RPGM Urban Demons: Remake [v0.8.2] [Urban Demons]

[LoneKaiser]

Most people in this forum are seriously laughable for real. Unless you're a subscriber to ANY dev and you've paid money, you shouldn't be expecting anything. The updates will be released when they are released and delays happen for whatever reason. Even if a game is abandoned people have no reason to cry about it if they haven't paid a single cent. There are proper channels for people who pay and don't get their product to both complain and act on it. So stop whining, be patient and be grateful any of these games gets releases. In the meantime, find something else to fap to.

Most of us actually do pay - even if it's not Nergal, we support other devs and thus expect consistent releases and promises to be kept.

Imagine this: you're the CEO of a company. You hire a guy called John (if your actual name is John and reading this, I have nothing against you. Probably).

John does not do what he promises - he fails to keep you updated on the projects and it's a very niche market and you're desperate for John's help. But John does not work. He does not keep you updated on what the hell is taking him so long. But he still demands you pay him every single month. But he has not a damn thing to show for it.

Would you enjoy that?

No?

How odd - just go find another person to do that job! Clearly it's no harder than that, using your own words.

I don't say that Nergal's game is a niche - far from it. I'm literally just here because like I mentioned last page, it's thanks to the original Urban Demons I found this site. If I had found this site through literally any other means, I would not have cared about the remake.

If you're a content creator, you need to keep any form of promise made or keep people in the loop well in advance.

Nergal has failed at both points. That's our issue.

Your argument that "even if is a game is abandoned for whatever reason people have no reason to cry if they haven't paid a single cent" is the only part I agree on.

But if you pay someone to do something, you want to get it done.

 

[kklstl]

Most of us actually do pay - even if it's not Nergal, we support other devs and thus expect consistent releases and promises to be kept.

Imagine this: you're the CEO of a company. You hire a guy called John (if your actual name is John and reading this, I have nothing against you. Probably).

John does not do what he promises - he fails to keep you updated on the projects and it's a very niche market and you're desperate for John's help. But John does not work. He does not keep you updated on what the hell is taking him so long. But he still demands you pay him every single month. But he has not a damn thing to show for it.

Would you enjoy that?

No?

How odd - just go find another person to do that job! Clearly it's no harder than that, using your own words.

I don't say that Nergal's game is a niche - far from it. I'm literally just here because like I mentioned last page, it's thanks to the original Urban Demons I found this site. If I had found this site through literally any other means, I would not have cared about the remake.

If you're a content creator, you need to keep any form of promise made or keep people in the loop well in advance.

Nergal has failed at both points. That's our issue.

Your argument that "even if is a game is abandoned for whatever reason people have no reason to cry if they haven't paid a single cent" is the only part I agree on.

But if you pay someone to do something, you want to get it done.

As expected you failed to pick up what I put out there. No matter, I'll just say it once again. Instead of complaining on what is essentially a pirate forum and thus cultivating a negative view of whatever project, you can stop your subscription or even request your money back either from the devs themselves or through legal means. It's not unheard of. Also the nature of your relationship with the devs is not of a CEO and an employee. You haven't hired them. What you've done is you have essentially contributed to a kickstart. There is no contractual obligation to deliver the final product on time or AT ALL (unfortunately). There are no promises of delivery, only estimates and hopes. If you understand that maybe you won't be so frustrated when delays happen. And please don't take anything I said personally, it's just the reality of the situation and I'm trying to be objective here. Believe me I too want to fap to Sydney ASAP but it will happen when it happens.

 

[LoneKaiser]

As expected you failed to pick up what I put out there. No matter, I'll just say it once again. Instead of complaining on what is essentially a pirate forum and thus cultivating a negative view of whatever project, you can stop your subscription or even request your money back either from the devs themselves or through legal means. It's not unheard of. Also the nature of your relationship with the devs is not of a CEO and an employee. You haven't hired them. What you've done is you have essentially contributed to a kickstart. There is no contractual obligation to deliver the final product on time or AT ALL (unfortunately). There are no promises of delivery, only estimates and hopes. If you understand that maybe you won't be so frustrated when delays happen. And please don't take anything I said personally, it's just the reality of the situation and I'm trying to be objective here. Believe me I too want to fap to Sydney ASAP but it will happen when it happens.

I don't take anything you said personally, I'm pointing out that lack of communication kills interest.

Again:

If you're a content creator, you need to keep any form of promise made or keep people in the loop well in advance.

That's the main point here.

Nergal is doing the exact opposite - keeping us in the dark, then going "Oh by the way, I'm going back on what I promised in the past because no."

Another game I follow gives us weekly updates even if as it's as simple as a "Hey, work's progressing, nothing interesting to report."

In that case, we're informed that work is progressing. We're given (rough) ETA's for betas - sometimes we're told "Hey, a beta drops this later this month," but next week we may be told "Nope, sorry, that beta is gonna have to be pushed back because I won't get the stuff I wanted in time so it'd literally be pointless to drop the beta."

Side-note: Sydney best girl.

 

[HJL231852]

I don't take anything you said personally, I'm pointing out that lack of communication kills interest.

Again:

If you're a content creator, you need to keep any form of promise made or keep people in the loop well in advance.

That's the main point here.

Nergal is doing the exact opposite - keeping us in the dark, then going "Oh by the way, I'm going back on what I promised in the past because no."

Another game I follow gives us weekly updates even if as it's as simple as a "Hey, work's progressing, nothing interesting to report."

In that case, we're informed that work is progressing. We're given (rough) ETA's for betas - sometimes we're told "Hey, a beta drops this later this month," but next week we may be told "Nope, sorry, that beta is gonna have to be pushed back because I won't get the stuff I wanted in time so it'd literally be pointless to drop the beta."

Side-note: Sydney best girl.

I understand how you feel, but Nergal mentioned that with the current efficiency, there will be at least five versions a year—maybe even six if we’re lucky. So the outcome isn’t all that bad. It would be even better if Nergal could maintain communication and provide an explanation whenever there might be delays in updates. So let’s stay positive.

 

[Philso420]

You Guys should chill a bit, maybe look into Agent17 or Summertime Saga.

When you see how those Devs work you will be really happy about how Nergal works.

I only know him from the remake, but up to now I‘m really happy with his work, of course I‘m also sad about the delay but 1 week is totally acceptable.

 

[jajgglkwreagnlkawe]

Man who cares about this drama, I just want masturbate to those seriously fat fucking tittys.
I hope the guy has restrained himself this time with the gameplay elements.

 

[Nergal's Nest]

Man who cares about this drama, I just want masturbate to those seriously fat fucking tittys.
I hope the guy has restrained himself this time with the gameplay elements.

Based.

I've only added in 8 new ghost mazes this time.

 

[jajgglkwreagnlkawe]

Based.

I've only added in 8 new ghost mazes this time.

Then i hope you will include a gallery unlock code, also back to the coding cage with you.

 

[zarqupang]

i under stand those who pay but then ask your self this you donate to people but how many of the dev's come throught in the end there are those who milk there game's with out doing stuff for a long time then there are other thing's. i now some one who payed a group on kick starter who said they would make a game got payed alot of money then they ran off and did nothing. i trust that this dev will do there job.

 

[Gido]

i also just want to beat my dick with this and don't care about the drama and as someone said in a previous comment summertime saga or bones tales the manor are by FAR worse. With dr bones never delivering the updates and taking 2 years for a small update

 

[3173684495]

I'm looking forward to the new version, but my vacation is almost over and I have to get back to work. (from Google Translate)

 

[_Ochako_]

Based.

I've only added in 8 new ghost mazes this time.

i just play for ghost mazes
LEZGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Ryn47]

Spoiler: From his Subscribestar

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This leaves two new issues.

First, since bi-monthly are no longer happening, we no longer have a roadmap to follow. That alone is a huge red flag, solely because now, we have no idea who gets added at part of what update. So for people waiting for specific character(s), they will have no knowledge when their preferred characters shows up. For people pledging (or subscribing, I have no idea what it's called on Subscribestar; I'm only supporting a couple of people on Patreon), they might feel as if they got the rug pulled from under their feet.

Second, Nergal should not have promised those bi-monthly updates to begin with.

If he had said "I will attempt to release bi-monthly updates as time allows," it would have been a non-issue.

Once again, I am in no way shape or form trying to flame him. I'm pointing out that he's very close to shooting himself in the foot and one misstep from now on will cause him to shoot himself in the foot.

Nergal had many issues developing the game. He even got delayed for health issues once.
Also, five updates per year means 2.4 months. It is one less that the Bi-monthly updates.

 

[Crispyking]

Based.

I've only added in 8 new ghost mazes this time.

Hey, thanks for the great game! It's one of the best MS-themed ones out here.

Anyway: You wouldn't happen to have a Ko-fi account by any chance? I'd like to support you a little whenever you make a new release.

Cheers!

 

[mcarvalho01]

Based.

I've only added in 8 new ghost mazes this time.

me want porn, me wait cause me don't pay (jokez)

 

[mcarvalho01]

Based.

I've only added in 8 new ghost mazes this time.

i'm not a client but here's a request
wootch didn't finish this version of urban life: https://f95zone.to/threads/urban-xlife-v01a08-wootch.1122/.


Just an idea: would you get this project to add the final progress? hehe

the game stops advancing after one last scene (bahtroom)

 

[the 1st Truecel]

Man who cares about this drama, I just want masturbate to those seriously fat fucking tittys.
I hope the guy has restrained himself this time with the gameplay elements.

Tfw waiting for progression update of two of your favorite characters

 

[Utuxd]

Most people in this forum are seriously laughable for real. Unless you're a subscriber to ANY dev and you've paid money, you shouldn't be expecting anything. The updates will be released when they are released and delays happen for whatever reason. Even if a game is abandoned people have no reason to cry about it if they haven't paid a single cent. There are proper channels for people who pay and don't get their product to both complain and act on it. So stop whining, be patient and be grateful any of these games gets releases. In the meantime, find something else to fap to.

Finally someone with a brain here

 

[ca6YSHYO-VupnVoa]

Well I can at least appreciate some transparency finally coming from Nergal here. That bi-monthly release promise was pretty much never fulfilled so it makes sense to get rid of it, but the fact that it was promised and the goal well succeeded only to just be removed is still pretty scummy. Joke's on you. Just feels like supporting Nergal is asking to get pied in the face.

 

[Dyonisos]

On one hand, I agree.

On the other hand, Nergal flat out stated "If they (Nergal:co) makes enough money, they're guaranteed to make bi-monthly updates." (Case in point: see the first post on this very page).

This is solely Nergal:co's fault for promising something that they in turn are incapable of finishing on time.

I'm not trying to throw shade at anyone - I'm pointing out that being a content creator, you need to keep your promises you made or you'll shoot yourself in the foot.



It's less pressure and more of a "Dude, you made a promise. Now keep it."

If Nergal had made a post on subscribestar saying "Hey, this update will most likely be delayed, sorry about that," the people constantly asking would have been much fewer.



For once, Google Translate is accurate. Huh.

I've no idea who Jackerman is, I'll admit.

Nergal sadly has a history of not keeping his promises.
Now he had the chance to proof everyone wrong... you see how well that went.

PS: Jackerman is a NSFW/Adult Animator. Good stuff truly. But he also has the same problem with keeping up with his promises.