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It's actually really frustrating for me and I think it's a problem with the genre. Corruption games often rely on characters that are a bad combination of impossibly naive, and incredibly dumb. I know I'm in the minority here as a woman, and I don't begrudge anyone their kinks (within reason), I know it can be a hot fantasy to fuck a dumb naive woman, but I think it's been done to death. I think it has become stale that every corruption story has to center around a woman that doesn't even know her own body, let alone know the first thing about sex. It's also really stale when the corruption is triggered by the absolutely flimsiest excuses.LMAO
I think the dev is trying to portray her as innocent and clueless, but she does come off like she's slow... I don't really mind though, we're here for the porn and corruption after all
I'm not saying this game has committed those sins or is guilty of being stale. I would just like to encourage it to try and do more with the genre than what we typically see.
I fully agree with you. Especially on the impossibly naive and incredibly dumb bits.
Generally they also tend to be bad at consent and actually knowing how extreme kinks function outside of fiction. Which, game, fair. But I'd love to see more aftercare in games.
To get to the meat. So many corruption games would be better if it was more of a dialogue between corruptor and corruptee. This game absolutely has potential for a slow burn. For the MC to realize she enjoys herself and slowly embrace her situation as she does more and more. Instead of dejectedly being stuck and instead of just packing a bag and walking away accepting that "Oh, I need to clean naked now" out of... what?
Currently, lots of potential! I hope our girl won't be that combination.
Speaking from experience it's a lot more fun challenging and waking someone up to what they really enjoy in a sexual fashion than manipulating someone into something they're not.
Even if you're just doing it on a platonic level with a friend it's darn fun! Doing it with a partner is... amazing.
Agreed. Unless your village has no internet, gated community, incredibly conservative and still stuck in medieval ages, it's just impossible to be completely naive about sex and knowing your body. You can be innocent about the 'how to' part of it, giving and receiving it, how it's done but not completely clueless about why the opposite gender is attracted to you and will do anything to get in your pants.
I also think perspective matters, since most devs are just horny men and they write the female character from their POV, if there were more female devs making female protag corruption games, perhaps the change of perspective can help write better characters, or at least provide criticism for bad writing or character development.
This game is still in the pilot stages, there's much room for eromantis to make one of the best corruption games out there.
I agree, it would be really nice to have a slow corruption story with a smart protagonist, without magic mindcontrol and too obvious turnoffs (for me) like rape and knockout drugs immediately in the beginning as that would make the story immediately to dark for me. But I would love too see a smart, witty MC at the end of the process who has is not just a mindbroken shell of what she once was and accepts everything thrown at her with a blank stare.
Honestly (as I don't know about Eromantis) , but I personally think it needs a womans touch to write a good story like this.
The problem is that you basically have to go this way. But it is not the way that is happening in Real Life, which is why it seems to be odd for most.
Because to create a game, you have a Character which is at least 18 years old (or even older, depending wheree you want them to live). Sure, you can do games with younger characters, but those are harder to promote and to find places where you can openly advertise them.
And those people then need to be overprotected in their social life, which made them so naive. In Real Life people often have sex way before 18 and therefore are more experienced when they turn 18. This is why it is odd to see some 18yr old with 0 experience or idea about sex or her body.
Furthermore, it makes the entry level of corruption easier. If the character already has experience, she will probably done quite a few things already, so to make it actual corruption, you will probably have to start with Anal, Threesomes or really rough Sex. So you get less content out of it.
And last but not least, I feel that an innocent and inexperienced character is more liked by the players of those games. People prefer virgins and dont like it if the woman had a few boyfriends in the past.
> Get ready for scenes of sexual harassment, rape, and Lily's slow descent into madness!
Taken from the game's description itself, it is pretty safe to say these themes will be in the game (and 100% they should be). Lilly can't become a total slut without some fucking around and finding out.
sure but what I wanted to say is to not open the game with it. If that is the first thing that happens to the MC - that is a turnoff for me - later in the process I still find it not really arousing myself but it can be a kind of natural part of the story. And if you open with it - its not a slow corruption game (by my standards) anyway.
Spot on. Pretty sure by sixth grade I already knew everything about sex but you can't have that in a game due to obvious reasons, so it feels irrational to see a character being clueless about everything in life.
Also, corruption games with innocent virgins get way more support from a wider audience, the dev already has 341 members on patreon and we're only two updates in the game so far. As the story progresses, I'm sure there will be tons of more supporters... most don't care about the story or realism, just the porn and H-scenes.
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I love piercings too, except for the nose. That's just plain disgusting. Probably unhealthy too.
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So I've been wanting to respond to this all day, but of course I got busy at work. I apologize for the wall of text that's incoming.
See, I don't agree that we "basically have to go this way." Looking at the registration dates for the members on this page, most of us have been here for atleast a couple years. How many corruption games have we seen in that time, and how many of them followed the strategy of "impossibly naive & incredibly stupid" FMC? How many of them lived up to their potential? How many of them were abandoned?
I get why we think that this setup is the default. It seems like it leaves the most room for corruption when the FMC starts off impossibly naive. But is that really a good thing? I've mentioned this a lot before on this forum, but I'm not sure if I've ever mentioned it in this thread, so here's my Grand Theory of Corruption Games:
Corruption games bog down late into Act 2 because the FMC starts off too innocent.
As the game moves into Act 2, the work of establishing the FMC is done and her corruption is well under way. Late in Act 2 it isn't enough anymore to show the FMC kissing or being naked, now she needs to start having sexual encounters. That way, in Act 3, we can get the payoff of the years of corruption she's endured; we just need to get over the hump of those initial sexual encounters.
And that's when the game dies.
In my opinion, starting the game with an Impossibly Naive FMC, makes it extremely difficult to pull the trigger and get her over the hump (pun intended) because devs get bogged down in the step by step process. We've all seen the process a million times, it's so common that it's invisible, but let's write it out working our way backward from the end to the beginning:
FMC has sex willingly and loves it; but that can't happen until she has sex for the first time reluctantly; but that can't happen until she's received oral sex and been ashamed that she liked it; but that can't happen until she's deepthroated a guy;(THIS IS WHERE MOST GAMES BOG DOWN) but that can't happen until she's given her first blowjob and been bad at it; but that can't happen until she lets the guy play with her boobs while she feels guilty for enjoying it so much; and that can't happen until he teachers her how to kiss for the first time; and that can't happen until the guy talks dirty to her when they first meet and the FMC is disgusted but aroused by it.
That's a ponderous and predictable progression.
These games turn into slow burns in which the anticipation is the eroticism; and there's nothing wrong with that. But by now we've all been burned too many times, we've seen this movie before. Because the eroticism is so firmly tied to the corruption, it can be difficult to transition the eroticism from anticipation to action. That's when development times get out of control and the progress becomes ponderous.
Instead, I propose that we start our FMCs sexually experienced, but limited and repressed. The FMC has had sex, and she enjoyed it, but her one or two partners were not very creative and did not encourage her to be creative. Sex was fun, but passionless. The guys were always able to orgasm, but she rarely did with them. She was only able to orgasm routinely by herself, but she felt guilty because she didn't understand why sex with herself was more gratifying than with her boyfriend(s).
If you stick this character into a corruption game, I think it opens up a world of possibilities. You have a character that knows what sex is, knows that it's enjoyable, knows what a man's body is like, but hasn't put it all together yet. To say that a character like this can only progress to anal sex, threesomes, and rough sex, is to say that we have no imagination. Sex can be so much more than that progression that we see in porn, blowjob --> sex ---> anal. Lots of sluts have never had anal sex, and many "normal" women have had anal sex; so we just need to get creative in how we envision progression.
Ok ok, I'm so sorry you guys, I've blabbered on enough. I just don't want to see us in two years still waiting for her to get to second base with a guy and we only get two updates a year.
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Generally speaking, most of us would agree that at the beginning of the game we should have an introduction and introduction to the character of the MC, whose experience with sex is somewhat limited, but not zero - the MC can and even should have had a partner in the past (about which I think she should mention in the game ASAP). Perhaps she should also miss him and when she is in the room at night, touch, caress and masturbate, thinking about the fact that she misses her boyfriend. That would show she's not a nun. And she has sexual needs.
In turn, after the game is fully developed, we would like (at least I would want) the MC to do everything imaginable in her sex life. I would like to see him do incredible things that will surprise me and make me say, "WOW! I didn't expect that."
Someone here mentioned that there are two methods to achieve the goal. The first is coercion and rape. The second is MC's conscious and voluntary discovery that the world of sex turns her on. I am in favor of the second option. I would like to see Lily enjoy sexual experiences that most women would never even consider. With the first option (coercion), the game may actually become extremely depressing.
But how to reconcile it? On the one hand, you need to force the MC a bit to direct her thoughts towards sex, because it is clear that she herself - for now - is not interested in it.
In turn, after the game is fully developed, we would like (at least I would want) the MC to do everything imaginable in her sex life. I would like to see him do incredible things that will surprise me and make me say, "WOW! I didn't expect that."
Someone here mentioned that there are two methods to achieve the goal. The first is coercion and rape. The second is MC's conscious and voluntary discovery that the world of sex turns her on. I am in favor of the second option. I would like to see Lily enjoy sexual experiences that most women would never even consider. With the first option (coercion), the game may actually become extremely depressing.
But how to reconcile it? On the one hand, you need to force the MC a bit to direct her thoughts towards sex, because it is clear that she herself - for now - is not interested in it.
Regarding the progression in the games:
I'm not sure if you are saying this is what you think, or what the developers of these games think. An inexperienced and innocent girl/woman could easily jump in between steps. She could easily start with anal and end with someone eating hey pussy. As you stated lower, in the real world there aren't really progression steps. Deepthroating is definitely not a stepping stone. There are plenty of women who haven't done it but did a lot of other things (anal, threesomes included). For some people doing a quickie in a public bathroom could be a lot more taboo than any of the previously mentioned "milestones".
The only problem with doing it random or by personal preference in a game is that after the player played through a few anal scenes, will they still be happy with a popularly considered less hardcore scene in the next update?
Regarding FMCs and sexual experience, most of the successful ones start with the MC having experience and knowing stuff. From the ones I know, top of my head: AWAM, Anna's corruption, Special Request, Lost trip (or how it was called). Even older ones like Elena's corruption or how it was called, the one with Myriam, the one with the cop (Mannila Shaw?).
I actually don't know of any FMC games that started with her as a virgin. The only one that started with her as frigid (not a virgin) from what I know is Fashion Business.
I don't think that the paths are mutually exclusive. Excluding full on rape, of course. Maybe the MC discovers she gets turned on by being submissive, forced into doing stuff. So the coercion is the method to get her to try and do stuff but why she actually continues to do it is because of how it makes her feel.
It depends, I think what each of us understands from the corruption part of the game. I don't want to play the village whore walking around and fucking anything that moves. I also don't want to play the village pure girl being raped left and right. Fashion business for example is leaning very heavily on the forced part/blackmail. It works for the game, in my opinion because Monica is such a bitch you kind of want to see her punished. It wouldn't work for an innocent girl.
Immoral Stories has full on rape and a lot of forced stuff happening to an innocent girl. While the renders are good, and the story writing itself is also pretty good, it's not really what I hoped from the game when I played the first version.
I think in the end, each kind of game will have its own fans. What is most important is that is written well and consistently and someone with that kink should enjoy it. This game, I think strives for no realism, it embraces the cliches and stupidity of its genre but, if done well, people can enjoy like you ca enjoy a good pizza delivery porn movie, or a porn parody.
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One of the things missing in the typical H games that makes erotic writing so erotic is the fact that the "sexiest" organ in the body is the brain. The story that is worth telling is the "human heart at war with itself." Our candidate slut need not have carried out the slutty acts that lie beyond her current tolerance, she can just have imagined herself doing so. This can result in as much H-content as the dev likes without trying to build for it. The game then becomes the challenge of having the heroine slowly convince herself that she can fulfill her more exotic fantasies without [select the constraint here: being found out, scaring herself too much, or whatever the negative outcomes of poor decisions are]. Using a mix of fantasy and (in-game) reality also allows the dev to use interesting techniques like foreshadowing and unreliable narration.
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do you plan to use rape in the story ? i hope we see a lot of rape scenes
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On that topic, not sure if you have ever perused the following game by chance, but if not, it may be something worth looking into/up your alley for future reference.
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