Recommending Western Sharing Games List

[reidanota]

feel like a lot of players, even in sharing games, don't want their girl to have any kind of emotional attraction to her lover (I don't like the word "bull") and thus his role is that of a human dildo. If they do anything else, players feel like it's going into NTR territory ("he's becoming her bf"). Sure, you may say it doesn't mean he has to be an asshole. And I agree. But it often means he has no real personality and thus can't really be "likeable".

This was good food for thought. I agree with "a lot of players" in that I don't like the LI in a sharing game to have emotional attraction to her other partners. You're making me think whether that sleaziness and unlikability is a must for that to work - sure, it helps reassure players that their LI will never fall for such "assholes" but, at the same time, it does carry the NTR feeling of antagonists scheming to steal your girl, which is very much a common trope and makes a game more boring. This doesn't invalidate your point, which makes sense and is what got me thinking. But you can make other characters "human dildos" without making them completely unlikable. One way is for the story to invest in the couple dynamics as the reassurance factor - and the contrast between the emotional attachment of the couple and the casual nature of NTS encounters. Sure, it can make NTR and NTS more difficult to conciliate - but not impossible. Maybe, in the end, it's all down to what the author is interested in, either they prefer sharing or NTR, and the story will be better suited to one or the other, with few exceptions where the author would have managed to nail both.
Edit: don't want to imply that NTS and NTR always have to go hand in hand as optional routes. It's great that lately there have been a few titles that aim specifically at sharing, not just as a side-path in an NTR focused game.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I agree with all your points but I remember a period when I had a colleague lodging with me. He was ruggedly handsome, muscular, a black belt in Judo and a complete bastard. The ladies loved him, despite knowing that he would use and abuse them. Maybe they were attracted to his commanding (arrogant) personality, maybe they felt he was a good breadwinner, I have no idea, but he was a shining example of women being drawn to bastards. On the other side of the coin I have friends who are gentle, thoughtful and empathic and women have enjoyed hugging them, sharing thoughts and coffee, and becoming close friends with them, but wouldn't consider them as potential lovers. The upshot of which is that if a woman is going to be unfaithful in an NTR route it's more likely she will do so with a bastard, whilst in a sharing situation she is still going to lean toward the dominant personality but being more aware of her partners feelings. On that subject, the sharing partner, he needs to be pretty damned confident in himself to go with sharing in the first place. If someone wants to see their partner fucked by a hobo etcetra that is just a power trip to humiliate and she would have to be a real sub to run with it.

If I can jump in - I think a core difference is (at least in my experience where I've seen similar) - the real world versions of those characters are all fairly attractive, whereas the avn versions tend to be deliberately unsightly.

That's my main sticking point on this topic, I know there's a wide variety of preferences, for me it's the common avn antagonist trope of being both a bastard and gross as hell. At least if they're good looking it's someone believable as you described, but that's rare, usually it's this moronic trope of "she lost herself so much in pleasure she didn't even care they were old or gross or whatever". I can safely say even if I were near-passed out drunk I'd still object to a 300 pound ugly woman trying to mount me, but that doesnt matter in the gooned out mind.

As for why those tropes seem so popular, I'd chalk it up to a simple numbers game:



Note while harem fans dont want the LIs sleeping around, they'd prefer the male characters they inevitable best to be disney villians, ambiguity doesn't play well here.

I entirely respect your stance but would point out that you're making use of an anecdotal fallacy - using personal experiences or isolated examples to support a universal claim. That SOME women are attracted to bastards and to dominance doesn't mean that's a feature of womanhood.

I think the number of women/girls attracted to bastards IRL is FAR overstated especially by men. Women like hot guys. Said hot guys can be assholes, or they can be kind, either are secondary. (obviously they're often assholes, as they can get away with it) Yes, there are a % of women who specifically go for criminality and hyperdominance, I'd guess that's an extremely small subset of the broader group who'd look past that stuff if the package was right.

 

[HoM11]

If I can jump in - I think a core difference is (at least in my experience where I've seen similar) - the real world versions of those characters are all fairly attractive, whereas the avn versions tend to be deliberately unsightly.

That's my main sticking point on this topic, I know there's a wide variety of preferences, for me it's the common avn antagonist trope of being both a bastard and gross as hell. At least if they're good looking it's someone believable as you described, but that's rare, usually it's this moronic trope of "she lost herself so much in pleasure she didn't even care they were old or gross or whatever". I can safely say even if I were near-passed out drunk I'd still object to a 300 pound ugly woman trying to mount me, but that doesnt matter in the gooned out mind.

As for why those tropes seem so popular, I'd chalk it up to a simple numbers game:

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Note while harem fans dont want the LIs sleeping around, they'd prefer the male characters they inevitable best to be disney villians, ambiguity doesn't play well here.

Sign me up on that right side. I want to see beautiful people have as much sex as they want and everyone feel good about it. It's a game, a fantasy after all. I don't mind seeing average people, but ugly, both physically and morally? Bleh, plenty of that IRL.

 

[Dessolos]

Yeah only way i'd ever be pro ugly bastard is if they turn out to be a good character lol which 99% of the time they won't. I only tolerate them just to see more of the LI in said scenes assuming I even like the FMC enough to do that

 

[reidanota]

I know there's a wide variety of preferences, for me it's the common avn antagonist trope of being both a bastard and gross as hell. At least if they're good looking it's someone believable as you described, but that's rare, usually it's this moronic trope of "she lost herself so much in pleasure she didn't even care they were old or gross or whatever".

Yeah, it's rare that authors will strike that balance of having the LI both physically attracted to other guys and remaining 100% committed to her relationship with the MC. Unfortunately, many of such cases cater to the cuckold fans where the MC is actually submissive and enjoys watching his LI being fucked by his "betters". Take all of those games off the list, and the remaining are scarcely more than a handful.

The dirty old man, the fat security guard, the hung black hobo, etc - makes me think of one aspect where MSC comes short of being a good sharing game (for me, personally).

 

[reidanota]

Cuckqueans is a side-topic that I think falls within the scope of sharing. It's still rare (at least from my searching) and therefore "transgressive" that you have your LI actively seeking to get you laid with other women. We've seen CoM as a prime, recent example, but there are a few others. I'd contrast that game with Beyond Constraints, where the focus of the latter is the cuckquean wife herself and there's no sharing of her (so far). Still, the author managed to do the same "mistake" (imho) as so many sharing authors, where after a while the couple no longer have sex or intimate scenes together, it's scene after scene of her getting you laid with other women (btw that game is worth playing if you care about attractive models).

 

[Ratadan]

I agree on the confidence aspect in sharing. I think a lot of the time people conflate confidence and dominance. A lover in the game can be confident in his looks, charm, ability to please a woman and still be like "Thanks for letting me spend the night with your wonderful wife! I had a great time and hope she did too. Would love to meet you both again!" Instead of trying to be a "conqueror".

As for the colleague example, yeah, respectfully, whenever anyone tries to make a general statement about "what women want", "what men are", etc., unless they have an actual peer-reviewed study to back that up, it's never a good enough evidence. It's a limited sample size, even if your colleague had a hundred sex partners, there all the possible biases from all the people involved (maybe it's just your colleague, who had a particular type, to name the easiest one), no proper method of research, etc., etc.

Good point on the study/colleague but I wasn't trying to make a statement about women rather an answer to why many dev's write 'the other man' as a bastard. I sort of work in the field of biases and such so I fully understand where you are coming from, but we're talking porn here and much is based on generalizations, myths and urban legends and even when studies have been done they are often dodgy at best, and only take a snap shot of cultural preferences at a particular time.

 

[HoM11]

You're making me think whether that sleaziness and unlikability is a must for that to work

I don't think it is.

But you can make other characters "human dildos" without making them completely unlikable.

I completely agree. I would argue in fact that most characters are like that. Including MCs. Here's a thing: most guy characters in porn games have no personality other that nice/polite/friend and asshole/rude/sleezy. Maybe add "joker/funny guy" to show how good of a friend of MC he is. We usually don't know anything about their hobbies, aspirations, views on anything, emotions, struggles, happy moments. It's usually just "I am a kind and polite guy who women fall for and have sex with" or a "douche that women fall for and have sex with". And that's because it works. It's a porn game. We play it primarily to jerk off. And all the "relationship" part of the relationship doesn't really translate well into a porn game, unless the dev is a good writer (can't recommend "Come home" enough in this regard).
So yeah, most guys that aren't unlikable are just a polite dildo if you look at them closely.

One way is for the story to invest in the couple dynamics as the reassurance factor - and the contrast between the emotional attachment of the couple and the casual nature of NTS encounters

It's one of the reasons I like "Netorase Phone" a lot. GF is, by her own admission, a cock-hungry slut. But the amount of mutual reassurances of love, heart emojis and making sure that after gf gets fucked by another guy she comes back to MC to get fucked even better/cuddle/make love is immense.

 

[HoM11]

Good point on the study/colleague but I wasn't trying to make a statement about women rather an answer to why many dev's write 'the other man' as a bastard. I sort of work in the field of biases and such so I fully understand where you are coming from, but we're talking porn here and much is based on generalizations, myths and urban legends and even when studies have been done they are often dodgy at best, and only take a snap shot of cultural preferences at a particular time.

True. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the devs base their games on exactly that: generalizations that they heard from some nobody on the internet, myths, urban legends, IRL porn, limited personal experience, third hand accounts, etc.

 

[CursedByAll]

True. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the devs base their games on exactly that: generalizations that they heard from some nobody on the internet, myths, urban legends, IRL porn, limited personal experience, third hand accounts, etc.

All of those, but especially their subs, mid-game, lol

 

[blkcrow20]

From all the comments, I agree with some and disagree with others. In the end I'm still keeping all the assholes and creeps away from my wife/gf in game. lol And keep hoping some dev does some decent characters to share them with. And no, I don't want her to have emotional attachments to them, I just want them to have sex. I am not into humiliation. I want MC and his wife/gf to have an open, honest relationship while having some fun.

 

[HoM11]

I may have used "emotional attachments" as too strong of an expression. I didn't mean it in the sense that gf/wife develops romantic feelings for her lover. More like she interacts with him outside of bedroom. Kinda-sorta becoming closer to friends with benefits or fuckbuddies. I also wonder if it makes a difference for people if the future lover is a mutual friend from the beginning of the game (maybe it gives a stronger reassurance that since him and MC's gf have known each other for years and haven't developed any romantic feelings, then it's not gonna happen when she's shared with him) compared to them initially just fucking but then the guy becoming closer to a friend to both MC and his gf?

 

[reidanota]

Kinda-sorta becoming closer to friends with benefits or fuckbuddies.

Might chime in here - I'm ok with sharing sex and exhibitionism, where the social condemnation of "promiscuity" and "debauchery" balances out jealousy, making it a hot "kink", but I'm much more jealous of a woman's trust and reliance. I dislike the idea that the MC is in a relationship with a woman that confides in others stuff that she doesn't confide in him. Frankly, it's ok if it's her female best friend, but if she confides her intimate thoughts to a male friend, that crosses a line.

(maybe it gives a stronger reassurance that since him and MC's gf have known each other for years and haven't developed any romantic feelings, then it's not gonna happen when she's shared with him)

Personally, it's not about reassurance, that has to be given by the FLI's attitude and the relationship dynamics with the MC. It's about exclusivity in reliance. It's cool that the LI has "fun" with other guys, but not that they become an important or irreplaceable part of her life. It's not out of my comfort zone if flirting and sharing happen between her and an old friend, but there has to be a strong assumption of casualness. I'm not into sharing her heart

True "love triangle" isn't my thing either, where you and the other guy share the same woman, on the same level, as in a poly relationship. Not that I'm repulsed with the idea, just that I don't see anything exciting or kinky about it. There's no assumption of exclusivity, therefore, no kink in the sharing. And then, it matters "who got there first". If it's the MC that's "invited" into a poly relationship with a couple that were previously together, it feels less like NTR than if you allow a second guy as a "peer" in your previously existing relationship. If it's a casual relationship between all involved, it's just good fun.

 

[blkcrow20]

Agree, I don't want any 'romance' or emotional attachment going on with these other guys. It's strictly for the sex.

 

[Dessolos]

Agree, I don't want any 'romance' or emotional attachment going on with these other guys. It's strictly for the sex.

tbh I like the idea of both but with how dev's make such unlikeable males never will want to see that with the options they give us and rather just use them for sex.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Agree, I don't want any 'romance' or emotional attachment going on with these other guys. It's strictly for the sex.

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I think some sort of attachment is ok. It just depends on how it's done and can easily be a gateway into NTR. For example, take Exciting Games. It's just Nicole fucking with a bunch of strangers. To me, that's not very exciting. But, if it's with someone that she got to know a bit and likes spending time with, it can be very erotic. Just so long as the relationship with husband and wife doesn't fall short.

 

[Noxedia]

tbh I like the idea of both but with how dev's make such unlikeable males never will want to see that with the options they give us and rather just use them for sex.

yeah honestly, it's wild how often the male MCs are just... insufferable. either they're total doormats or they're written like horny sociopaths with zero charm lol

 

[Dessolos]

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I think some sort of attachment is ok. It just depends on how it's done and can easily be a gateway into NTR. For example, take Exciting Games. It's just Nicole fucking with a bunch of strangers. To me, that's not very exciting. But, if it's with someone that she got to know a bit and likes spending time with, it can be very erotic. Just so long as the relationship with husband and wife doesn't fall short.

basically why I like the idea of it. While it is erotic to with strangers for me if there is enough build up and it doesn't take 5 minutes for them start to fuck. It's so much better for me if the FMC has some kind of connection to the guy even if it's just friends or coworkers.

 

[blkcrow20]

I think some sort of attachment is ok. It just depends on how it's done and can easily be a gateway into NTR. For example, take Exciting Games. It's just Nicole fucking with a bunch of strangers. To me, that's not very exciting. But, if it's with someone that she got to know a bit and likes spending time with, it can be very erotic. Just so long as the relationship with husband and wife doesn't fall short.

As is often happens with you Lab, agree to disagree. You have different tastes then I do. And have no interest in that gateway.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

As is often happens with you Lab, agree to disagree. You have different tastes then I do. And have no interest in that gateway.

I wasn't speaking in support of that NTR gateway, you nugget! lol