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VN Ren'Py Vulgar Reverie [v0.09a] [Saxonado Studios]

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unknown5629

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That remains to be seen. I couldn't resist my curiosity and checked the reworked scene in question... It's still bad. Worse, even, if you've read the original scene, because this one basically just adds one more round of the exact same thing that was bad in the first place-- It still lacks the pacing and flow of previous scenes, and feels plastered together in a hurry, as if forced to do so.

Instead of a one and done, now we get a two and done... Not that two rounds are bad, that is not what i meant at all. Even a single round would be fantastic if it were to be a lenghty, well written scene. But what we got, once again, is a literal shit nothing burger! The "extra round" is there just for the sake of being there and adds nothing to the plot, because nothing happens! There's no effective dirty talk, there's no fondling, there's no making out, no sense of actual cuckoldry happening! Jack might as well have been a dildo, because there's nothing going on; cock in, pump it a few times, cock out... Change condom, cock in, pump it a few times, cock out... That's it! End of scene! No spice, no life, no soul. And let me say this again! Jackie boy still didn't even get a tit out (or, at least, did nothing to her tits, since they magically came out this time)!

It's the exact same scene that everyone was calling trash and made Saxonado lose patrons, just with an added round of nothing happening. Might as well copy paste the exact same scene, because that is pretty much what was done anyway. I'll point it out again: Amazing build up, extremely hot teasing scenes- the one in the club being one of the better ones I've seen in the genre. All that for the first actual cuckold sex to be one of the worse, most bland, milquetoast missionary sex I've ever seen in the genre- novels included. The dialogue is terrible! Everything that was added feels out of place in a way that I can't even begin to describe.

Seriously, if the author/developer thought that making jack say "I'm gonna fuck your wife multiple times!" then adding an extra round and the bit about them cumming over her would fix the scene, then they have no idea why the scene was bad and disliked on the first place, and I have no hopes at all for future scenes.

Might as well not even have bothered to "fix it", because what was done here is trying to make up to an angry customer who was served a meal with a literal block of shit on top, by serving them a meal with two literal blocks of shit on top.

So, yeah... If the "good stuff" the game is getting to is more of this, then no... I don't think people are gonna be drawn back, nor do I think it's gonna attract new people. A game that sells itself as being Netorase and delivers that pathetic of a sex scene Isn't gonna be very popular with Netorase fans. Go search for the best sellers and most read novels and doujinshis centered around Netorase and see what is it that actually sells.
I can see your point. the teasing leading up to this point was better then the actual act itself. It lacked the punch and payoff.

I think what the scene lacked was the “awkwardness “ of a new partner. Sex with a new person is not usually so uniform, maybe even more so in front of your spouse, We all work differently.

personally, I’m not in love with it. I think this version was better than the last, though I don’t view either as high points. I’m happy the beach scenario is over. I do hope the devs can take feedback, and improve. It’s a fine line between overdoing it, like many other games, and not doing enough.
 
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BatmanApollo

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Man, I was feelin' this project when it dropped, but it kinda hit a wall after that scene with the mafia boss’s bodyguard. You know how it is, folks up top notice that the creator got a wild take on the game’s main vibe. Guess that's just how the homie sees his work. I'm already thankful I got to vibe with it early on.

But real talk, I don’t think this kind of games are about innocent fun and true love, ya feel? It's hard for me to fully dive into this project.

Just so y’all know, this review was translated to English with the help of ChatGPT.
 

Griev

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That remains to be seen. I couldn't resist my curiosity and checked the reworked scene in question... It's still bad. Worse, even, if you've read the original scene, because this one basically just adds one more round of the exact same thing that was bad in the first place-- It still lacks the pacing and flow of previous scenes, and feels plastered together in a hurry, as if forced to do so.

Instead of a one and done, now we get a two and done... Not that two rounds are bad, that is not what i meant at all. Even a single round would be fantastic if it were to be a lenghty, well written scene. But what we got, once again, is a literal shit nothing burger! The "extra round" is there just for the sake of being there and adds nothing to the plot, because nothing happens! There's no effective dirty talk, there's no fondling, there's no making out, no sense of actual cuckoldry happening! Jack might as well have been a dildo, because there's nothing going on; cock in, pump it a few times, cock out... Change condom, cock in, pump it a few times, cock out... That's it! End of scene! No spice, no life, no soul. And let me say this again! Jackie boy still didn't even get a tit out (or, at least, did nothing to her tits, since they magically came out this time)!

It's the exact same scene that everyone was calling trash and made Saxonado lose patrons, just with an added round of nothing happening. Might as well copy paste the exact same scene, because that is pretty much what was done anyway. I'll point it out again: Amazing build up, extremely hot teasing scenes- the one in the club being one of the better ones I've seen in the genre. All that for the first actual cuckold sex to be one of the worse, most bland, milquetoast missionary sex I've ever seen in the genre- novels included. The dialogue is terrible! Everything that was added feels out of place in a way that I can't even begin to describe.

Seriously, if the author/developer thought that making jack say "I'm gonna fuck your wife multiple times!" then adding an extra round and the bit about them cumming over her would fix the scene, then they have no idea why the scene was bad and disliked on the first place, and I have no hopes at all for future scenes.

Might as well not even have bothered to "fix it", because what was done here is trying to make up to an angry customer who was served a meal with a literal block of shit on top, by serving them a meal with two literal blocks of shit on top.

So, yeah... If the "good stuff" the game is getting to is more of this, then no... I don't think people are gonna be drawn back, nor do I think it's gonna attract new people. A game that sells itself as being Netorase and delivers that pathetic of a sex scene Isn't gonna be very popular with Netorase fans. Go search for the best sellers and most read novels and doujinshis centered around Netorase and see what is it that actually sells.
Lmao! You're harsh, but also being constructive by explaining where you're coming from so I'd argue that your opnion is just as important as those praising this game.

For me, I'm here for the art and the build up. Those things are what make the scenes hot for me, not the actual scenes itself. Like, IW Hana's build ups before scenes was godly. This game started off that way as well with the club scene, but it's gradually lost it's ability to create captivating and gripping feeling of emotional anxiety from the MC's perspective imo.
I agree that the Jack sex scene can't be saved, they'd need to redo the entire update, because not only was the sex lame, the lead in and build up to it was as well.

I think the best way forward is to not get discouraged. Don't get caught up with an L, and just take in feedback and apply what you've learned into the next story instead. The game is still great overall, and I look forward to what you do with it.
 
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nidezrel

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I was expecting more sweeping changes to the scene, but I think the new additions work well, for what they are. The MC now being more like "I don't know if I will regret it or not, but I NEED to see it", adds a good bit of needed tension. Now he's actually nervous. Him not containing his excitement and coming on her while she's having sex works too. Then, he's going for the reclaim sex and Jack is like nah, hold up, I'm gonna go another round. I think all these were surprisingly effective additions that added more of that missing spice.

Like others are saying, you could make this better by scrapping the whole scene, but given the development format, it'd be a bunch of wasted work. Better to just take those lessons into the next project.
 

High-_-Tower

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The hottest scene in this game was when the cuck runs into his wife getting her tit and ass groped in the club. But then it cuts the lamest vanilla shit possible. Just make this into a vanilla game, this doesn't deserve to be tagged as NTR and waste people's time.
If you make a habit of reading developer notes, or staff notes, it will help you avoid such "disappointments".
 

Hopeless DIO

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ngl I see a lot of yapping just because the story isn't 100% tailored to their own tastes and such. The previous scene was passable, and the remade one fixes the abrupt ending and short length. ATP just let the studio cook and push a few updates to see if the game is for you or not, seeing as how from now on the stakes are her "shooting a video", let alone any other sexual/plot points they decide to introduce next chapter.
 

quandin

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ngl I see a lot of yapping just because the story isn't 100% tailored to their own tastes and such. The previous scene was passable, and the remade one fixes the abrupt ending and short length. ATP just let the studio cook and push a few updates to see if the game is for you or not, seeing as how from now on the stakes are her "shooting a video", let alone any other sexual/plot points they decide to introduce next chapter.
This has been the case since the Geist update, probably the case in every single nts game on here
 

NTR Sommelier

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This game, like every NTS game I've seen here always has a conflict between two types of cucks, let's call them dominant vs submissive cucks. Neither side really acknowledges the existence of the other, which always leads to fierce fighting between them. Submissive cucks think dominant cucks want to dilute the NTS into boring vanilla shit where you just watch the wife having generic sex and maybe join in, with MC having a big dick, being confident, etc. Meanwhile Dominant cucks think the elements of humiliation and denial that submissive cucks enjoy are nothing more than "NTR in disguise" and that suggesting something like putting the MC in cage means they want the game to go full NTR. Me, personally, I lean more into "submissive" style of NTS, and I get annoyed when someone claims for the 44564894654 time that such and such kink is "NTR" even if there is pleasure and consent with both MC and wife.
 

batztefano

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gonna ad my 2 cents, i enjoy NTR and NTS but i believe that is not for the same reason as most people do....I really enjoy watching female MC being total nymphos, sluts and dominant, i tend to enjoy more dominant Cucks stories as
NTR Sommelier so eloquently put due to the fact that i am not fan of humiliation hahahahahahaha, so i really enjoy where this game is going
 
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dengl

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Lmao! You're harsh, but also being constructive by explaining where you're coming from so I'd argue that your opnion is just as important as those praising this game.

For me, I'm here for the art and the build up. Those things are what make the scenes hot for me, not the actual scenes itself. Like, IW Hana's build ups before scenes was godly. This game started off that way as well with the club scene, but it's gradually lost it's ability to create captivating and gripping feeling of emotional anxiety from the MC's perspective imo.
I agree that the Jack sex scene can't be saved, they'd need to redo the entire update, because not only was the sex lame, the lead in and build up to it was as well.

I think the best way forward is to not get discouraged. Don't get caught up with an L, and just take in feedback and apply what you've learned into the next story instead. The game is still great overall, and I look forward to what you do with it.
Harsh and yet he wasn't wrong, nor was the game's direction. This game by far has the tamest nts compared to other on-going nts games here. This game just wasn't for him, at all.
For people that had not been reading overview or the dev notes, this is strictly nts and rather tame one. This couple didn't even go longer than 5 minutes without reassuring their love for each other should've given enough sign of how this game is going to be. There isn't any drama or bumps here, it's written in the way that players only feel the intense relationship between the couple and nothing from the bull. There was not even a hint of "risk" that normally people would feel in nts. Like I kept emphasizing, it's tame and mild. There's nothing wrong with the game going down this direction but obviously I don't think it's something for him at all. Maybe try out the others where cuckoldry was the main focus instead of something this mild.

And regarding this game losing their subs? Man I don't know but this game was made this year. Near a 500 subs on patreon within the same year had already beaten like 50% of the ntr/nts creator out there right now.
 

cryfane

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This game, like every NTS game I've seen here always has a conflict between two types of cucks, let's call them dominant vs submissive cucks. Neither side really acknowledges the existence of the other, which always leads to fierce fighting between them. Submissive cucks think dominant cucks want to dilute the NTS into boring vanilla shit where you just watch the wife having generic sex and maybe join in, with MC having a big dick, being confident, etc. Meanwhile Dominant cucks think the elements of humiliation and denial that submissive cucks enjoy are nothing more than "NTR in disguise" and that suggesting something like putting the MC in cage means they want the game to go full NTR. Me, personally, I lean more into "submissive" style of NTS, and I get annoyed when someone claims for the 44564894654 time that such and such kink is "NTR" even if there is pleasure and consent with both MC and wife.
In my opinion a good way to solve this (without creating 2 completely separate stories/routes which I wouldn't want to see in this game mainly because of update delay) is having a nice balance between these 2 things.
For the purpose of transparency I'd say I'm also leaning more towards the submisse group, tho I don't believe I'm too extreme on it, so be aware my opinion might be leaning to this side.

I think giving the MC an average (in comparisson to other male partners) size/techniques is the go. Sometimes the MC will be on the same level as the bulls and sometimes "lose" on the physical aspect, and even win in other cases too, but what's important imo is >not every scene has to be the same< sometimes the "Dominant" group is gonna be better pleased, while other times the "Submissives" are getting a better treat and that's all fine!

We know it's gonna have a group scene in the future so, for example, the MC don't need to be surrounded by horse cocks in it, he can be within the average, not the last spot but also not the first. The future group scene(s) have the amazing potential to please these both groups you mentioned. Give Amelia a shy femboy to suck, a big bull to fuck, hey yeah DP with the MC too! Maybe he watches some part until he gets too horny and joins in, and in some scenes he's watching it all from afar (phone call? video call? text? literally from afar like peaking? the options are endless and many great scenes can come to birth)

At the end of the day, as an NTS game, the MC will always be #1 emotionally to his wife, he'll get his fun, she will have even more fun and both will be happy, the potential of this game (as if it's not already amazing now and in the foreseable future) lies in how many different and surprising scenes can be done, if it ends up being the same every update it will die off but if it keeps bringing tension, teasing, surprises and many more it'll keep this comment section as crowded as it is now.

Now regarding the change in the 0.8a version: it solved to me the problem with the last sex scene being too vanilla for the sake of the MC being the incontestable number 1 (boring for me), the dialogues were much better at teasing the MC and, specially it being the 1st time Amelia went all the way, having the focus being much more on the bull (he got 2 rounds instead of sharing with the MC) made it much better.
I believe Saxx is doing a great job and the way he listened to the critics is an AMAZING sign we don't see often around here.
And to add a little bit of constructive critic I haven't seen someone say before, I feel like the update would've been perfect if it was not so "polite" "lawful" "regulated" (everything leading up to the sex scene itself felt like a list of rules being followed, specially at the end when they just went to the room for the sex as if it was scripted that way), if it were more leaning towards the carnal feelings, the lack of rationality and controled by libido (getting higher and higher within time) it would've felt perfect (I mean this for the leading up of the last scene, not the scene itself), did they really need to get a room to start the sex? lol start it right there and go to the room a bit after. Also the texts right before Jack put it in didn't make me feel tensioned, nervous, anxious, eager, etc, I was a bit of just waiting for it to actually start haha. Either way loved the changes.
 

LksLight

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And regarding this game losing their subs? Man I don't know but this game was made this year. Near a 500 subs on patreon within the same year had already beaten like 50% of the ntr/nts creator out there right now.
You are right on that point. I'm not saying the game is doomed nor that it will lose all of its patrons. In fact, from what I've observed, it only lost like 5% of the total patrons after the last couple of updates; around 14 or so patrons, overall. Nothing that will affect revenue for the devs in a considerable way. I just used it as an example of how bad those updates were received, that multiple people, who were previously willing to pay in order to support the game's creation, simply decided it wasn't worth it anymore. Keep it in mind though that, even then, there could be reasons other than insatisfaction for those patrons cancelling their support-- I just think it's unlikely for all cancelations to be for unique reasons, since we're talking about a size sample of just under 500.

As for the game's rise in popularity under such a short amount of time (under a year), I'd say much of it is being hard carried by the art. There's not enough content available for me to make an accurate judgement on the writing presented, but I can still make an educated inference-- it is mediocre. It starts off somewhat average-good, then it fluctuates downwards a bit by focusing too much on the MC's daydreaming/fantasies, then it goes up again for a time-- reaching its peak, imho, on the nightclub scene, which I consider an amazingly built and paced scene, regardless of my opinion on the writing. From there it goes all the way down to being mediocre again, the whole trip arc being sort of bad all the way, and terrible on the last couple of scenes. The art, however, remains consistent throughout; pretty great.

As an example of my point that the game is being carried by the art I'll raise this: here, on this very site, we have many games that would be blowing up as much as Vulgar Reverie-- perhaps even more, if only instead of, for instance, having Koikatsu-level graphics, they had such good art available to them. Misanthropy comes to mind as an example; although the game in question is a pure netorare one, instead of netorase like Vulgar Reverie, its pacing and writing are pretty solid; build up and payoff well balanced, and delivery on point for the expectations it sets. Misanthropy is also only a few months old... If it had the same level of art, it would likely be "blowing up hard". Mind you, I'm not saying, as a matter of fact, that it is a better game than Vulgar Reverie, I'm just giving my opinion.

In any case, if someone is misinterpreting my points thus far... I do not think Vulgar Reverie is a bad game. I think it had the potential of being a 5 stars gem, at least for me. But, it turned out to be just another 3 stars meh game... Again, at least for me-- to emphasize that this is my opnion and not me trying to pass it off as facts-- playing the content we have so far from this game is much like being teased for hours on end with a sumptuous feast, only to be served fishbone soup with no seasoning when it comes time to actually eat our meal.
 
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Owlearyn

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By the way, has there been any "What if" arts posted on patreon? I remember there was a raffle at the end of September but then just nothing in October and November, no results, no new raffles?
 

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I thought there was a continuation of the story for the latest update, but it was not until I realize, the scene with Jack and Amelia was extended. It's better than the last one I'll say.
 

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Tobais

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This game has only your kink?? Just don't click on protagonist dreams?
No interracial content so far?

I don't get you, the game is tailored for you, yet you write as a complaint but it's actually a request?? So? Some sort of manipulative way of getting your way through?
Tbh, I even want you guys soon to do it more so that the devs stops listening more
Uh, no? I was purely giving my opinion of the game. You can call it a small review if you like. I didn't make any complaints. I even specifically said I've loved most of the game so far.
 
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