RandyPhoenix

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What have your interactions with Nikki been so far? Have you been interacting with her on social media? Have you been texting/messaging with her? Did she ask you help her move things at her studio? Did she ask you to model for her?
I found reason... I was though why i dont have her contact and why she dont care about me and its tunrout i didn't talk with her in party... But even in my save file which is same place she stand she is not there :D I was playing since first versions and i gues she wasnt there in my old save... I'm literaly need to start from begining for this LMAO -_-


You know what got me wondering the most? This:


If you carefully read all the dialogues and all texts playing on screen, correctly make choices you're offered to make, interact with a character in all available ways, have a step-by-step guide at hand, after all... Then how do you manage to miss a character you have your eye on? You can do this only in one case, if you ignored any or all of the above conditions at once.
Thats why im thinking it could be bug or someting like staying with kim in bathroom or someting like that effected, because i play all games with walkthrough and do everyting they told for getting things i want (paths/scenes etc)

And i found why... God dammit... What a amazing reason...
 
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Isn't it possible to embedded the extra scenes of the extended version directly into the game flow?
I honestly don't understand why you have to interrupt the normal course of the game to see them, because in the end there are always "extended" scenes (as the version suggests) to scenes already contained in the game flow.

So why separately?

I confess that I have no idea about coding, but it can't really be that difficult.
In the end it can only be something "renpy compliant" like
"If extended version = true -> then play extended content"

Or am I so wrong?
 

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Isn't it possible to embedded the extra scenes of the extended version directly into the game flow?
I honestly don't understand why you have to interrupt the normal course of the game to see them, because in the end there are always "extended" scenes (as the version suggests) to scenes already contained in the game flow.
@DreamNow Extra scenes are canon by chance? Like they are canon but future canon or someting? Or they are completly non-canon?
The extended scenes are NOT canon. They are "what-if" scenarios. This is why they can't be just "tagged on" to the end of the basic version scene. The basic version is the canon version. The extended version is a spicy extra.

Sometimes, the extended version might telegraph a future development. For example, I believe the extended version of the Carol hotel date scene included anal while in the canon story, they didn't do anal until several updates later. I have no idea if this is intentional on DreamNow's part or just a coincidence. I mean it's a porn game. It's not huge leap to think that a couple might get to butt stuff eventually. :sneaky:
 

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Isn't it possible to embedded the extra scenes of the extended version directly into the game flow?
I honestly don't understand why you have to interrupt the normal course of the game to see them, because in the end there are always "extended" scenes (as the version suggests) to scenes already contained in the game flow.
Extra scenes are not part of the canonical story, so they cannot be included in the main narrative. Even if I do this and even somehow point out that there will be an extra part now and this is not canon, it will still mislead most of the players.
DreamNow Extra scenes are canon by chance? Like they are canon but future canon or someting? Or they are completly non-canon?
Extra scenes are not canon.

As Glooskabe has already explained, these events show some alternative way of the story that could happen under certain circumstances (most often such a circumstance is the increased horniness and lust of girls).

Although there are a few extra scenes that I could include in the category of "the very close to the canon" (an alternative ending of the first night with Roxy, sex with Roxy in the morning after that night, a morning blowjob from Kim and maybe something else). But in any case, there are certain reasons why these events or parts of them are not canonical.

In many cases, extra scenes give you little hints about what might happen in the future (again, as Glooskabe noted about Carol's enthusiasm with butt stuff). Sometimes they just give you a chance to look a little ahead of the story. For example, an alternative shower scene with Sara after a picnic. Obviously, no such way Sara would have agreed to such a step at that moment. She's not so fast and liberated in her actions. But we're all well aware that sooner or later, sex with Sara will happen in the canonical narrative anyway. So this is just a small teaser for Sara's fans (but maybe some of you don't like such spoilers, so sorry about that).

Similarly with the extra scene with Carol during the first date. I think it's obvious to many that in the canonical story, Carol would never have offered the MC to eat her ass on the first date. Especially in such a slightly dominant and demanding form. I know it would be exciting but I try to stick to realism as much as possible, so this scene has gone into the category of "extra" events. This scene simply shows the event under the condition of "what-if". But nevertheless, as you have already realized, in the current stage of the canon story Carol doesn't mind trying something like this. So in this case, this extra event also became a kind of sneak peek for the further development of the canon story and also revealed to you Carol's little secret before you know about it in the canon.

But this doesn't mean that all extra events have some hidden meaning or hint. Sometimes it's just more wild sex or something compared with the canon version :love:
 
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Now that the thread has your attention I want to ask, how far are you with implementing the harem path?
Not so far, because it's too early to implement this path (it would be a bit illogical to build such a storyline right now). Even some initial parts of it.

For now, I'm fully focusing on the stories of girls and on the smooth introduction of some love triangles (at least one of them you've probably already guessed). Perhaps when I deal with a couple of threesomes, I'll be able to form some outlines of their further merger in the harem.

But! MAYBE in the coming months, you can see something from the harem theme in the extra scene.
 

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Not so far, because it's too early to implement this path (it would be a bit illogical to build such a storyline right now). Even some initial parts of it.

For now, I'm fully focusing on the stories of girls and on the smooth introduction of some love triangles (at least one of them you've probably already guessed). Perhaps when I deal with a couple of threesomes, I'll be able to form some outlines of their further merger in the harem.

But! MAYBE in the coming months, you can see something from the harem theme in the extra scene.
I actually have no idea where the story is at this point because I stopped playing with I think it was 0.3.5 because I wanted to wait for the harem route and the update had some things that I didn't like (femdom) so it made a natural stopping point for me.
 

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I actually have no idea where the story is at this point because I stopped playing with I think it was 0.3.5 because I wanted to wait for the harem route and the update had some things that I didn't like (femdom) so it made a natural stopping point for me.
Even though the harem route isn't in the game yet, you don't need to choose a girl and stick to her path. You can still develop a relationship with each of the girls without consequences.
 

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Even though the harem route isn't in the game yet, you don't need to choose a girl and stick to her path. You can still develop a relationship with each of the girls without consequences.
That sort of depends. For example if you go all-in Rachel then no Emma for you, etc, so there's a few ultimatums in there.
 

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I try to stay away from all this, but for that matter...

After a bunch of narcissistic messages about how good you are at coding (indirectly, of course) and about my scripts being a piece of shit, you apparently didn't get the desired answer (or what else you wanted) and just tried to accuse me of stealing some code? Seriously, huh?

I have always positively spoken about all modders, translators, porters (whether they are official or not), and other guys. I'm pleased that someone cares about my game and wants to make it better or adapt it to a non-English player. And you really think I'm just "ripped" code from those guys?
(Although I won't hide that when creating my game, I based it on scripts from many other games. But that's not the point right now. And I also won't hide that it sometimes annoys when players write to me asking to solve their problems with some mods or try to distribute it on the discord server.)
Well, it is the point. I brought up the concern here months ago asking for detail and certainly not trolling as the moderated delete post states. Also, I never called your scripts “shit”. I said they were unorthodox, and your post explains why from “basing” code from multiple sources.

Those months ago, I was finalizing a public release that would have only potentially benefited your project and certainly not myself (considering it would potentially bring new eyeballs to your release and that I’ve never accepted a single penny for any of mine). After noting that features of previously listed mods here found their way into the base scripts with almost identical coding methods I asked for clarification, publicly, as it was a valid concern before releasing my work for obvious reasons. If you don’t see the merit of that then your post is rather hypocritical regarding modders (the only “lucky coincidence” here is this plausible deniability you mentioned) and makes me even more gun-shy than I was prior. Somewhere in this mess is the reason why previous modders abandoned support.

I’m no fan of conflict and have no intention of this being one. I’ve never been accused of being narcissistic before so as far as I’m concerned we’re even. I wish you well and regards.
 

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That sort of depends. For example if you go all-in Rachel then no Emma for you, etc, so there's a few ultimatums in there.
Vey true, I was thinking more about Main Girls. You can miss out on the Emma scene but she's only in that one part of the game. Not a big loss, seems like she was really only there to give something to people who weren't on Rachel's path. You can miss out on Kim as well (her vs Sarah), but she's a side girl at best (I like Kim, I wish she was a main girl, but she's not.) Those are really the only scenarios where you need to choose.
 

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SanchoMod Here's a few more teasers as I tighten things up and work on freeroams, etc. Note the "FreeRoam Info" in the MiniStat screen of the 4th image. It only populates while in the free roam events and will give additional details if desired (toggled feature of course). I've added many little features like suggested save points which can be seen in a few of the below as well.

Other than that I have some decisions to make though. I'll keep y'all posted as always.

 
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SanchoMod Here's a few more teasers as I tighten things up and work on freeroams, etc. Note the "FreeRoam Info" in the MiniStat screen of the 4th image. It only populates while in the free roam events and will give additional details if desired (toggled feature of course). I've added many little features like suggested save points which can be seen in a few of the below as well.

Other than that I have some decisions to make though. I'll keep y'all posted as always.

Another example of the dynamic ChoiceGuide. The final scene choice broke the code though :p, it didn't understand needing to keep choices chosen under 4 but I'll sort that directly.

 
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You can miss out on Kim as well (her vs Sarah), but she's a side girl at best (I like Kim, I wish she was a main girl, but she's not.)
It's from the WT:

Meeting with Kim in the office
(This’s the first opportunity to get dirt on William Pollard. You need to find information about Melkor Ind in advance for Vlad to get access to this event)

1) If the MC didn't meet Kim at the club = he won't get dirt on Pollard in this direction
2) If MC met Kim, but managed to screw up with her (refused her at the first meeting or answered Sara's call during sex with Kim) = he won't get dirt on Pollard in this direction
3) In other cases, jump to “Meeting with Kim in the office – main part” and you'll get dirt on the “Melkor Ind” direction

Hint how to do it better: if you want develop a relationship with Sara, Ashley and Kim!:

When Vlad gives MC the car keys and you have a choice to ride right away or go to the club (and fuck Kim), choose the first option (or the second option, but refuse to have sex with Kim. She'll be upset at first, but everything will be fine in the future). In these cases, you will help Sara and keep the relationship with Ashley as well, but at the same time, you do not spoil the relationship with Kimberly.

So you can miss only Kim's 2nd sex event there BUT keep her as a girl to develop a relationship with. And Emma's not worthy of attention and discussion in this matter at all, Idk how come you give her as an example. This is the only thing I can comment on in this case since the issue of harem route is generally unpleasant to me, and the way I see and treat the game is completely different from most of your's.
 
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Well, it is the point. I brought up the concern here months ago asking for detail and certainly not trolling as the moderated delete post states. Also, I never called your scripts “shit”. I said they were unorthodox, and your post explains why from “basing” code from multiple sources.

Those months ago, I was finalizing a public release that would have only potentially benefited your project and certainly not myself (considering it would potentially bring new eyeballs to your release and that I’ve never accepted a single penny for any of mine). After noting that features of previously listed mods here found their way into the base scripts with almost identical coding methods I asked for clarification, publicly, as it was a valid concern before releasing my work for obvious reasons. If you don’t see the merit of that then your post is rather hypocritical regarding modders (the only “lucky coincidence” here is this plausible deniability you mentioned) and makes me even more gun-shy than I was prior. Somewhere in this mess is the reason why previous modders abandoned support.

I’m no fan of conflict and have no intention of this being one. I’ve never been accused of being narcissistic before so as far as I’m concerned we’re even. I wish you well and regards.
Yeah, about this post of yours. I saw it sometime after you wrote it (I'm not too active here) and just left it unanswered. I hoped that issue can be solved (or has already been solved) without any explanation on my part. So I forgot about it. Although I probably should have clarified about that issue right away.

This time, when this discussion started again, I couldn't leave it like that and just burst out.

In any case, I don't intend to continue discussing this topic either. (Instead of this, I'd rather spend time doing some more renders for the next update). I have expressed my opinion about this. Believe me or not, it's a personal matter for everyone.

To end it in a good way. As I said, I'm glad when someone tries to make my game better, adapt it to different players, and so on. Judging by your last posts here, you are continuing to work on your mod, so good luck with that. I hope I won't cause you any inconvenience with my further game development actions.

P.S. The next time you need to clarify something with me, please ping me in your post. So that I see it right away and understand that it's addressed to me personally.
 
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I'm curious to know what exactly we've seen in this update to assume there would be some threesome stuff? :unsure:

If it's Yuki-the MC-Carol-some then I wouldn't even expect it since the MC's just using this info to take advantage of it for finding a closer approach to Yuki. Besides, something tells me Carol wouldn't go for it. Moreover, it's not yet known how Yuki would react to the fact Carol and the MC are a loving couple since from almost the beginnig of the whole story. But again, it's only my purely personal opinion regarding all the details provided in the story. There's always a chance ;)

And if it's Roxy-the MC-Nikki-some then it would be quite possible though. Too many hints ;)
There's an obvious open window to the Yuki + Carol 3some, but we'll see if the developer wants to follow this path.
 

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There's an obvious open window to the Yuki + Carol 3some, but we'll see if the developer wants to follow this path.
Yes on this one. There are a couple of others as well that are also pretty well telegraphed if you know to look for them. (You should ABSOLUTELY be looking for them! Dev's always been a little "we'll see how it goes" as far as a full harem, but he's also always been "hell yeah" on triad routes.)

:whistle::coffee:
 
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