VN Ren'Py Completed Turning the Page [v1.0.0] [Azienda]

[Mystogans_Wrath]

Yes, maybe you just have bad taste. The ratings are clear compared to their previous games despite having better arts.

If you're talking about the votes/stars who cares about those lmao. Never have i ever cared about that when deciding a game to play on here & i can't remember the last time it even mattered. Look at top 5 sorting by likes with ntr tag those top five games have little to no ntr. Looking at the whole first page only like 10 are even good ntr games the rest are meh, little ntr, or sandbox. What are your top ntr games since we have bad taste if we like TTP?

 

[Iexist]

On the one hand, I can understand why some people might be disappointed in TtP. If one's goal when looking up NTR is hard corruption and the like, TtP won't satisfy that craving. It's a very soft VN in a lot of ways. Unfortunately, that's utterly and absolutely inevitable. It's been produced via Patreon as the primary money making platform. As long as that remains the case, there's no way that Azienda will push things. Unless they make a push to get all of their fanbase to relocate to subscribestar, or try to set up a ci-en/Fanbox or something extra and completely abandon Patreon, they're super limited in what they can do.

Of course, if things keep going the way they are, Patreon's gonna nuke all adult content from their platform ANYway... I give it two more years at the most... But that's a whole other conversation.

On the other hand, calling TtP a disappointment in general as if it's objectively bad is quite frankly ridiculous. It might not be some amazing corruption and horror story, but that's like saying that the Lord of the Rings is bad because the Sauron didn't win. It's absurd. You can't classify something as good or bad for purely subjective reasons.

TtP may have its flaws, but as an overall VN, it's very well done and certainly much better than a lot of other works with the NTR label, VN or otherwise. Just look at all the slop from Atelier Sakura and the like if you really want to see mediocre, disappointing, and stuff where the art is usually its only redeeming feature.

Saying that TtP is worse than Misumi is absolutely hilarious and absurd. The Misumi VN was almost completely generic in terms of writing. It only had a single stand-out element to it, and said element was under-utilized and undermined by the fact that Misumi went from zero to turbo-slut waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fast with essentially very little build-up.

 

[Terix3]

Ratings shouldn't be considered as objective metric for comparing games. There are many factors at play that influence the score besides the game actual quality. The main one would be that the more popular game is the harder it is to get high score. A game with poor art can have really high score because the people that are going to play it are the very core audience, those people know what they look for and generally won't even score down the game because of art. While the popular game with good art will attract plenty of randos and more so it will attract people that just want to bring the score down so it has lower score than the game they cheer for.

 

[Zarkhy]

Ratings shouldn't be considered as objective metric for comparing games. There are many factors at play that influence the score besides the game actual quality. The main one would be that the more popular game is the harder it is to get high score. A game with poor art can have really high score because the people that are going to play it are the very core audience, those people know what they look for and generally won't even score down the game because of art. While the popular game with good art will attract plenty of randos and more so it will attract people that just want to bring the score down so it has lower score than the game they cheer for.

And if you actually read through some of the 1 star reviews for this game, they're beyond dumb and unjustified.

 

[dean_athallah]

On the one hand, I can understand why some people might be disappointed in TtP. If one's goal when looking up NTR is hard corruption and the like, TtP won't satisfy that craving. It's a very soft VN in a lot of ways. Unfortunately, that's utterly and absolutely inevitable. It's been produced via Patreon as the primary money making platform. As long as that remains the case, there's no way that Azienda will push things. Unless they make a push to get all of their fanbase to relocate to subscribestar, or try to set up a ci-en/Fanbox or something extra and completely abandon Patreon, they're super limited in what they can do.

Of course, if things keep going the way they are, Patreon's gonna nuke all adult content from their platform ANYway... I give it two more years at the most... But that's a whole other conversation.

Objectively so, this is a dying business. Pack it up soon, find a better hobby that doesnt have to poison yourself.

 

[cowardleech]

And if you actually read through some of the 1 star reviews for this game, they're beyond dumb and unjustified.

Most 1 star reviews are just "too wordy" exposing themselves as 5th grade reading level. The VN is long and dragged out at points but in no way is it "too wordy".

 

[stunnaboygetem.real]

Most 1 star reviews are just "too wordy" exposing themselves as 5th grade reading level. The VN is long and dragged out at points but in no way is it "too wordy".

It is absolutely too wordy. The dialogue doesn't have enough substance to warrant how dragged out it is. The game will use like 15 lines of repetitious dialogue to get a point across that can be done in 2-3 lines. It's like a Persona game.

And this is coming from someone who does like the game, the sections right before Sophie dyes her hair is peak NTR

 

[l_syaw]

It is absolutely too wordy. The dialogue doesn't have enough substance to warrant how dragged out it is. The game will use like 15 lines of repetitious dialogue to get a point across that can be done in 2-3 lines. It's like a Persona game.

Turning the Page suffers from the same thing that plagues Chinese gacha writing. But at least it doesn't come with spyware.

 

[dean_athallah]

Turning the Page suffers from the same thing that plagues Chinese gacha writing. But at least it doesn't come with spyware.

You think so? Their new website is designed so that they knew your email when downloading the game XD

 

[Nefurien]

You think so? Their new website is designed so that they knew your email when downloading the game XD

Devs on Patreon and similar sites can read the email of people who sub by default

 

[sick bastard]

If ya'll into spyware theme and is sitting in tin foil hats right now than must you know the game also does GET JSON requests to https://ttp.azienda.workers.dev URL every 24 hours to check for updates, disclosing your IP, so the dev can arrange missile strikes to all you NTR bastards homes.

 

[Filipis]

If ya'll into spyware theme and is sitting in tin foil hats right now than must you know the game also does GET JSON requests to https://ttp.azienda.workers.dev URL every 24 hours to check for updates, disclosing your IP, so the dev can arrange missile strikes to all you NTR bastards homes.

AVNs connecting to the internet are the same type of bullshit like a washing machine or a fridge "requiring" internet to function.

Azienda just made themselves an enemy with this practice.

 

[Nefurien]

AVNs connecting to the internet are the same type of bullshit like a washing machine or a fridge "requiring" internet to function.

Azienda just made themselves an enemy with this practice.

99% of normal video games connect to the internet for patches and updates, and half of the porn games I play have notifications for new releases in the main menu. How do you think they do that?

Also, games that check for updates don't "require" internet to function, it's usually just to show if a new update is out or for bug fixes. Would be annoying if a game actually required internet to be played. But you can just play games in sandbox mode and you're safe if you're worried about that stuff.

Also, just as random info, every time you visit a website you send a request to the website's server and your IP address in included in that request. The only way you can fight this is going into a forest and playing with rocks. Maybe.

 

[dean_athallah]

AVNs connecting to the internet are the same type of bullshit like a washing machine or a fridge "requiring" internet to function.

Azienda just made themselves an enemy with this practice.

They can simply make a script that hit patreon to check new update, but instead it connects to their cloudflare worker so they can spy on you wanking on a mid ass teacher's corruption.

 

[dean_athallah]

Devs on Patreon and similar sites can read the email of people who sub by default

TIL, i dont even know that. Never been a creator.

 

[Nefurien]

They can simply make a script that hit patreon to check new update, but instead it connects to their cloudflare worker so they can spy on you wanking on a mid ass teacher's corruption.

Every website collects your IP address when you visit it. So, from a privacy perspective, the website owner can already see your IP through the website visits. Adding a check for updates through cloudflare in the game doesn’t really change anything. It’s not like it makes things riskier compared to when you visit a website to download a game in the first place. It’s just normal internet behavior.

 

[Iexist]

Most Ren'Py games try to connect to the Internet in some form or another, for whatever reason. Every single one I've gotten ends up blocked. This includes stuff gotten legitimately from devs and not just f95 downloads. Either because it checks connection to Patreon or whatever, or some other reason. Plenty of Unity games do that too. Newer RPGM checks Internet connection even though it doesn't need it because in some ways it's a glorified browser and depending on how you block its access, it may crash.

In general, lots of stuff accesses the Internet silently even if it doesn't need too.

If it bothers you, get a Firewall of some kind that you trust and block everything you don't need. If you're too lazy to do that, just deal with it. TtP isn't doing some particularly nefarious thing. You get more data stolen every time you use Steam than you do playing TtP.

So stop trying to make this into a big deal, because it's really not.... Sheesh...

 

[dean_athallah]

Every website collects your IP address when you visit it. So, from a privacy perspective, the website owner can already see your IP through the website visits. Adding a check for updates through cloudflare in the game doesn’t really change anything. It’s not like it makes things riskier compared to when you visit a website to download a game in the first place. It’s just normal internet behavior.

Bro, dont talk like we are dumb lol, do you even need to write the first sentence? Seems redundant af. Though I would say, not every website has a log, some has dumb dev too.

I'm just joking about azienda spying on you wankers but didnt expect you to explain the most basic stuff in the universe to us lol

 

[Filipis]

Most Ren'Py games try to connect to the Internet in some form or another, for whatever reason. Every single one I've gotten ends up blocked. This includes stuff gotten legitimately from devs and not just f95 downloads. Either because it checks connection to Patreon or whatever, or some other reason. Plenty of Unity games do that too. Newer RPGM checks Internet connection even though it doesn't need it because in some ways it's a glorified browser and depending on how you block its access, it may crash.

In general, lots of stuff accesses the Internet silently even if it doesn't need too.

If it bothers you, get a Firewall of some kind that you trust and block everything you don't need. If you're too lazy to do that, just deal with it. TtP isn't doing some particularly nefarious thing. You get more data stolen every time you use Steam than you do playing TtP.

So stop trying to make this into a big deal, because it's really not.... Sheesh...

Is this the default behaviour of Ren'py games (meaning, without adding any special code for it), or is it something that is possible (by coding it into the script files of the game)?

 

[Iexist]

Is this the default behaviour of Ren'py games (meaning, without adding any special code for it), or is it something that is possible (by coding it into the script files of the game)?

I honestly don't know for sure, but I suspect some amount of default telemetry might be present. Telemetry is everywhere these days. Thing is, from talking with one dev about it, it seems like if you just put links to your Patreon in the game, or anywhere in general, Ren'Py automatically tries to ping the server to see if it's available at boot even if no one clicks the link. It might be possible to alter that behavior, but most indie devs don't have that kind of know-how. Most pick-up Ren'Py specifically because it's easy to use even if you're not particularly good at coding.

In Azienda's case, the game is intentionally set-up so it can auto-update itself, but it's not particularly hard to block, nor is it hidden. The game literally tells you about it at boot so it's not like they're trying to sneakily mine your data. It's not like the miles of telemetry stuff like Triple A games have hidden behind a metric ton of legalese...