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UK age verification laws. Question to the admins.

RiffRaff0682

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I doubt that VPNs based outside the UK would comply if the UK passed a law requiring age verification on VPNs.

In such a case, the British government could try to block those VPNs or cut them off from payments from the UK, but that's all they can try. I don't think the British authorities have the power to enforce any fines abroad outside British jurisdiction if the company does not have affiliates in the UK.
They'd find it massively tricky at the least. Given the fines are something 18 million or 10% of global turnover, whichever is higher, the punishments are squarely aimed at the multinational big tech companies. Doubt they'd be able to enforce that unless their are some very specific treaties that allow them to go beyond their boarders.

Just means that 'legit'* sites that can't afford the cost just block the UK or they shut down.

* legit as in a non pirate site or site with more mainstream topics
 

TSSG59

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I doubt that VPNs based outside the UK would comply if the UK passed a law requiring age verification on VPNs.

In such a case, the British government could try to block those VPNs or cut them off from payments from the UK, but that's all they can try. I don't think the British authorities have the power to enforce any fines abroad outside British jurisdiction if the company does not have affiliates in the UK.
They won't need to, given the present situation where they have a special unit to monitor anyone's internet usage they will target the user.
They will either block your internet and possibly issue a big fine for failing to comply with their new laws, maybe even push for a prison sentence.
The government has already made it clear they consider anyone who fails to comply with their age verification law to be a dangerous right wing extremist and a danger to children.
Rather ironic for a government that protects rape gangs and refers to the victims, some as young as 12 years of age, as "little sluts".

At least Vance has stopped them accessing peoples Apple data according to one report.
 
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RiffRaff0682

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They won't need to, given the present situation where they have a special unit to monitor anyone's internet usage they will target the user.
They will either block your internet and possibly issue a big fine for failing to comply with their new laws, maybe even push for a prison sentence.
The government has already made it clear they consider anyone who fails to comply with their age verification law to be a dangerous right wing extremist and a danger to children.
Rather ironic for a government that protects rape gangs and refers to the victims, some as young as 12 years of age, as "little sluts".

At least Vance has stopped them accessing peoples Apple data according to one report.
The provisions for targeting users are quite limited, there are plenty of existing laws to do that already. (beyond scope of thread)

Companies will get big fines, more likely to be successful in conjunction with another act that once its passed will make it easier to charge corporations with criminal acts.

The Government never had access to peoples apple date. They tried to get access and Apple went to the courts, then withdrew their encrypted cloud data service from the UK. (Rightly so). All Vance did was apply pressure for the UK to drop the matter, and we aren't sure if that has worked because no one can talk about the 'order' that tried to force Apple to break its own encryption.

As to the secret internet watcher thing, still waiting on more solid details to come out.

Our Government, Like all labour governments before them, are big on Nanny State and taking control of well... everything. They took an already awful piece of legislation that the Tories where forming and made it worse.
 

joecoe

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They won't need to, given the present situation where they have a special unit to monitor anyone's internet usage they will target the user.
They will either block your internet and possibly issue a big fine for failing to comply with their new laws, maybe even push for a prison sentence.
The government has already made it clear they consider anyone who fails to comply with their age verification law to be a dangerous right wing extremist and a danger to children.
Rather ironic for a government that protects rape gangs and refers to the victims, some as young as 12 years of age, as "little sluts".

At least Vance has stopped them accessing peoples Apple data according to one report.
Bypassing age verification is not illegal in the UK... yet. What is illegal is running adult websites without age verification.
 
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RiffRaff0682

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Bypassing age verification is not illegal in the UK... yet. What is illegal is running adult websites without age verification.
If they tried banning VPNs they'll have a really hard time, Businesses will Lobby them into the ground.
Even banning Domestic, considering there are many small 1 person businesses that run out of their own home and might have 'legitmate' usage for a VPN. I can't see that happening, it would be a nightmare.
 

suprisedcrankyface

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If they tried banning VPNs they'll have a really hard time, Businesses will Lobby them into the ground.
Even banning Domestic, considering there are many small 1 person businesses that run out of their own home and might have 'legitmate' usage for a VPN. I can't see that happening, it would be a nightmare.
Doubt they would ban them outright, but would imagine they are considering approved or licensed providers
 

joecoe

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Doubt they would ban them outright, but would imagine they are considering approved or licensed providers
On the other hand, why would a VPN provider based, say, in Switzerland, which has no branch in the UK, care whether their VPN is licensed in the UK? If Ofcom threatens them with a fine, the response could be:

"Dear Ofcom officials,

Switzerland is outside British jurisdiction, so we have decided to ignore the Online Safety Act. We kindly ask you to go fuck yourselves."

Sincerely,

VPN provider XY"
 

Middling Emu

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On the other hand, why would a VPN provider based, say, in Switzerland, which has no branch in the UK, care whether their VPN is licensed in the UK? If Ofcom threatens them with a fine, the response could be:

"Dear Ofcom officials,

Switzerland is outside British jurisdiction, so we have decided to ignore the Online Safety Act. We kindly ask you to go fuck yourselves."

Sincerely,

VPN provider XY"
The trouble is that ALL governments want control of what their people can see and say. Even the Swiss. So they'll happily work together on things such as censorship, by leaning on companies providing products to circumvent it.
 
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The trouble is that ALL governments want control of what their people can see and say. Even the Swiss. So they'll happily work together on things such as censorship, by leaning on companies providing products to circumvent it.
The truth is that the vast majority of governments want something like this, but some countries have stronger constitutional protections for freedom of speech and privacy rights than others.

And such countries are our hope.
 
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Middling Emu

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Yes, but most governments are absolutely in support of freedom of expression, except for those who say things that they don't like. People don't seem to care, or don't seem to get it. A woman told me online that I had freedom of speech, but of course I might be jailed for what I said afterwards. I think it was Idi Amin who said something like "Your freedom of speech is guaranteed, but your freedom is not guaranteed afterwards". Others call me a nazi for supporting offensive speech. These people are loonies, but there are so many of them!

The USA seems to be the only one standing by its constitution these days.
 
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Middling Emu

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A lot of US states already have exactly the same age verification laws .. Texas and Florida for example.
Yes, I'm aware. But age verification need not impact freedom of expression - unless, of course, that's what governments want it to do. In Texas and Florida you can still say stuff that would see you risking jail in much of Europe.
 

RiffRaff0682

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Yes, but most governments are absolutely in support of freedom of expression, except for those who say things that they don't like. People don't seem to care, or don't seem to get it. A woman told me online that I had freedom of speech, but of course I might be jailed for what I said afterwards. I think it was Idi Amin who said something like "Your freedom of speech is guaranteed, but your freedom is not guaranteed afterwards". Others call me a nazi for supporting offensive speech. These people are loonies, but there are so many of them!

The USA seems to be the only one standing by its constitution these days.
Can't speak for other European countries as I am ignorant of the facts. But the UK does not have a written constitution. Its all based on precedent and our body of law. Will be the same for other countries without written constitutions.

Though in the case of the US, it seems it doesn't matter where you are on the political spectrum, trying to fuck with the Constitution is basically political suicide.
 

Middling Emu

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Yep, that's why the UK needs a written constitution badly right now. One similar to the US one would be nice, plain language and not filled with caveats!
 
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Orgitas

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Yep, that's why the UK needs a written constitution badly right now. One similar to the US one would be nice, plain language and not filled with caveats!

We, essentially, do. English Common Law. I would not, willingly, opt for a codified system. Be taking two steps backward as it takes forever to get anything changed in a codified system.
 

Anon4321

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What we feared the most
Age Verification Company Exposes User Data, Reinforcing Privacy Fears Over Digital ID Systems
 
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imsorry3

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What we feared the most
Age Verification Company Exposes User Data, Reinforcing Privacy Fears Over Digital ID Systems
No surprise, really.
Maybe, and I stress maybe, if we had an overwhelming amount of leaks, people would finally start doing the math.
But honestly, even that might not be enough to stop this whole maneuver.
 
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