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- Dec 4, 2022
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Enjoyed the update a lot, the teasing in this one was extra spicy.
- Dec 4, 2022
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Consent isn't something you have to ask for every time, it can be an ongoing agreement. I do think it could have been better portrayed, but it's quite clear that this was just roleplaying, and not actually cheating. It's not netorare vibes AT ALL. You're really jaded, probably from past experiences with other games. You're free to feel that way, but you're honestly just projecting. Also, "netorase" is ALL forms of consensual sharing. It doesn't have to be with your partner present, or with "reclaiming" afterwards. I really enjoy swinging focused games as well, especially with both partners present. However, sometimes things switch up in these types of games, and I for one have no problem with that. As long as there's no actual cheating, and it's only roleplay and teasing, it's 100% fine. I expected this type of content from the start, if you somehow didn't, that's on you.
Personally I don't think this new update goes too much in NTR territory - I think they established decently well that he finds this hot, and she's fucked a different man once now, and it seems to be clear that he'd be excited if she did something with a colleague on the trip, so she obliges. So, as far as consent goes, it was there, and she didn't do anything else he wouldn't want (as far as we know, which so far we have no reason to distrust).
The part I would concede though is that the bull is a very typical NTR character. She uses him and acts out the cheating wife just to play it up for the MC, but the bull is still really unlikable - It's the first character in the story that I don't like. He's just a sleazy, sexually harassing asshole, trying to corrupt a married woman. Just makes it feel kinda gross.
ps: I expected it to be a live video call. I thought that might've been hotter than a pre-recorded vid.
pss: I found it a little weird that there was no mention of a condom by anyone. Until he came I legit thought she might've been doing it raw and was a bit concerned. A little bit of a missed opportunity to add some tension by having him guess, or at least think about it.
The part I would concede though is that the bull is a very typical NTR character. She uses him and acts out the cheating wife just to play it up for the MC, but the bull is still really unlikable - It's the first character in the story that I don't like. He's just a sleazy, sexually harassing asshole, trying to corrupt a married woman. Just makes it feel kinda gross.
ps: I expected it to be a live video call. I thought that might've been hotter than a pre-recorded vid.
pss: I found it a little weird that there was no mention of a condom by anyone. Until he came I legit thought she might've been doing it raw and was a bit concerned. A little bit of a missed opportunity to add some tension by having him guess, or at least think about it.
I agree with some people with not liking the direction. This is turning into full cuck, instead of sharing and swinging.
There was literally a choice to let her have fun and then the word reclaim is used, so I expected more. Like if you are on the sub side, with the beach dude, he should of had sex with her a second time like it happened, but on the dom side, it should of been you stopping him and you getting a turn, maybe she sucks him off, but you literally reclaim her, instead the dom path is the exact same as sub side, expect maybe some slight dialogue choices.
And now with this update and previous updates and future bull, it seems this is going full cuck instead of the sharing that I wanted. So it is a shame, that the dev decided to do this. Just disappointing.
There was literally a choice to let her have fun and then the word reclaim is used, so I expected more. Like if you are on the sub side, with the beach dude, he should of had sex with her a second time like it happened, but on the dom side, it should of been you stopping him and you getting a turn, maybe she sucks him off, but you literally reclaim her, instead the dom path is the exact same as sub side, expect maybe some slight dialogue choices.
And now with this update and previous updates and future bull, it seems this is going full cuck instead of the sharing that I wanted. So it is a shame, that the dev decided to do this. Just disappointing.
- May 29, 2022
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It is a GOOD thing this game is going full cuckold, this is the way things should be. Cuckold & Hotwife is much more interesting and hot than plain, vanilla sharing. Nice Work Dev!
- Jun 10, 2017
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I enjoy NTR and NTI more than NTS, but I can't help but agree with some of the other commentators here. The game has choices for different routes—one for being a sub-partner and one for being a more dominant partner. In the beginning, having those routes feels pointless if the only thing that changes is purely dialogue. Especially since things are starting to get out of his control. Now his wife, even if consensual, is doing things without him there, with someone who doesn't seem to respect him. The wife loves her husband, and even if roleplay, should make sure he's somewhat aware of what is happening. Something that is not apparent in this is reassurance. My main favorite point of this VN was the love aspect these two shared. Even though she was a free and sorta wild person, she clearly loved her husband. She especially was doing this more for him than herself. I was expecting this story to go the route of what Perfect Housewife did, where even though the husband shares her, he's there for almost all the interactions in some sort of way, and most of the people who are there respect him, especially his wife. He clearly takes priority over any bull, but he enjoys mainly watching too. This was like that in the beginning, but the route it's going now is worrying me. As I said, I enjoy NTR and NTI, but it'd hurt a lot to see this guy lose his wife, especially after everything they did to escape the mafia to live together.
If you want to have an NTR path, put it behind the sub-partner route, and have the NTS path stay with the dominant path. Then hopefully you won't start losing more members who enjoy this VN.
Edit: Okay, after watching the scene and listening to the before and after commentary... it's not that bad... Honestly, it could've been worse. She even mentions him doing reclaim sex the day after, it's just she can't then because she's at a hotel. It doesn't seem she's still with him, and she mentioned another guy and said with her husband's permission. It doesn't seem to be going down the NTR route that some others were mentioning, it was just a one-off situation, with her husband on her mind the whole time despite it all. It's not bad at all. Honestly, it could've been worse, where she didn't think about him and just did as she pleased, but she did all this for him, even if she was the main one getting pleasure out of it. She was losing herself the most when she was brought to think about him, knowing how he'd react to the content. I liked this update, and honestly, the guy was an ass, but I don't know if it's going to go down the bull aspect as some people are worried about. We don't even know if the new guy they're bringing up is gonna be an asshole like this guy. She could just fuck around with multiple guys with her husband's permission, just like the fmc in Perfect Housewife. I can't wait to see the next update, keep up the amazing work!
If you want to have an NTR path, put it behind the sub-partner route, and have the NTS path stay with the dominant path. Then hopefully you won't start losing more members who enjoy this VN.
Edit: Okay, after watching the scene and listening to the before and after commentary... it's not that bad... Honestly, it could've been worse. She even mentions him doing reclaim sex the day after, it's just she can't then because she's at a hotel. It doesn't seem she's still with him, and she mentioned another guy and said with her husband's permission. It doesn't seem to be going down the NTR route that some others were mentioning, it was just a one-off situation, with her husband on her mind the whole time despite it all. It's not bad at all. Honestly, it could've been worse, where she didn't think about him and just did as she pleased, but she did all this for him, even if she was the main one getting pleasure out of it. She was losing herself the most when she was brought to think about him, knowing how he'd react to the content. I liked this update, and honestly, the guy was an ass, but I don't know if it's going to go down the bull aspect as some people are worried about. We don't even know if the new guy they're bringing up is gonna be an asshole like this guy. She could just fuck around with multiple guys with her husband's permission, just like the fmc in Perfect Housewife. I can't wait to see the next update, keep up the amazing work!
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yeah, i don't really care for the direction the game seems to be going so i think i'm gonna drop it from my list
- Aug 31, 2019
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What, you guys can't handle a little cucking?
Anyways, nice update, better than 0.08.
Anyways, nice update, better than 0.08.
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great update!
How would everyone here describe Amelias personality? IM trying to create a chatbot with AI and would appreciate any ideas or tips for personality and backstory
How would everyone here describe Amelias personality? IM trying to create a chatbot with AI and would appreciate any ideas or tips for personality and backstory
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I have the impression that the dev is a bit torn about the direction he would like the story to take. At times he portrays the wife character as loving and completely devoted to her husband, who would never want to intentionally hurt him. Sometimes, she seems genuinely uncertain about the idea of sleeping with other men. I must admit that this is the direction that I personally like better.
On the other hand, in some instances, especially during the hotel scene in the latest update, Amelia acts as if she has no problem doing anything with anyone if the desire strikes her. Of course, some of this can be attributed to her desire to tease her husband, stimulating his jealousy. But again, everything that happened in the hotel was communicated to husband in the form of simply passed information. Without agreeing on anything. Just pure improvisation and hope that she will guess what her husband is ok with. This seems even more toxic when we read the inner thoughts of a husband who is considering whether he should talk to his wife about the doubts and uncertainty he feels about her trip to the hotel.
At this point it seems to me that the most sensible solution would be to create two paths, which theoretically already exist, although personally I cannot say that I see any significant differences between them. The first path is one where the wife realizes her plans and ideas on how their relationship in the matter of cuckolding will look like. As it is so far. The second path, however, is one where she establishes more things and communicates them with her husband in advance. Either way, it is an absolutely fantastic looking game with a story that arouses emotions. The only problem seems to be how differently we all interpret what netorase and netorare are.
On the other hand, in some instances, especially during the hotel scene in the latest update, Amelia acts as if she has no problem doing anything with anyone if the desire strikes her. Of course, some of this can be attributed to her desire to tease her husband, stimulating his jealousy. But again, everything that happened in the hotel was communicated to husband in the form of simply passed information. Without agreeing on anything. Just pure improvisation and hope that she will guess what her husband is ok with. This seems even more toxic when we read the inner thoughts of a husband who is considering whether he should talk to his wife about the doubts and uncertainty he feels about her trip to the hotel.
At this point it seems to me that the most sensible solution would be to create two paths, which theoretically already exist, although personally I cannot say that I see any significant differences between them. The first path is one where the wife realizes her plans and ideas on how their relationship in the matter of cuckolding will look like. As it is so far. The second path, however, is one where she establishes more things and communicates them with her husband in advance. Either way, it is an absolutely fantastic looking game with a story that arouses emotions. The only problem seems to be how differently we all interpret what netorase and netorare are.
- Jan 7, 2018
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That's exactly how i feel about the update, and one point i really thought i was at the passiv route. So i hope in future updates there is more of a difference between the two paths. But thats the only negativ point about the game for me overall the game is really good!
Hmm.. My experience is that if you introduce two paths, the VN goes to hell, because one path gets priority over the other. Also - With two paths the amount of work will be doubled, making progress of the complete VN slow down considerably. It even can lead to slowing down progress to a crawl and finally to abandoning the VN all together.
Let's hope the author keeps true to the Netorase core of this VN and does not split this VN up in two (or even more) routes. I am afraid that would lead ultimately to the death of this VN. I liked the original premise of this VN, and want to see this coming back in later updates.
yea its seems to take the direction of netorase phone where the Fmc stops to listening to Mc's opinion over her own decision and interest
- Jan 10, 2018
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I've not played that many games that include NTR/NTS, but as long as the MC likes what's happening, shouldn't it still be considered 100% NTS? As long as that continues the game will stick to being NTS. Especially considering you don't really get any choices in this update, so it's not like you can choose "oh I don't like this" or whatever.
- Jan 7, 2018
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Yes i agree with you sorry my english is not good what i mean as far as i know there are two routes passive/active , i just hope in the active route the mc acts more confident and this is not turning in an other IWH where the MC is always so insecure.
- Dec 4, 2022
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I see some people mentioning there being a sub and dom path, but in reality that's not actually true, at least it has never appeared that way. A better way to accurately describe the two paths would be sub/passive (with optional humiliation), and non-passive. There isn't really a dominate path, and never has been if you've actually been paying attention to the dialogue. I personally would prefer if it WAS a dom path, but it has never tried to portray that path as such to be honest. You don't have to be a dom or stag to reclaim, even full on cucks like to reclaim sometimes and even use the term. I can understand some people's disappointment, and I wouldn't mind seeing the MC being a little more assertive on the non-passive path too.
I also think some of the dialogue could be improved to make certain things more clear, like the fact that there's no discussion about her fucking someone else without her husband present or ever asking him. We never get to see such a conversation. It could always be path dependent too, like, if on the submissive/humiliation path, she could do it without a conversation ever taking place, but on the other path they talk about it first, and she asks his opinion on doing it.
I also think some of the dialogue could be improved to make certain things more clear, like the fact that there's no discussion about her fucking someone else without her husband present or ever asking him. We never get to see such a conversation. It could always be path dependent too, like, if on the submissive/humiliation path, she could do it without a conversation ever taking place, but on the other path they talk about it first, and she asks his opinion on doing it.
- May 23, 2022
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I hope everything works out well for protagnist-kun and it doesn't spiral out of control....
- Jan 7, 2018
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This is from the devs himself and i trust them. The number one reason i support them is
These include Active, "dom" talk from MC in regards to his wife (dirty talk from the MC to the wife with loving and rough sex with her)
Or a more Passive role where she enjoys teasing and humilating you a little (but always and ever only for the sake of turning you on).
There is never any danger of her leaving you or falling for any other guy apart from you.
