mzer0
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Well, I do it for a living so...I love when someone is able to write a pile of crap in a neat and tidy way that almost ends up seeming to make sense.
Well, I do it for a living so...I love when someone is able to write a pile of crap in a neat and tidy way that almost ends up seeming to make sense.
Wrong! This is what you actually wrote.Actually, I'm criticizing the people who won't let me disagree without turning into little babies about it.
You can disagree all you want, but people might look more favorably upon your critiques if you didn't disparage everyone who posts something in disagreement with your opinions. People who disagree with you are not necessarily "little babies".The real split here is between people who are dispassionate enough to be able to critique the flaws in the story objectively and those who are so invested in it they can only sing it's praises.
I don't care why people disliked this ending. They have their reasons, I only mentioned one of them.Mischaracterization numero dos.
Do you really think people dislike this ending just because it went against their expectations? Because they were surprised? If you read what people have been saying over the past few pages and that's all you managed to take away, then you either lack reading comprehension, or you're arguing in bad faith. I can't help you in either case.
But now, let's move on to the real reason why I'm even bothering to respond to you...
I'm not here give or withdraw approval. I'm here (as on any other game thread) to learn about the game. What I write here will not affect what people think about this game in any way, shape or form.False.
Everyone who has invested anything into a story (whether that be time, money, or both) automatically becomes an 'arbiter' of whether or not that story was well-written.
That means that every single person in this thread who's been following this game for the past 2 years, either begging for a hero every month or supporting it on patreon, is completely entitled to call the writing shit or Shakespeare as they see it. It's their right.
Some choose to exercise that right, others don't. The problem that some of you appear to be having is that there are people exercising in it in a way you don't approve of.
Thank god we don't need your approval.![]()
Breadtuber spottedthen you either lack reading comprehension, or you're arguing in bad faith. I can't help you in either case.![]()
-She ended up in happy relationship with a sociopath, this is the biggest depraved thing she's done, concidering most of the late game scenes were boring by H and NTR story standarts.- what are the most depraved things sophie has done so far?
- rate her corrupted form vs normal out of 10.
We only have her and Felix's perspectives to go by. Readers could see her as an unreliable narrator, discounting her version of events as distorted, idealistic, and largely false. I don't this was the author's intent, but it would be interesting if the writing included clear incongruities to better demonstrate it. We just have Zach's sadistic messages to Felix to demonstrate Zach is still an awful person, a far cry from the ideal father and husband Sophie's ending depicts him as.-She ended up in happy relationship with a sociopath, this is the biggest depraved thing she's done, concidering most of the late game scenes were boring by H and NTR story standarts.
-It's hard to call her corrupted at this ending tbh, she always was just a hypocrite bitch.![]()
I think there are signs that he falls in love with Sophie although at first it wasn't his idea. At one point he stops seeing other girls, including Anny. I think the hunter was hunted in this endingTo those who hated this ending, let me ask you: If we were given a Zack's POV showing that he is, in fact, falling in love with Sophie as much as she is falling for him, would you be satisfied, or, do you think that given his role as the antagonist in a NTR story he must remain a heartless womanizer because that is what he was depicted at the beginning?
In no moment Zack showed signs of falling for her at every chance he goes to corrupt sophie even to the extent of Humiliating felix for some cheap thrills and even after getting a great life and kids he tormenting felix with those cheap dirty photos of his wife like some kinda Trophy so it just seem like "see i stole your wife and life" nothing more than that no love just a trophy he stoleTo those who hated this ending, let me ask you: If we were given a Zack's POV showing that he is, in fact, falling in love with Sophie as much as she is falling for him, would you be satisfied, or, do you think that given his role as the antagonist in a NTR story he must remain a heartless womanizer because that is what he was depicted at the beginning?
Ok, but remember, our view of things is biased, because we have access to Felix and Sophie's thoughts but not Zack's. We can only infer to a certain extent what may be his "true thoughts/feelings". So any jugdment about Zack loving Sophie being unbelievable or not is merely subjective opinion, things like he humiliating Felix are of no consequence, because human beings are complicated and he might love Sophie while still being an immature asshole. That is why I propose this thought experiment, would you accept his love for Sophie as being genuine if you saw his POV, or are you adamant that is not possible?In no moment Zack showed signs of falling for her at every chance he goes to corrupt sophie even to the extent of Humiliating felix for some cheap thrills and even after getting a great life and kids he tormenting felix with those cheap dirty photos of his wife like some kinda Trophy so it just seem like "see i stole your wife and life" nothing more than that no love just a trophy he stole
The worst thing for me is not that Zack fell in love (although I don't like it), what I really don't like about this game, not just the ending, is Felix's personality, for me it takes away any sense of reality from the story. This kind of netorare game where the protagonist is extremely stupid and doesn't notice any of the signs are very bad for me and signs of lazy writing because the author just needs to draw sex scenes and that's it "the MC is very innocent/stupid so it's okay for the woman to spend 90% of her time with another guy"To those who hated this ending, let me ask you: If we were given a Zack's POV showing that he is, in fact, falling in love with Sophie as much as she is falling for him, would you be satisfied, or, do you think that given his role as the antagonist in a NTR story he must remain a heartless womanizer because that is what he was depicted at the beginning?
Okay, regarding the issue of Felix's extreme naivete. I wonder if the story could have worked better if instead of a rational STEM guy, Felix was more of a humanities guy maybe teaching english literature or something, contrasting with the more cold and rational approach of Sophie. That way, you could depict Felix as this sort of hopeless romantic type of guy, the one that only sees the best in people and would never dream of such betrayal. That way, I believe, would help justify his "blindness".The worst thing for me is not that Zack fell in love (although I don't like it), what I really don't like about this game, not just the ending, is Felix's personality, for me it takes away any sense of reality from the story. This kind of netorare game where the protagonist is extremely stupid and doesn't notice any of the signs are very bad for me and signs of lazy writing because the author just needs to draw sex scenes and that's it "the MC is very innocent/stupid so it's okay for the woman to spend 90% of her time with another guy"
Well, I do it for a living so...![]()
Actually, I'm criticizing the people who won't let me disagree without turning into little babies about it.
Mischaracterization numero dos.
Do you really think people dislike this ending just because it went against their expectations? Because they were surprised? If you read what people have been saying over the past few pages and that's all you managed to take away, then you either lack reading comprehension, or you're arguing in bad faith. I can't help you in either case.
But now, let's move on to the real reason why I'm even bothering to respond to you...
False.
Everyone who has invested anything into a story (whether that be time, money, or both) automatically becomes an 'arbiter' of whether or not that story was well-written.
That means that every single person in this thread who's been following this game for the past 2 years, either begging for a hero every month or supporting it on patreon, is completely entitled to call the writing shit or Shakespeare as they see it. It's their right.
Some choose to exercise that right, others don't. The problem that some of you appear to be having is that there are people exercising in it in a way you don't approve of.
Thank god we don't need your approval.![]()
Wrong! This is what you actually wrote.
You can disagree all you want, but people might look more favorably upon your critiques if you didn't disparage everyone who posts something in disagreement with your opinions. People who disagree with you are not necessarily "little babies".
I don't care why people disliked this ending. They have their reasons, I only mentioned one of them.
I'm not here give or withdraw approval. I'm here (as on any other game thread) to learn about the game. What I write here will not affect what people think about this game in any way, shape or form.
As for everyone being an 'arbiter'... what a laugh. An 'arbiter' has the power to decide the truth of a matter. That's what an arbiter does, by definition. There is no 'truth' here, only subjective opinion.
Everybody here has the right to express their opinion. That's what this forum is for. Criticism is fine. As one reads the back and forth between sides of an argument, one can get a sense of the issue and perhaps form one's own opinion.
But, you are acting like you are the world's foremost authority on this game, which I hardly believe is the case.
I would have preferred if we were able to do something more than what just happened.This vn fell off big time for me, Felix hasn't learned or done anything at all besides being the passive beta loser. He didn't even bother doing anything so his presence was too week to make the netorare fun to the point where I started to just skip many of the scenes because they got so boring and predictable. Hope next VN is better. Husband ntr is my least liked genre so hopefully we get something different.