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HappyCrab
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Don't create strawmen. No one complained. Saxo just made a change to fit what they had in mind. Quote from 11.A release post:
"I have also tweaked and altered the writing a little for the build up and beginning of the H-Scene and added a follow up conversation at the end to better convey what I wanted to show with the scene with Karman changing Amelia's expression in the H-Scene art to better fit what we wanted to go for too!"
He was being rapey, that's all. Anyone crying about it should go check whether the game has a rape tag or not, no it does not have one and should not have any element like that near it. Glad dev made the change.In fact, she became comfortable only after the husband arrived, so clearly was being forced. The guy was just like a rapist who cannot stand sexy woman, but got something because the woman happend to be Amelia.
That´s just not true man... You didnt get the scene at all. Even with the dev telling you what was happening you still dont understand.
So explain it to us? Since you seem to know so much.
How about no, that shit has been nitpicked to death already since the last update dropped.
The intent just wasn't clearly showing in the text. This is part of how art works. You're aiming for one thing, but make misteps, and only see some issues after you've had some distance from it, or hear input from others. Iteration is completely normal. Normally you'd heavily iterate a story multiple times before releasing it to the public, but we normally don't see that because we only tend to see the final product. Here the story is being written and released in small chunks, so we get to see these artifacts. If anything, people should be encouraging them to do this more, and not be afraid to revisit and rewrite parts of the story in order to make it better.
I already have. Twice, actually. I'm not getting into it again, but to think this was rape (or that Ame didn't intend for it to happen) is just not understanding the text.
NTR Sommelier
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If the dev wants to change, that is his choice, but we shouldn't be encouraging it. The reality is that people are different, and no matter what, some scene, kink, dialogue, whatever will not be to their liking, if the dev were to change everytime a controversy arose, then the game would lose its way and its soul, it wouldn't be "Vulgar Reverie by Saxxonado" anymore, but a game "designed by committee" which is simply awful, since there would be no coherent vision, pacing, and tone anymore. I'm not saying that the latest change means Saxxy will follow this path. But we SHOULD NOT encourage it.
I'm not saying he should change things based on controversy or the whims of others, but based on trying to make the best work he can given what he's aiming for. Take in feedback, evaluate your work after some time, and then see if there's ways you can improve it. It's iteration.
Given the patreon model, there is an inherent pull toward not wanting to change things, because people get attached to the first version of a thing they saw, and are generally averse to change. With this tiny tweak we already saw some people lashing out. I'm saying that despite that, it's a healthy thing to do, and we should encourage him to not be afraid to tweak things, big or small, if the goal is to make the best game he can. And also we shouldn't be afraid to voice our feedback. That's how good art is made.
What an awful take!!!! It is a NTS, not a game with a tag of rape. Nothing will change that. Calm down, she was flustered when that idiot rapist assaulted her.
d183
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Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about tangerines.
HappyCrab
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I don't think anyone is encouraging it and I've yet to see evidence. I've been subscribed to his Patreon since v0.4 (nearly a year back) and with every update, there were only words of encouragement to keep doing what he's doing if you looked at the comments on his posts. This idea that fans are causing the change I think is being picked out of thin air, and I'll disregard this idea that Saxo is making changes due to peer pressure until I see it with my own eyes. On top of that, Saxo has made it clear before that he will listen to his community to a certain extent but in the end he won't sacrifice the relationship between Leon/MC and Ammie.
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Gents I think we have been heard
everyone, happy Friday!
Karman and I are hard at work on V0.12 at the moment, but we're also currently working on better planning and organization for upcoming versions and improving our work flow to avoid burnout!
As a part of this, we're discussing when to release each new version and when to announce actual dates of release on months where we are particularly busy with irl jobs and responsibilities, cause we want to avoid disappointing you all with missing deadlines and overworking ourselves by staying up til around 4am on a work night to get art and coding done!
Being able to release new versions with the quality you all deserve is always our number one goal, and we want to be able to continuously deliver this with no compromise!
We'll let you all know next week what we come up with!
Thank you for being the best supporters, we value each and every one of you. Enjoy the rest of your weekends
-saxy
everyone, happy Friday!
Karman and I are hard at work on V0.12 at the moment, but we're also currently working on better planning and organization for upcoming versions and improving our work flow to avoid burnout!
As a part of this, we're discussing when to release each new version and when to announce actual dates of release on months where we are particularly busy with irl jobs and responsibilities, cause we want to avoid disappointing you all with missing deadlines and overworking ourselves by staying up til around 4am on a work night to get art and coding done!
Being able to release new versions with the quality you all deserve is always our number one goal, and we want to be able to continuously deliver this with no compromise!
We'll let you all know next week what we come up with!
Thank you for being the best supporters, we value each and every one of you. Enjoy the rest of your weekends
-saxy
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Crixuz
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After reading through most of this thread I'm glad I don't have any issues with anything the developer are doing.
My brother in christ it's renpy, it is so easy to change dialogue in the code a headless monkey on fent could do it. There's a bunch of youtube tutorials.Someone can code and wants to try to mod in a better active route with me?
Keep the mod to yourself though, respect the dev's vision!
Could you explain to me how my proposed changes disrespect the dev's vision?
My problem with the dev is that he isn't fulfilling his vision of the game that he communicated to the player through his advertising and dialogue on what he refers to as a "strong" path with an "active" protagonist.
Dev gives player the choice what MC turns on MC most about the entire sharing scenario.
In the following scene MC is actually described as taking more initiative. Ammie also realises that reclaiming her and outdoing the bulls is what turns MC on the most. That's what the dev communicates to the player through text and dialogue explicitly.
The dev has completely dropped following up on the "reclaiming" choice. Not for lack of opportunity or because it would've been too much effort to implement. 50-100 lines of dialogue, 1 or 2 cg's and a couple variable checks could at least get you a passable strong route.
He still advertises this MC on itch.io
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but afaik the game isn't free. Only free version I can find officially is 0.05 on itch.io
Coincedently, one of the last versions with any semblance of an "active" and "strong" MC (before Geist shows up).
If you paid money to see more of this "active" "strong" "little more in control" MC after trying the free version, I wouldn't blame you for feeling scammed at this point in the game.
I don't want to call the dev a scammer though. I don't think he crafted the semblance of a strong route to milk people for their money.
I can completely understand that he's simply focussing on the kind of content he, and obviously the majority of his audience, are interested in.
I would simply like to see him acknowledging that in the game and dropping the pretense of a strong protag. Call it what it is - "humiliation route" and "gentle femdom route".
Or, rework the "active" route and actually implement an active and strong protag. Like I've said before, it wouldn't take a huge amount of effort, and wouldn't change any of the already existing routes.
I didn't communicate well in my previous posts. I am trying to provide constructive criticism though. Wouldn't have typed that many suggestions to improve the strong route otherwise.
If a dev is honest and transparent with his vision and goals for a game I completely respect that. If the game isn't for me, I don't play it.
I can see from the preview images of your game "Nyatorase" that it isn't going to be to my tastes. Did I go into your threat and complain about it?
This game is different. An active protag was advertised and implemented up to a certain point in the game, and then dropped. That's what I'm criticizing and hoping for the dev to improve upon, however he sees fit.
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