UK age verification laws. Question to the admins.

LazerShark

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Hello. As you might be aware, the uk has recently passed new laws regarding age verification when accessing porn on the internet. All sites are required to verify age through id documents. These laws are not only stupid, dangerous, and ineffective, they are a serious violation of our internet freedom, and most importantly, of our human rights in regards to privacy. In the past week, many porn sites and mainstream social media have started enforcing this age verification through id. I never thought things would reach this point, what has society come to (not just the porn, requiring id to access stuff online)? The rest of Europe might also follow suit, or some countries at least. But whatever, I have a question to the admins of this site:
What will be your decision? Are you going to follow the law and start requiring id for your uk userbase? Are you going to tell the uk government to fuck off and keep hosting the site as is (until they ban you, but it's small enough it might fly under the radar)? Are you going to just close the site for uk users? I know this is a pirate site at the end of the day, so who cares about rules, but it's also the most popular porn game forum, and with the way things have been going with the internet, you just never know. I would just like to ask the admins, please, please, let it be the last two choices, either leave the site open or don't close it. Please don't start asking for our ids. That would be awful. Yes, many people will just use fake ones, and it's easy, and you could use a dodgy method that anyone can bypass, but by complying with this law you are saying that it's ok for the government to regulate our internet usage and that it's ok to have any personal internet activity tied to a personal identity. This is just wrong, you know? I'm sorry if this is not the right forum, I don't know where would be appropriate to post this. I would also like to turn this thread into a discussion, between users, of these new laws, the steps we can take to repeal them, and what we can do to avoid their spread into the rest of Europe.
 

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I don't think F95 will even consider to comply with this. I mean, come on, Sam don't have enough people to even pull the site update, much less he will afford an expensive-as-hell verification system for UK, so the site will continue as is.
 

suprisedcrankyface

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Anyone else find it kind of funny how hilariously unenforceable this thing is? You're really going to try and fine EVERY site that doesn't comply? I'm not sure they know how the internet works. :LOL:
It is to a degree, but they didn't do any groundwork... For me the solution is an app you get from your gov body that generates a 1 time key (basically mimic how banks do it) so you remain anonymous to the site itself (in so far as you dont send actual ID). BUT that makes sense, so its the last thing I expect
 

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It is to a degree, but they didn't do any groundwork... For me the solution is an app you get from your gov body that generates a 1 time key (basically mimic how banks do it) so you remain anonymous to the site itself (in so far as you dont send actual ID). BUT that makes sense, so its the last thing I expect
I've seen several solutions that make much more sense. Well, they make more sense if your goal is actually protecting kids, but we all know the UK government doesn't actually care about that.
  1. Device-level age verification
  2. UK fucking off
  3. Opt-in to allow adult content for ISPs
  4. Giving parents resources to learn about the internet
  5. Parents actually watching their kid
  6. UK fucking off
  7. Under 18 devices (phones laptops) that disable access
  8. UK fucking off
 

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Parents actually watching their kid
This one I think gets overplayed - if parents watched their kids 24/7 that would fuck them up, your mom monitoring EVERYTHING in your life? Independence is important, and its fair to ask for a 'safe' playground to put the kids in. But, that doesn't mean burning everything that is unsafe that over 18+ enjoy. That, and not all parents are good & people want to punish the child for that...

Unfortunately there seem to be two main (at least vocally) camps 'dont censor anything' & 'censor everything'. Used to be no issue getting ID'd at a porn shop because they didn't photograph and store that information indefinitely. Now doing that and storing that info is a honeypot for bad actors.

TO be perfectly honest the greatest damage the UK just totally ignored - teams of physiological experts working out the best ways to addict a child to a product in order to sell shit & increase 'screen time'. Porn is visible & easy to point at, but that is insidious and would take effort. So porn they target.
 
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This one I think gets overplayed - if parents watched their kids 24/7 that would fuck them up, your mom monitoring EVERYTHING in your life? Independence is important, and its fair to ask for a 'safe' playground to put the kids in. But, that doesn't mean burning everything that is unsafe that over 18+ enjoy. That, and not all parents are good & people want to punish the child for that...

Unfortunately there seem to be two main (at least vocally) camps 'dont censor anything' & 'censor everything'. Used to be no issue getting ID'd at a porn shop because they didn't photograph and store that information indefinitely. Now doing that and storing that info is a honeypot for bad actors.

TO be perfectly honest the greatest damage the UK just totally ignored - teams of physiological experts working out the best ways to addict a child to a product in order to sell shit & increase 'screen time'. Porn is visible & easy to point at, but that is insidious and would take effort. So porn they target.
Overplayed? Possibly. Is there too many parents that just hand their kid an ipad and let that raise them? Definitely.
 

suprisedcrankyface

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Overplayed? Possibly. Is there too many parents that just hand their kid an ipad and let that raise them? Definitely.
Yes, but there are also many parents trying to do the right thing. And that gets hard when there are not clear markers between over & under 18. That girl who liked drama and dance, grew up had a kid - she doesnt know about steam, or games. Too many people see ignorance as intentionally not caring - its hard to educate yourself on some topics, particularly when the extreme takes on everything sell and so are the default reporting.

"Angry parents wont necessarily monitor their kids better, but they WILL click on our news article...."
 

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Yes, but there are also many parents trying to do the right thing. And that gets hard when there are not clear markers between over & under 18. That girl who liked drama and dance, grew up had a kid - she doesnt know about steam, or games. Too many people see ignorance as intentionally not caring - its hard to educate yourself on some topics, particularly when the extreme takes on everything sell and so are the default reporting.

Angry parents wont necessarily monitor their kids better, but they WILL click on our news article....
Would this not fall under the "Give parents the resources to learn about the internet" solution? :unsure:
 

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Would this not fall under the "Give parents the resources to learn about the internet" solution? :unsure:
Sort of, but learn what? Most parents today grew up with the internet. Its the dishonesty at every turn that's the issue, from reporting, to trying to get some easy votes, to people intentionally selling what they shouldn't.

'The internet is a dangerous place' is already known, that's why youtube kids was good, and I think if steams stock adult games they should also have a child friendly version (not just hide them in the store).

I suppose what I am saying is education is only half the battle, that education needs to lead a parent to a 'safe' solution not just panic, so those safe options need to be available to be educated of (within reason, you shouldn't have to master a platform to childproof it) .We are in some ways getting better at it and others worse.

EDIT: not disagreeing with you, but what information would fix the presented problem. I think its a combination of simple tools, then teaching how to use them.
 
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I've seen several solutions that make much more sense. Well, they make more sense if your goal is actually protecting kids, but we all know the UK government doesn't actually care about that.
  1. Device-level age verification
  2. UK fucking off
  3. Opt-in to allow adult content for ISPs
  4. Giving parents resources to learn about the internet
  5. Parents actually watching their kid
  6. UK fucking off
  7. Under 18 devices (phones laptops) that disable access
  8. UK fucking off
Have you thought about UK fucking off?

Would this not fall under the "Give parents the resources to learn about the internet" solution? :unsure:
The internet is for porn.
Parents would have to be really dumb to think they can't get porn from various piracy sites.
So the answer is no internet until they come of age.
 
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I suppose what I am saying is education is only half the battle, that education needs to lead a parent to a 'safe' solution not just panic, so those safe options need to be available to be educated of (within reason, you shouldn't have to master a platform to childproof it) .We are in some ways getting better at it and others worse.
Fair enough. I think we can both agree that the "solution" the UK went with was just about the dumbest way to go about it, and massive overreach.
 

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Fair enough. I think we can both agree that the "solution" the UK went with was just about the dumbest way to go about it, and massive overreach.
haha for shit sure, thats not a tool, thats attempting to childproof the sun. The education works when you raise awareness of both the issue, and the solution. Just raising the issue is what the media loves to do to cause panic & get views.

The internet is for porn.
It is also required to catch a bus in most developed nations now. This argument died long ago.
 
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The biggest protection on the internet for minors is anonymity.
Once that is gone it will be open season for predators.
Of course that is precisly what they want.
Because the light of day is exactly what predators want??? WTF you smoking there bud.