HTML West Has Fallen: Reeducation [v0.2.0b] [bastardSon099]

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Candy1970

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thx you all for your support and comments!!!


unfortunately i cant remember :(


good point, i will try to make option to disable it. thx!
agreed the blurry words make me think i need to go to the eye doctor again, i get that they are supposed to be the inner thoughts or the character, but i think the different color text is enough.
 
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Troqu

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This was a great update that I once again wish I had the willpower to resist. I'd like to have a more substantial play session, but I can't stop myself.
 
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mathmf

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Very nice game, one thing i noticed is that the casey Gloryhole event keeps repeating, aside from that i didn't notice any other bug.

I'm looking forward to the next update!!!
 
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Hikka69

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Version: 0.2.0b
I've played through the content that is currently available twice. For the submissive MC and for the resisting one.

For the resisting one, the MC behaves like a schizophrenic. He either stands on principle and is ready to overcome, or gives in and almost happily does everything that is required of him. Which kind of hints to us that this path simply exists, so that it would be.

Is it even worth commenting on the fact that, in essence, the only way to preserve one's "dignity" is to enter into a homosexual relationship with another "beta", suspiciously resembling a "decoy duck" in this "chicken coop"?

The unreality of everything that is happening is striking. It's just hard to believe.

With the current level of pressure, even among the infantile mama's boys there would be many who, unable to withstand it, would go crazy (you know that these are the guys who shoot their classmates, right?). Starting with the banal shaving of the hair on the head, resisting feminization, ending with self-harm, including suicide, and sticking a shiv into the belly of the "strict teacher", who so conveniently likes to be alone with her "victims" and does not look like a master of sports in wrestling.

In other words. With the current level of violence, this institution lacks security. In reality, everything would have ended VERY BADLY. Moreover, the "teacher" would have been sent around in a circle of "alphas" first, without waiting for the "beta" to break down. And if the "beta" had been put on hormones, as the "teacher" threatens, a real "Texas chainsaw massacre" would have begun. Does the author even watch the news? A transvestite on hormones is literally a berserker space marine of Khorne. And here, no one is stopping you from pumping up your biceps in the gym and there are all sorts of irons around without supervision, take as much as you want.

In general. With the current plot, the author needs to turn this institution into a real prison. Otherwise, it's the ravings of a madman.

If he wants to continue to flirt with the "school atmosphere", then the process of feminization and other brainwashing should happen smoothly and non-violently. Where the "guinea pigs" should be encouraged and convinced more.

As for this whole topic with "alphas" and "betas". In reality, it would be enough to spread a rumor. That everything that is happening is a sinister eugenic experiment by the government, with the goal of excluding all the guinea pigs from reproduction, so that women would only go to the chosen ones (and among the guys forcibly brought here, there are clearly none, no matter what the "alphas" say about their coolness). After all, in essence, all the guys in this center are forcibly made homosexuals, the only difference is that the "alphas" are active, and the "betas" are passive. Pointing this out to the "alphas", throwing out a rumor about the secret sterilization of everyone kept here. Hinting that everything that happens here will soon become known "on the outside" (which is logical, they will all be released after some time) and everyone will know that they raped their former classmates and neighbors in the shower. Moreover, by that time they will no longer have an erection for women, but only for guys in women's underwear. They will be infertile and the likelihood of ever having a heterosexual family and children is zero. And that all this was originally intended this way.

Considering that the "alphas" mostly spend their time idle, such a rumor would have spread like wildfire.

Finally, about "brainwashing". If one video with flashing dicks is enough to make a guy doubt his sexual orientation, then why was it necessary to bring them all here, keep them, feed them, and water them. It is actually expensive, very expensive. Force them to go to the hospital where they live, under threat of criminal liability, for routine coronavirus prevention. And then inject them with all sorts of forbidden things in their asses and play videos until they turn blue. So the main character himself would run to suck cocks in the nearest toilet and buy women's clothes with his own money.
Of course, I am not a supporter of conspiracy theories and your government does nothing like that to you, really.
 

bastardSon099

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Dec 9, 2021
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Version: 0.2.0b
I've played through the content that is currently available twice. For the submissive MC and for the resisting one.

For the resisting one, the MC behaves like a schizophrenic. He either stands on principle and is ready to overcome, or gives in and almost happily does everything that is required of him. Which kind of hints to us that this path simply exists, so that it would be.

Is it even worth commenting on the fact that, in essence, the only way to preserve one's "dignity" is to enter into a homosexual relationship with another "beta", suspiciously resembling a "decoy duck" in this "chicken coop"?

The unreality of everything that is happening is striking. It's just hard to believe.

With the current level of pressure, even among the infantile mama's boys there would be many who, unable to withstand it, would go crazy (you know that these are the guys who shoot their classmates, right?). Starting with the banal shaving of the hair on the head, resisting feminization, ending with self-harm, including suicide, and sticking a shiv into the belly of the "strict teacher", who so conveniently likes to be alone with her "victims" and does not look like a master of sports in wrestling.

In other words. With the current level of violence, this institution lacks security. In reality, everything would have ended VERY BADLY. Moreover, the "teacher" would have been sent around in a circle of "alphas" first, without waiting for the "beta" to break down. And if the "beta" had been put on hormones, as the "teacher" threatens, a real "Texas chainsaw massacre" would have begun. Does the author even watch the news? A transvestite on hormones is literally a berserker space marine of Khorne. And here, no one is stopping you from pumping up your biceps in the gym and there are all sorts of irons around without supervision, take as much as you want.

In general. With the current plot, the author needs to turn this institution into a real prison. Otherwise, it's the ravings of a madman.

If he wants to continue to flirt with the "school atmosphere", then the process of feminization and other brainwashing should happen smoothly and non-violently. Where the "guinea pigs" should be encouraged and convinced more.

As for this whole topic with "alphas" and "betas". In reality, it would be enough to spread a rumor. That everything that is happening is a sinister eugenic experiment by the government, with the goal of excluding all the guinea pigs from reproduction, so that women would only go to the chosen ones (and among the guys forcibly brought here, there are clearly none, no matter what the "alphas" say about their coolness). After all, in essence, all the guys in this center are forcibly made homosexuals, the only difference is that the "alphas" are active, and the "betas" are passive. Pointing this out to the "alphas", throwing out a rumor about the secret sterilization of everyone kept here. Hinting that everything that happens here will soon become known "on the outside" (which is logical, they will all be released after some time) and everyone will know that they raped their former classmates and neighbors in the shower. Moreover, by that time they will no longer have an erection for women, but only for guys in women's underwear. They will be infertile and the likelihood of ever having a heterosexual family and children is zero. And that all this was originally intended this way.

Considering that the "alphas" mostly spend their time idle, such a rumor would have spread like wildfire.

Finally, about "brainwashing". If one video with flashing dicks is enough to make a guy doubt his sexual orientation, then why was it necessary to bring them all here, keep them, feed them, and water them. It is actually expensive, very expensive. Force them to go to the hospital where they live, under threat of criminal liability, for routine coronavirus prevention. And then inject them with all sorts of forbidden things in their asses and play videos until they turn blue. So the main character himself would run to suck cocks in the nearest toilet and buy women's clothes with his own money.
Of course, I am not a supporter of conspiracy theories and your government does nothing like that to you, really.
Hikka69 hi ! ! ! and thanks for the detailed comment. id love to respond to everything, but ill keep it selective cause i'm at work....... and because i can't respond to everything to avoid going into future plans for the game

about the news and the general lack of realism — yes, a lot of things currently rely on conventions, and we're deliberately avoiding some of the topics you mentioned. we're fully aware of what this could look like in real life. we don't want to write about that at all and aren't exploring that direction because, for us, it would simply be too much. there's currently only one semi-hidden event that touches on the idea that not everyone here is mentally ok and that suicidal thoughts exist among some characters. but i feel like we won't go deeper into such topics

in other words, we want to keep the setting satirical, with many things exaggerated and absurd, and maintain some conventions. but i think you're right in pointing out that we could find additional "foundations" for the narrative to give better reasoning behind everything without pushing it into genuinely harsh living conditions in the clinic

as for the idea that the resistance path goes through entering into homosexual relationships..... that's not entirely correct. if it seemed that way to you, that's bad (for us as developers, since weve clearly done something wrong)

and yeah, thinking about it, the resistance path can indeed look a bit inconsistent. we've been trying — and are still trying — to make the gameplay for this path revolve around "sacrificing something to avoid failing completely". i think we will continue developing this path in the same manner but with added polishing yeah

thatsss all i think. wanted to say thank you again for the detailed feedback. usually, we either get overwhelmingly negative opinions without specifics or overly positive ones, also without specifics. overall, i think we're relatively meeting the audience's expectations right now, but i'm glad people like you help us spot weak points and give us the chance to see the issues more clearly

with lov for you <3 now i'll get back to work so bye-bye, and if you have any more thoughts, feel free to message me here, in dms, or on discord!!!!!!!! i try to reply whenever i'm not too tired (or not too busy)


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Hikka69

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Hikka69 hi ! ! !
"at the moment there is only one semi-hidden event that touches on the idea that not everything is ok here with the psyche and that some characters have suicidal thoughts."

Yes, the blade in the bathroom, I noticed. And I was surprised that you seemed to understand, but did not say. Now I understand your position more clearly.

You can give the main character the opportunity to organize minor sabotage, opposing what is happening. Clog the sewer, for example. Or cause a small fire for the cook. While cleaning the rooms, you can plant incriminating evidence so that other people will be responsible for your exploits. That would be funny at least.

I also wanted to say that the "alphas" surprisingly do not understand that what they do here can be used against them. I think of the guards from Guantanamo. Who probably also thought that since they serve the state, they are not in danger. In our case, these "alphas" can be threatened and later forced to do all sorts of shit, or go to a real prison, where their asses will be played with in the shower.
That black bully, familiar to the main character, should understand how this works. All the bullies I knew from childhood clearly understood. Even the dumbest of them probably suspected that there were hidden cameras and microphones everywhere in this place.

" as for the idea that the path of resistance lies through entering into homosexual relations... "

This guy seemed very suspicious to me. He had women's clothes hanging in his closet, even before the MC (and everyone else?) was forced to change. Did I understand that correctly? I even caught myself thinking that when he showed that he had a key, for me it would have been the last straw. I probably would have beaten some answers out of him. :3

And yes, it seemed to me that the path of resistance is the MC insisting on his heterosexuality. And therefore the line with this guy actively restoring our self-esteem is not just bad, it's strange.

p.s. I advise you to take a look at the game: Ready to Reform (available on this site). In case you haven't already. The plot is somewhat similar and some moments are really well realized. I kept catching myself comparing you and them.

For example, the moment is well played out that in such conditions, in order to get something, it is not just money that is important, but acquaintances, mutual services.

Skill leveling and subsequent checks in quests. It is nice, you understand that your efforts were not in vain.

Well, and the fact that the main character has something to choose from, even if he is forced to do something. You feel like you are playing, and not scrolling through a visual novel, pressing "next".
 

bastardSon099

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Dec 9, 2021
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sorry, just got back to my pc

"You can give the main character the opportunity to organize minor sabotage, opposing what is happening."

yeah, but there's a problem — it would create a strong contrast with the submissive/unsuccessful resistance path. the thing is, events like that don't really fit an adult-oriented playthrough. or they could, but it would feel poorly tied in or just strange. we've looked into this, but honestly, it's hard in terms of the cost/fun ratio: developing stuff like that takes a lot of time.

BUT!! the ideas you've written later about alphas are actually pretty good. i'm not sure how much of it we could use specifically, but it definitely feels like something we can work with.

"This guy seemed very suspicious to me."

:) well, look, i can't really talk about this right now. let's save this conversation for the future. all i can say is you've got it right. but as someone in the comments pointed out, there should still be something good in this clinic. and, as you can see, these two things are in conflict. we're trying to balance them out right now.

by the way, the resistance path isn't really tied to elijah — it's more about casey (the janitor). he's one of the key characters for this path at the moment, but in the future, it won't all revolve around him. for now, he's kind of the starting point. elijah is disconnected from the “resist or not resist” choice. but yeah, he does give you dignity bonuses, which we simply explain by the fact that he's the only person in the game (so far) who treats you decently and doesn't crush your sense of self-worth.

about "ready to reform" — i think i missed it, actually. will check it today. thanks for the recommendation!
 
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