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Did you play the "swinging" scene? It's either a very clumsy take on swinging, or a slap in the face of those who don't want the full NTR experience. The MC is a wimp, he's uncomfortable with the neighbour's proposal and yet, can't avoid bringing it up with the wife. There's a dreadful tension during the entire episode. The wife is excited when you mention it to her, and makes it very clear that she wants to feel what it's like to be with a dominating guy, and that you can't give her that experience. She also makes it clear there's no chance you're turning back on going. The entire scene at their house is the guy taking control over the script, taking her to another room and ravishing her till she's brain dead, while his wife pity fucks the MC, makes excuses for her husband always taking what he wants and in the end the MC can't even make her cum. They say goodbye with more condescending warnings, knowing the impact the episode had on the MC and FMC, who go home in awkward silence and both avoid a conversation before going to sleep. End of episode. Has no place in anything but hard NTR.
Is this in part 2? I reached only the moment when they did a little swinger party where Zoey loses virginity to the MC and the MC's gf is getting pounded by the black guy. This is why I said the story feels rushed on the "Zoey NTR route" (which apparently also includes "Zoey sharing" subroute). So after this scene there's another one with the neighbor?
 
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Not having played, I may be biased by having read yours and other accounts of that scene, but the convo sounded a bit ambiguous. Definitely not a high spirited note, a bit apologetic even, but it still makes me think that the author is trying to "protect" a cheating path to be followed at any point, by not simply extending the sharing conversations to every possible scene that happens with other girls. But I still prefer she were open to "being there" by enjoying him talking about it (cuckquean). It reminds me of how cheating on Kat felt hollow in Deliverance, a bit while you played, but absolutely when you reach the happy ending and Andrea reminds you that you're both cheaters, with no other bad consequence implied. Just a stain in a blissful ever after.
I like to roleplay a loving hubby so if the wife doesn't enjoy it (and "I don't want to hear about it" defo belongs to "not enjoying it"), then I just don't want to do it. And here we are not given the choice to reply in this vein
 
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So, as I said above for The Adored Marriage, this scenario only plays out if there has been no cheating. Which for the guy means he has had sex with only the wife, and the woman in the swinging scene (which seemed wholly out of place btw, and was like the script was rushed). She has "played" and "teased" other men, while with him, and also without him (which she confesses after the fact) I had full sharing points available at that point, and there were no cheating points attributed to either MC or FMC. She is yet to actually fuck someone else while he isn't there. Just headjobs and handjobs.

The conversation after the final breakfast scene plays differently if either had cheated. As it should.

So, for mine, this was an abrupt turnaround for her to say "I don't wanna know" basically, like the dev was too lazy to write an alternate script, and just wanted to get on with the assumption that MC was going to cheat, and so was she, regardless of whatever had happened to that point. So, without a correction, she is now becoming a hotwife, and he either deals with it his own way (I guess there will be future choices) or it stops?

Remembering that we all make different choices, its only fair that you get a different conversation. (If you cheated for example)
But for my playthrough it was going to be fully consensual sharing and swinging with open dialogue all the way. Which it had completely fulfilled up to that point, to my great satisfaction. Not many games do that for me. She is hot, and loves teasing, which is good.
Now, I am disappointed really. Hence my review here.
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I attached the convo, and fully admit it might lead differently than how it presented to me, but I am wary, I have to say.
I actually had 1 Cheater Wife point, that I didn't know where I got. So I loaded an old save and made sure I had 0 cheating, since I only want wholesome swinging.

The conversation after the final breakfast scene played exactly the same in both cases.

"just wanted to get on with the assumption that MC was going to cheat, and so was she, regardless of whatever had happened to that point. So, without a correction, she is now becoming a hotwife, and he either deals with it his own way (I guess there will be future choices) or it stops?"
I still don't get where is the bridge between point A "I want you to also have fun with other women and I want to be involved,but you can do it without me — I just don't want to "feel like I'm outside looking in", and point B "he is going to cheat and so will she"? Help me understand here.

So, without a correction, she is now becoming a hotwife, and he either deals with it his own way (I guess there will be future choices) or it stops?
I mean, she was already a hotwife? About half of the scenes, maybe more, is her having fun with other men, without her husband participating, and only later telling him about it. How does this conversation change anything? How does it deny that in the future they will have more foursomes or threesomes?
I really don't get it. The way I see it we have (at least) 2 possible ways to interpret the after breakfast words.
1) Yours. With paving the way for mutual cheating.
2) Mine. Where it means only literally what was being said.
She likes how free they are.
Her husband will continue to share her, which just like before will take several forms: he will either watch (scene with delivery boy, as an example), directly participate (Scene with Julie and Matt) or listen to her talk about her solo adventures and get aroused.
He can have fun with other women, with Evelyn or without her. But she either wants to be involved (whatever that may be) or not listen to stories of his solo adventures.

Where is the stuff that makes your way somehow plausible? I am not trying to be rude. Explain to me like I am 5 if needed.

To clarify, this is not a response about being frustrated with lack of symmetry, the cuckqean path (I think it's still possible, btw: when Evelyn is involved she can just watch), that some people have. I get that one. I would prefer it to be that way, though it's not a big deal for me.
 

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Not having played, I may be biased by having read yours and other accounts of that scene, but the convo sounded a bit ambiguous. Definitely not a high spirited note, a bit apologetic even, but it still makes me think that the author is trying to "protect" a cheating path to be followed at any point, by not simply extending the sharing conversations to every possible scene that happens with other girls. But I still prefer she were open to "being there" by enjoying him talking about it (cuckquean). It reminds me of how cheating on Kat felt hollow in Deliverance, a bit while you played, but absolutely when you reach the happy ending and Andrea reminds you that you're both cheaters, with no other bad consequence implied. Just a stain in a blissful ever after.

Did you play the "swinging" scene? It's either a very clumsy take on swinging, or a slap in the face of those who don't want the full NTR experience. The MC is a wimp, he's uncomfortable with the neighbour's proposal and yet, can't avoid bringing it up with the wife. There's a dreadful tension during the entire episode. The wife is excited when you mention it to her, and makes it very clear that she wants to feel what it's like to be with a dominating guy, and that you can't give her that experience. She also makes it clear there's no chance you're turning back on going. The entire scene at their house is the guy taking control over the script, taking her to another room and ravishing her till she's brain dead, while his wife pity fucks the MC, makes excuses for her husband always taking what he wants and in the end the MC can't even make her cum. They say goodbye with more condescending warnings, knowing the impact the episode had on the MC and FMC, who go home in awkward silence and both avoid a conversation before going to sleep. End of episode. Has no place in anything but hard NTR.
This just all goes to this predetermination that a lot of devs seem to have, that the MC is always going to be "usurped" by some other guy, that the wife/gf is always going to somehow prefer the other guy(s), and that the MC is just going to turn into this sheepish guy that accepts whatever bones he is thrown. And if given any chance at all, will cheat (because apparently everyone does?)
Are there really so many players that want this experience? Not me, that's for sure.
 
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Are there really so many players that want this experience? Not me, that's for sure.
You just put a smile on my face, as I wonder the same :p For sure there are lots of people with different tastes, but for me, it boggles the mind that a majority of those who enjoy something that deviates from vanilla relationships and sex, would prefer stories where the MC is a weak, helpless cuck. I'd picture it the other way around, a majority would enjoy "wholesome sharing" or swinging, and a subset would like more hardcore and "dark" stuff.
 
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You just put a smile on my face, as I wonder the same :p For sure there are lots of people with different tastes, but for me, it boggles the mind that a majority of those who enjoy something that deviates from vanilla relationships and sex, would prefer stories where the MC is a weak, helpless cuck. I'd picture it the other way around, a majority would enjoy "wholesome sharing" or swinging, and a subset would like more hardcore and "dark" stuff.
I'm afraid it's the devs who enjoy the hardcore cuckold stuff, not the audience (obviously variants closer to vanilla should be more popular). I don't think indie devs would make scenes they don't personally enjoy. Now, why hardcore cucks are more likely to make games than 'wholesome sharing' fans? That's a good question. Prolly, when your fetish is more extreme, you are more motivated, lol?
 

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Is this in part 2? I reached only the moment when they did a little swinger party where Zoey loses virginity to the MC and the MC's gf is getting pounded by the black guy. This is why I said the story feels rushed on the "Zoey NTR route" (which apparently also includes "Zoey sharing" subroute). So after this scene there's another one with the neighbor?
I didn't play the Zoe update, when I did play, that scene wasn't written and you were railroaded into the hard NTR scene with the MC and Claire. Maybe I got into the NTR path, but others here confirmed that the scene plays out the way I described it, even if not everyone was as taken aback as I was. I was, as I usually do, trying to pick the boldest sharing options, hoping for the game to keep the same mature, consensual sharing tone that transpired from the first release of the remake. Apparently, it's the kind of game where taking risks drives you to bad consequences... I hate that, too. Not sure but the decision, as Claire, of whether or not to be aroused by the guy at the gym, is probably the path splitting one.
 

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I like to roleplay a loving hubby so if the wife doesn't enjoy it (and "I don't want to hear about it" defo belongs to "not enjoying it"), then I just don't want to do it. And here we are not given the choice to reply in this vein
I actually had 1 Cheater Wife point, that I didn't know where I got. So I loaded an old save and made sure I had 0 cheating, since I only want wholesome swinging.

The conversation after the final breakfast scene played exactly the same in both cases.

"just wanted to get on with the assumption that MC was going to cheat, and so was she, regardless of whatever had happened to that point. So, without a correction, she is now becoming a hotwife, and he either deals with it his own way (I guess there will be future choices) or it stops?"
I still don't get where is the bridge between point A "I want you to also have fun with other women and I want to be involved,but you can do it without me — I just don't want to "feel like I'm outside looking in", and point B "he is going to cheat and so will she"? Help me understand here.

So, without a correction, she is now becoming a hotwife, and he either deals with it his own way (I guess there will be future choices) or it stops?
I mean, she was already a hotwife? About half of the scenes, maybe more, is her having fun with other men, without her husband participating, and only later telling him about it. How does this conversation change anything? How does it deny that in the future they will have more foursomes or threesomes?
I really don't get it. The way I see it we have (at least) 2 possible ways to interpret the after breakfast words.
1) Yours. With paving the way for mutual cheating.
2) Mine. Where it means only literally what was being said.
She likes how free they are.
Her husband will continue to share her, which just like before will take several forms: he will either watch (scene with delivery boy, as an example), directly participate (Scene with Julie and Matt) or listen to her talk about her solo adventures and get aroused.
He can have fun with other women, with Evelyn or without her. But she either wants to be involved (whatever that may be) or not listen to stories of his solo adventures.

Where is the stuff that makes your way somehow plausible? I am not trying to be rude. Explain to me like I am 5 if needed.

To clarify, this is not a response about being frustrated with lack of symmetry, the cuckqean path (I think it's still possible, btw: when Evelyn is involved she can just watch), that some people have. I get that one. I would prefer it to be that way, though it's not a big deal for me.
Yeah, so anyway, this is just my prior gameplay, in these types of games, coming out as anxiety about "what's next". Not from what already happened.
The disappointment comes from the closing down of the "full cuckquean" experience that was possible up to that point. No longer the case really. Sure, they can still "play" with her involved, and with her "adventures", but not his. (remembering that he hasn't actually had any yet, and has really only been "tempted" or in one case, got a "brush" from the conspiring best friend (another trope))
So, no future scenarios where he "plays" and then tells her, perhaps leading to her becoming actually involved with whoever too, because she got excited by it. She could have easily said " I get that we are open now, and I want you to have some fun too, and that excites me too". No scenario where the boss and the conspiring best friend (same one) become full-circle into possible swing partners, not just possible cheaters.
And to answer your question, I am fine with her continuing to become involved with the adventures she is currently doing with him, but why is she not wanting to be involved with his solo stuff, but expecting him to be fine with hers? Smacks of her condoning secrecy, which inevitably leads to doubt (she is already hinting at that), and doubt will lead her to become less open, and eventually it will become cheating. (That is just the way these things always go) Its all "first sign" stuff. And that one sign is not good. And it is enough.

And then, the current cliff-hanger, is the bloke at the door, obviously wanting to stay...yeah, yeah, same old script....cue moments alone...
I would almost have $5 that its the massage guy from the beach, and that he's Mr Donkey Dick....
 
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why is she not wanting to be involved with his solo stuff, but expecting him to be fine with hers
Is she "expecting" that? Or was it husband's thing from the very beginning? I don't recall such an ultimatum. He likes that, he wanted her to do that, no? She doesn't have to do the same if that's not her thing. So from a wife's point of view, I think that's completely fine.
Like, just because husband enjoys cooking lavish dinners for his wife and does that on his own accord, doesn't mean that she has to do the same for him if she doesn't enjoy it. Even if she loves his cooking. Not the best analogy, but still...
But I do get your concern about why would the dev introduce this asymmetry, without making it optional.
 
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I didn't play the Zoe update, when I did play, that scene wasn't written and you were railroaded into the hard NTR scene with the MC and Claire. Maybe I got into the NTR path, but others here confirmed that the scene plays out the way I described it, even if not everyone was as taken aback as I was. I was, as I usually do, trying to pick the boldest sharing options, hoping for the game to keep the same mature, consensual sharing tone that transpired from the first release of the remake. Apparently, it's the kind of game where taking risks drives you to bad consequences... I hate that, too. Not sure but the decision, as Claire, of whether or not to be aroused by the guy at the gym, is probably the path splitting one.
I skimmed quickly without reading and yeah the scene is still there, tho now there are 2 other scenes where the gf is fucked by other guys (one by the black guy I mentioned before). There are two more cuckqueen scenes too. The scene you mentioned now happens after all those scenes, and yeah the scene gives off heavy NTR vibes. I agree it's weird that you aren't given the choice to refuse, since they always say to each other that it should be something they both enjoy and the MC did have bad feelings about the guy.
 

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I'm afraid it's the devs who enjoy the hardcore cuckold stuff, not the audience (obviously variants closer to vanilla should be more popular). I don't think indie devs would make scenes they don't personally enjoy. Now, why hardcore cucks are more likely to make games than 'wholesome sharing' fans? That's a good question. Prolly, when your fetish is more extreme, you are more motivated, lol?
You know, I make AI generated stuff on Civitai and most of my pics are wholesome group sex with 1 girl and 2 or more men, where everyone is happy, having a good time, smiling (at least I try to make look that way). I've been doing this for 9 months at this point with more than 5k pics posted. And almost every day I search the feed by "mmf threesome" and "gangbang" tags, to give some likes to other users, maybe get some inspiration. And let me tell you: people like me are a tiny minority. Most of those pics involve the girl being the typical "dumb slut", an object, having forced sex, clearly not enjoying it, angry, getting blacked, tied, chained, etc. And most commonly — staring right into the "camera", even though there is no one there in the frame. As if there's an actual camera there and the girl is doing porn. Or her cuck boyfriend is there, watching her getting railed but not participating himself.
There is way more pics out there of the girl getting humiliated and used, or just cheating/cucking, than wholesome sharing.
So from my experience there, it's definitely the audience wanting hardcore stuff.
 
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Is she "expecting" that? Or was it husband's thing from the very beginning? I don't recall such an ultimatum. He likes that, he wanted her to do that, no? She doesn't have to do the same if that's not her thing. So from a wife's point of view, I think that's completely fine.
Like, just because husband enjoys cooking lavish dinners for his wife and does that on his own accord, doesn't mean that she has to do the same for him if she doesn't enjoy it. Even if she loves his cooking. Not the best analogy, but still...
But I do get your concern about why would the dev introduce this asymmetry, without making it optional.
"Expecting"? Yes, she is, that is what she is saying. She says she knows they have an "open" thing. Which is not what they have, to this point, when he has been faithful. She expects that it is ok for her to do whatever she enjoys, and that he condones it. It has gone further than him being there when it happens, which is what it started as. I don't believe he ever said "Do whatever you like, I won't object" It was always an "agreed" thing with him nodding his ok before anything happened. Now, it's just her doing it, whenever she decides, and he finds out later, with no choice about what happened. Sure, she tells him, but is that what he is really looking for? I don't think that's they way it started at all. Its been gradual, but this is where its going. Her doing stuff without him, much more each time, more hidden each time.

And yeah, the dev has introduced assymetry, bigtime......and we all have read this scenario many times, too many times.
Unless there is some categorical change soon, or this gets "back on track", there will almost certainly be cheating, and it will come to play such a big part, that the joy will go out for me.
 
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You know, I make AI generated stuff on Civitai and most of my pics are wholesome group sex with 1 girl and 2 or more men, where everyone is happy, having a good time, smiling (at least I try to make look that way). I've been doing this for 9 months at this point with more than 5k pics posted. And almost every day I search the feed by "mmf threesome" and "gangbang" tags, to give some likes to other users, maybe get some inspiration. And let me tell you: people like me are a tiny minority. Most of those pics involve the girl being the typical "dumb slut", an object, having forced sex, clearly not enjoying it, angry, getting blacked, tied, chained, etc. And most commonly — staring right into the "camera", even though there is no one there in the frame. As if there's an actual camera there and the girl is doing porn. Or her cuck boyfriend is there, watching her getting railed but not participating himself.
There is way more pics out there of the girl getting humiliated and used, or just cheating/cucking, than wholesome sharing.
So from my experience there, it's definitely the audience wanting hardcore stuff.
I checked it. There are a lot of interracial pictures for sure. I think > 50%. As for faces - mostly typical ahegao for anime and for real porn, well, you said it right - they are mostly watching into the camera. Btw when I just searched for "sex" I found quite a few several-men-on-one-woman pictures without interracial sex, interesting. I'd say it's just that most creators don't have a taste, simple as. And yeah it's again about creators, not the audience, isn't it?

P.S. I liked your pictures btw, you have a good taste.

P.P.S. If you sort by "most reactions" then most faces are actually happy, with expression of enjoyment
 
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I have actually been really disappointed in the NTS route for Because I love Her since after that big update with Damien. The phone is awkward, and the neighbour stuff is really mid imo.

I don't regret buying it, but I just don't like it anymore, and that sucks big time because at one point I loved it so much.
 

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I have actually been really disappointed in the NTS route for Because I love Her since after that big update with Damien. The phone is awkward, and the neighbour stuff is really mid imo.

I don't regret buying it, but I just don't like it anymore, and that sucks big time because at one point I loved it so much.
I haven't played the last update yet after I heard bad stuff about it im waiting for the Love Route to play again. I actually like the Love route best tbh. I didn't even like the swinging scene ( last I played) for my personal taste in sharing scenes. I mean yeah the stuff with Zoey was good but problem is im not interested in Zoey on a sharing path so I don't care about any sex she has.
 

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I haven't played the last update yet after I heard bad stuff about it im waiting for the Love Route to play again. I actually like the Love route best tbh. I didn't even like the swinging scene ( last I played) for my personal taste in sharing scenes. I mean yeah the stuff with Zoey was good but problem is im not interested in Zoey on a sharing path so I don't care about any sex she has.
I don't know if you play The Adored Marriage, but that was also another update I didn't enjoy.
If The East Block update sucks again I'll cry lol.
 

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I don't know if you play The Adored Marriage, but that was also another update I didn't enjoy.
If The East Block update sucks again I'll cry lol.
I haven't started that one yet only skimmed through each update until I feel like playing it. Yeah from what I saw without much context it felt like a meh update
 
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I don't believe he ever said "Do whatever you like, I won't object" It was always an "agreed" thing with him nodding his ok before anything happened.
Had to go replay through some sections from the beginning to refresh my memory. I wouldn't say it was exactly him nodding his ok before it happened. In their very first experience at the club she opens her legs and shows her panties to Ryan without asking her husband, and then decides to go dancing with Ryan and again, husband just doesn't interfere (though she does hint at her intentions beforehand). It's more like she takes a step on her own and her husband doesn't object, though he can, since he's there. Still, I get what you're saying.

What I do agree with, is that there has been a shift that I didn't notice before. And it actually wasn't gradual. It all started when she was bored alone at home and decided to go to the club on her own, to taste some independence. That's where it shifted to husband not being present and just being informed post factum. Which is made even more ironic, considering that at some point she told him "I want to do it... so long as it's with you".
And I for sure enjoy it way more when sharing is done together, with as much involvement from the husband/bf.

I guess we'll wait and see.
 

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I don't know if you play The Adored Marriage, but that was also another update I didn't enjoy.
If The East Block update sucks again I'll cry lol.
Saw you posted in From Wife to Wench, how do you feel about that one? I'm not particularly excited about the humiliation in her teasing but find it bearable in the path where the MC keeps his self respect :p Which may be tricky to get into, if your instinct is to pick "loving" choices thinking they'll land you in a more romantic path. Author's mischief, you have to boss her a bit, but not too much. Overall it's a fun game.
 

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Saw you posted in From Wife to Wench, how do you feel about that one? I'm not particularly excited about the humiliation in her teasing but find it bearable in the path where the MC keeps his self respect :p Which may be tricky to get into, if your instinct is to pick "loving" choices thinking they'll land you in a more romantic path. Author's mischief, you have to boss her a bit, but not too much. Overall it's a fun game.
I like it so far. It feels sort of like a Japanese NTS game to me.
 
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