful people. Are they all psychos? Obviously no, just being young and a bit of a dick. Until I see Zack actually murdering someone and fucking their wife on their coffin, all the psycho talk is just exaggerated stuff.

Also, another important thing, is that we don't have a single scene where we have Zack's pov, so the whole "unable to give a shit about anyone but himself" is just how you think he is, not how he actually is.

Psychopath is not synonymous with serial killer. More socially aware psychopaths are often law abiding, because they understand cause and effect, and like most human beings, still follow incentives.

If you think that blackmailing people, enjoying other people's pain non-consensually, striving to break up a marriage, manipulating everyone at every turn, cheating without remorse, using and discarding people when it suits you, feigning remorse when it suits you but being a totally different person in private, intentionally setting up scenarios to abuse and humiliate people, and then doing everything you can for years later to rub all of this in the face of the person whose life you ruined, is normal behavior, then there's not much more to discuss. It obviously isn't.

 

[Nefurien]

Yeah, there are several different pathologies associated with the term "psychopath", but I'm referring to actual psychopaths. The parts of their brain that are associated with emotional connection with other human beings are never activated, some researchers tested it with, if I remember correctly, MRI machines, where those parts of the brain simply have no activity where all neurotypical people do have activity. The ones who have some degree of social intelligence (the ones who avoid getting found out as children) learn to mimic human behaviors and emotions, and engage in performative behaviors to get things out of people. Zach exhibits textbook psychopathic tendencies, based on his behaviors, on his fake public persona, and the actions he takes across the game. These kinds of people don't change, any more than a person with spinal trauma gets up out of their wheelchair and starts running a marathon some day.

But like I said a couple of pages ago; it's first and foremost a porn game, and one that has divergent narratives and multiple endings. If people like this ending for whatever other reasons they like it, then that's totally fine. It doesn't have to make sense for many people to enjoy it. It's just that it seemed like the script followed a very plausible bent, until very suddenly right at the end, Zach becomes a completely different person, which was really weird. Maybe alien abductions are real in this fictional universe, who knows.


Psychopath is not synonymous with serial killer. More socially aware psychopaths are often law abiding, because they understand cause and effect, and like most human beings, still follow incentives.

If you think that blackmailing people, enjoying other people's pain non-consensually, striving to break up a marriage, manipulating everyone at every turn, cheating without remorse, using and discarding people when it suits you, feigning remorse when it suits you but being a totally different person in private, intentionally setting up scenarios to abuse and humiliate people, and then doing everything you can for years later to rub all of this in the face of the person whose life you ruined, is normal behavior, then there's not much more to discuss. It obviously isn't.

I edited the post a bit after saying I know what a psychopath is, I knew the message might have been ambiguous. The point is that it's not true that people with that kind of traits can't have a family. A psychopath CAN have a family. That's enough to reply to your whole comment.

We don't have Zack's pov and we don't have a psychiatric analysis of him either, so until proven otherwise, since a psycho can have a family, Zack can have a family. If what you're saying is that that's not a safe and healthy family, I can agree with that, who wouldn't, he's obviously a whole lot weird sending pics to Felix years after, I'm not saying he's a saint. But all this doesn't mean he can't have a family. Having a family is a basic human need, being a psycho or not doesn't matter, you still want a family.

 

[link18]

for u it was this Twiligh character, i was reading a NTR game...what can i say...my bad i got Zach wrong.

dude pls read my previous post because apparently you dont know what NTR is #4,038

 

[starthrow]

I edited the post a bit after saying I know what a psychopath is, I knew the message might have been ambiguous. The point is that it's not true that people with that kind of traits can't have a family. A psychopath CAN have a family. That's enough to reply to your whole comment.

We don't have Zack's pov and we don't have a psychiatric analysis of him either, so until proven otherwise, since a psycho can have a family, Zack can have a family. If what you're saying is that that's not a safe and healthy family, I can agree with that, who wouldn't, he's obviously a whole lot weird sending pics to Felix years after, I'm not saying he's a saint. But all this doesn't mean he can't have a family. Having a family is a basic human need, being a psycho or not doesn't matter, you still want a family.

You seem to be moving the goalposts, and I'm getting kinda tired of the discussion, honestly. Believe whatever you want I suppose. Glad it made sense to somebody, at least.

 

[Nefurien]

You seem to be moving the goalposts, and I'm getting kinda tired of the discussion, honestly. Believe whatever you want I suppose. View attachment 3976274 Glad it made sense to somebody, at least.

No please don't go away at the best moment This is the crucial point. You said it doesnt make sense that Zack being a psycho has a family, I said psychopaths can have a family. Can you please link some data showing that a psychopath doesn't want/can't have a family?

 

[mzer0]

I'm getting kinda tired of the discussion, honestly.

What you're experiencing is called enlightenment. They can't be reasoned with. Their entire perspective on this game can be summed up thusly:

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I enjoyed reading your side of the exchange, though. It was more entertaining and reasonable than Sophie's side of this ending, at least.

 

[starthrow]

You said it doesnt make sense that Zack being a psycho has a family

I never said psychopaths can't start families. Bye

 

[Nefurien]

there would not be a happy marriage.

We can end here don't worry, I lost my drive after this

 

[JevilVerum]

Wondering will the rest of the updates be Sophia and Zach only. The only thing you can hope for if Felix plots something for them after all the taunting and torment they have done to him. Spoiler possible NTR of Zach by Nate. Hahaha Nate is pissed cause of what he did to his favorite teacher Felix and turns Sophia to the dark side.

We'll probably have Amy choice very soon, so group route is in sight

 

[Terix3]

Yeah, there are several different pathologies associated with the term "psychopath", but I'm referring to actual psychopaths. The parts of their brain that are associated with emotional connection with other human beings are never activated, some researchers tested it with, if I remember correctly, MRI machines, where those parts of the brain simply have no activity where all neurotypical people do have activity. The ones who have some degree of social intelligence (the ones who avoid getting found out as children) learn to mimic human behaviors and emotions, and engage in performative behaviors to get things out of people. Zach exhibits textbook psychopathic tendencies, based on his behaviors, on his fake public persona, and the actions he takes across the game. These kinds of people don't change, any more than a person with severe spinal trauma gets up out of their wheelchair and starts running a marathon some day.

But like I said a couple of pages ago; it's first and foremost a porn game, and one that has divergent narratives and multiple endings. If people like this ending for whatever other reasons they like it, then that's totally fine. It doesn't have to make sense for many people to enjoy it. It's just that it seemed like the script followed a very plausible bent, until very suddenly right at the end, Zach becomes a completely different person, which was really weird. Maybe alien abductions are real in this fictional universe, who knows.


Psychopath is not synonymous with serial killer. More socially aware psychopaths are often law abiding, because they understand cause and effect, and like most human beings, still follow incentives.

If you think that blackmailing people, enjoying other people's pain non-consensually, striving to break up a marriage, manipulating everyone at every turn, cheating without remorse, using and discarding people when it suits you, feigning remorse when it suits you but being a totally different person in private, intentionally setting up scenarios to abuse and humiliate people, and then doing everything you can for years later to rub all of this in the face of the person whose life you ruined, is normal behavior, then there's not much more to discuss. It obviously isn't.

Zach is certainly not normal but it doesn't mean he can't feel love. We don't know his condition : is it about taboo sex, or about making another suffer, or about feeling of superiority or being recognized. Being a sadist towards one doesn't mean he can't feel love towards another. All it really needs is that he perceives Felix as someone inferior, someone that doesn't deserve what he got. Also throughout the game Zach never displayed desire to hurt Sophie, quite opposite actually he expressed concern when he didn't need to.

We can also entertain the idea that he is emotionally disabled. I think it is still plausible for him to move on from chasing teachers. He is intelligent he knows he can't be student forever, over the situation he will need to change schools where he won't have Brooks protection and finally Sophie obviously loves him beyond reason. Why not to try that normal life? Psycho absolutely can pretend to be normal person and if that continues for years it kinda sinks in. He also kept his hobby, small form but it is there.

 

[daimadochi]

It's daenerys GOT S8 situation here , just with zach instead of her.
Some people found that there was clues in the show that tells that daenerys had what it takes to do what she did in S8.
Other people absolutely didn't.
Same here just for different reasons.