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VN Ren'Py Twelve Faces [Demo 2] [Jonny91]

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Should I do a character / scenes revamp


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gregers

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Dec 9, 2018
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Choices have limited impact currently, but add to stats that may matter more as the game go on.

For now, the two female characters have a "love" stat, and seem to have opposing preferences: Choices that increase the stat of one character will often decrease that of the other. It is unclear whether they measure the MC's attraction to the women or their attraction to him, or both.

Neither relationship is avoidable for now: There are sex scenes with both, both happening without any input from the player. The MC will say that he could see himself spending the rest of his life with one woman in one scene, then that he's fonder of the other in another, without any rhyme or reason.


The more attractive of the two women is initially presented as dominant, with the MC turning into a stuttering fool in her presence at first. (It doesn't affect her sex scene though.) The other woman outright tells him she prefers to be a sub:
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The MC has two contrasting personality stats for being "gentle" or a "creep": Creepy choices like sniffing panties or coming on to dead-drunk women will add to the creep stat, and vice versa for not doing so adding to gentle.


The opening from the omniscient narrator sets a clear expectation for how the MC will turn out:
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The MC's desk setup gives me a vicarious pain in the neck.
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Choices aren't always entirely clear, like the top option here making the MC tell the woman he's talking to that he's going on a date with someone else.
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(The love stat for the other woman, who's nowhere within earshot, will go up as a result, while the bottom choice increases that stat for the woman he's talking to.)


There are a few mix-up in the names. Here Linda (l) gets to say Eileen's (e) lines:
Python:
    c "Uhm, hey Eileen!"
    c "I'm calling you regarding today's date"
    scene v11 with dissolve
    l "Hey [c]! What happened? "
    c "Well, something came up, so I will have to ask you for a raincheck on that second date..."
    l "Uhm...okay, a bit unexpected but, okay, thanks for calling!"
    scene v13 with dissolve
    c "Yeah, really sorry! Talk to you on Monday?"
    l "Sure...I guess we'll talk on Monday..."
    scene v11 with dissolve
    c "Ok, bye!"
There the MC calls Eileen to cancel their date. The next day he'll tell her it was the other way around:
Python:
            c "Well, honestly speaking, she invited me for a date last evening..."
            c "And since you called in, saying you need to cancel..."

There's potential here, but for now the game seems undecided on whether to be a kinetic novel or a branching story where choices matter. Some tightening up the flow and more responsiveness to the player's choices would probably help.


(I realize I haven't said anything about the plot as such, so just want to acknowledge that there is a plot, which is always nice, trying to build up suspense early on and ending on a cliffhanger. Some of the plot threads seem likely to be the reddest of red herrings, but we'll see how she develops.)
 
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Jonny91

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Nov 7, 2024
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Choices have limited impact currently, but add to stats that may matter more as the game go on.

For now, the two female characters have a "love" stat, and seem to have opposing preferences: Choices that increase the stat of one character will often decrease that of the other. It is unclear whether they measure the MC's attraction to the women or their attraction to him, or both.

Neither relationship is avoidable for now: There are sex scenes with both, both happening without any input from the player. The MC will say that he could see himself spending the rest of his life with one woman in one scene, then that he's fonder of the other in another, without any rhyme or reason.


The more attractive of the two women is initially presented as dominant, with the MC turning into a stuttering fool in her presence at first. (It doesn't affect her sex scene though.) The other woman outright tells him she prefers to be a sub:
View attachment 4347879


The MC has two contrasting personality stats for being "gentle" or a "creep": Creepy choices like sniffing panties or coming on to dead-drunk women will add to the creep stat, and vice versa for not doing so adding to gentle.


The opening from the omniscient narrator sets a clear expectation for how the MC will turn out:
View attachment 4347750


The MC's desk setup gives me a vicarious pain in the neck.
View attachment 4347766


Choices aren't always entirely clear, like the top option here making the MC tell the woman he's talking to that he's going on a date with someone else.
View attachment 4347768
(The love stat for the other woman, who's nowhere within earshot, will go up as a result, while the bottom choice increases that stat for the woman he's talking to.)


There are a few mix-up in the names. Here Linda (l) gets to say Eileen's (e) lines:
Python:
    c "Uhm, hey Eileen!"
    c "I'm calling you regarding today's date"
    scene v11 with dissolve
    l "Hey [c]! What happened? "
    c "Well, something came up, so I will have to ask you for a raincheck on that second date..."
    l "Uhm...okay, a bit unexpected but, okay, thanks for calling!"
    scene v13 with dissolve
    c "Yeah, really sorry! Talk to you on Monday?"
    l "Sure...I guess we'll talk on Monday..."
    scene v11 with dissolve
    c "Ok, bye!"
There the MC calls Eileen to cancel their date. The next day he'll tell her it was the other way around:
Python:
            c "Well, honestly speaking, she invited me for a date last evening..."
            c "And since you called in, saying you need to cancel..."

There's potential here, but for now the game seems undecided on whether to be a kinetic novel or a branching story where choices matter. Some tightening up the flow and more responsiveness to the player's choices would probably help.


(I realize I haven't said anything about the plot as such, so just want to acknowledge that there is a plot, which is always nice, trying to build up suspense early on and ending on a cliffhanger. Some of the plot threads seem likely to be the reddest of red herrings, but we'll see how she develops.)
This is the best type of reply I can get. Thank you!

Just to make it a bit clearer I will lay here part of the plan and also do's and dont's for this and any of my future games:

- Choices will not be affecting main plot, but it will lead to a different ending and also give access to specific replayable activities in the future. Next update will focus on continuing the story but the one after will be about this special activities accessible based on previous and future choices.

- I will not be adding "frowned upon" content like rape / incest but will contain NTR and Harem in future updates. BSDM is also in plan.

- I considered this as DEMO 2 as I was, since the beginning, planning for a more consistent DEMO.

Sadly I cannot always find the time I would need to reach my own goals and sometimes I rush it and lose focus on some details. But I appreciate comments like the one from gregers as it makes it easier for me to correct my mistakes.

Thank you for bearing with me, I'm new to game development and trying to improve, update by update!
 

Jonny91

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Nov 7, 2024
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As I am not very happy myself on the quality of scenes and characters I raised a poll to help reach a decision if a revamp is actually needed or if the quality is good as it is so far. Main point will be that a quality update will result in a delayed content update but should improve overall gameplay.
 

Beast Within

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will contain NTR and Harem in future updates
I strongly advise you to roam around a bit to see how these two combined end up. if you think these two combined is not universaly "frowned upon" then you are in for a very unpleasant surprise.

I will take my leave. I suspect that even with the eventual removal of the crappy tag, this game will have lots of technicalities to hide it in.

merry holidays
 

gregers

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Dec 9, 2018
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- I will not be adding "frowned upon" content like rape / incest but will contain NTR and Harem in future updates. BSDM is also in plan.
You may want to add this as "Planned content" under the Genre spoiler in the OP, in order to cut down on people getting pissy in the comments.

As I am not very happy myself on the quality of scenes and characters I raised a poll to help reach a decision if a revamp is actually needed or if the quality is good as it is so far. Main point will be that a quality update will result in a delayed content update but should improve overall gameplay.
Visually, I think what you have is mostly fine if unspectacular, apart from Eileen's face being somewhat off. A complete visual makeover might not be the best use of your time unless it leads to remarkable improvements, but it may be worth working on her model a little and just replacing the specific renders that show her face (a more manageable task).

If you want player choice to have greater impact, e.g. making some scenes avoidable, that's a different matter. That could be worth rewriting the demo to accomodate, in order not to turn new players away when they reach the first forced sex scene.
 

Jonny91

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Nov 7, 2024
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Eileenrevamp.jpg

This would be an Eileen revamp to support the poll. I am considering changing only Eileen at this moment, this way I can continue with the content updates sooner.
 

SamualHand

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May 4, 2018
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I hope NTR is avoidable and in the form: "disable it at game start and never know it exists again".
You will know it exits as you deactivated it at the start, so you know NTR is happening in the background. But it's not shown to you! You have to activate it, to confirm what happens and then complain about the NTR! NTR can only be made invisible but it's still there, it's still in the code. The images and animations still exist on your harddrive, so it's happening, somewhere! Maybe only in your imagination.... who knows! Better get the "Blitzdings" treatment so you can forget.... and remember:
 
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