Recommending Western Sharing Games List

[CursedByAll]

Just curious - what Japanese NTS game that you played that features humiliation?

None...I don't play them at all. The storylines, graphics and reviews, thread comments etc just rub me up the wrong way before I even give them a chance, to be completely honest. They do not appeal to me visually or storywise. All the "little boy" and Ugly Old Bastard" characters...
You are welcome to try to change my mind on that, but I am yet to see even one that I have wanted to try, even for 10 minutes....and I look at any that might even just slightly interest me, only to find something is "off".......call me biased if you will, but I just have never found one appealing enough to make the effort. You wanna educate me? Show me one that has decent 3d graphics and a decent storyline that you think fits the "sharing" tag...
The closest I have come so far to a JAV is Pale Carnations, but that ain't really a sharing game is it now?

And yes mate, I am aware of the "just curious" NLP ploy...

 

[SinisterPortal]

None...I don't play them at all. The storylines, graphics and reviews, thread comments etc just rub me up the wrong way before I even give them a chance, to be completely honest. They do not appeal to me visually or storywise. All the "little boy" and Ugly Old Bastard" characters...
You are welcome to try to change my mind on that, but I am yet to see even one that I have wanted to try, even for 10 minutes....and I look at any that might even just slightly interest me, only to find something is "off".......call me biased if you will, but I just have never found one appealing enough to make the effort. You wanna educate me? Show me one that has decent 3d graphics and a decent storyline that you think fits the "sharing" tag...
The closest I have come so far to a JAV is Pale Carnations, but that ain't really a sharing game is it now?

And yes mate, I am aware of the "just curious" NLP ploy...

Heh I'm definitely not going to sell you Jap games in this thread I was curious in this discussion about differences between western and japanese sharing/NTS games. But you admitted that you never actually played Japanese NTS games so it's not going to be fruitful. You brought up Ugly Bastards - they belong to NTR, I never saw them in NTS. So obviously you have a very vague image of the matter.

But I agree with you that western "stag" games have more positive attitude to sharing than most of Japanese NTS. In Japanese NTS there's often the idea that "if you go too far with NTS it becomes NTR". There's also generally the moral that sharing is not healthy relationship and the person should rather fight these urges than indulge in them. In western games, generally I don't see any morals there Well, in cuckold games the only morals I can see is "women are sluts"

And yes mate, I am aware of the "just curious" NLP ploy...

bro... wtf are you a conspiracy theorist or something? I swear I won't be making you play Japanese games

 

[CursedByAll]

bro... wtf are you a conspiracy theorist or something? I swear I won't be making you play Japanese games

No, no conspiracies, lol....NLP = Neuro Linguistic Programming - a language study used in interrogation and sales scripts, a subset of language studies used to elicit certain responses, also studied by police foces worldwide. A legitimate but powerful use of words in order to obtain a desired response. Not a conspiracy. Used everyday, often with subjects completely unaware they are being manipulated. (porn games are sometimes an example of this too, when writers have studied it enough, and I have seen it used by some very educated devs in their scripts. You also seem educated from your use of the standard english language)

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I think (just my personal take) the difference or why you guys aren't finding a middle ground is that western versions encompass BOTH stag & vixen AND cuckold setups of a range, whereas nts is kinda in the middle. If I had to graph them where the axis is some kind of 'dominance' or 'autonomy', it'd look like this:



IMO, you're both right, but talking about different areas. SinisterPortal is talking about the extreme lefthand region of the cuckold spectrum, which I'd agree with, you don't see things like "bbc fucks wife while cuckold sits in a chastity cage then licks her soiled pussy" in japanese stories.

When CursedByAll is talking about the western positive outlook on sharing, he's talking about the right hand of this chart. (or even the left side, but with the understanding it's used solely as a bedroom fetish, not some backdrop for one's entire life like he's a loser in the bedroom).

Obviously I'm biased for western games having made this thread and all - while I recognize some western stories do go into hard cuckold, others stick firmly on the right. With japanese nts narratives, while the reader can be confident it won't go into extreme submissive cuck territory, it also almost NEVER goes into "cool guy mc" territory. Usually I see him being mopey, introverted, introspective, and I can't relate to that.

If there's a concept I'd accuse of being totally foreign to japanese stories, it's levity and a general "joie de vivre". Everything's so heavy-handed and neurotic.

 

[CursedByAll]

In Japanese NTS there's often the idea that "if you go too far with NTS it becomes NTR". There's also generally the moral that sharing is not healthy relationship and the person should rather fight these urges than indulge in them. In western games, generally I don't see any morals there

Yep, and that is exactly the representation of my "vague image"
Defined by the one word you used a few times - morals.....is exactly where the two "cultures" vary widely, ie whose "morals" do we choose?
I am of the "no morals" tribe, if you wish to define my culture as being such, though I would argue that it is just a difference, not a lack.
And which one is the "screwy" one? Both really, haha

 

[CursedByAll]

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Definitely the right-hand side for me....any of that left-hand shit goes to the bin..immediately...I am even really dodgy about that whole green bit, that shit is scary simply because nobody seems to know what the fuck it actually is...lol

 

[Enlight432]

The only trope I haven't encountered in either the West or East is that last one, "Netoraresaserare"—it likely belongs to a lost civilization xD

• The protagonist (P) is ordered by other people (O), to make the antagonist (A), watch their (A's) partner be taken. Initially P feels disgusted by the kind of role they are put in, but in the end seeing A get aroused gets P aroused too

It’s a bizarre scenario—I’m not sure how I’d feel playing it

 

[SinisterPortal]

I think (just my personal take) the difference or why you guys aren't finding a middle ground is that western versions encompass BOTH stag & vixen AND cuckold setups of a range, whereas nts is kinda in the middle. If I had to graph them where the axis is some kind of 'dominance' or 'autonomy', it'd look like this:

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IMO, you're both right, but talking about different areas. SinisterPortal is talking about the extreme lefthand region of the cuckold spectrum, which I'd agree with, you don't see things like "bbc fucks wife while cuckold sits in a chastity cage then licks her soiled pussy" in japanese stories.

When CursedByAll is talking about the western positive outlook on sharing, he's talking about the right hand of this chart. (or even the left side, but with the understanding it's used solely as a bedroom fetish, not some backdrop for one's entire life like he's a loser in the bedroom).

Obviously I'm biased for western games having made this thread and all - while I recognize some western stories do go into hard cuckold, others stick firmly on the right. With japanese nts narratives, while the reader can be confident it won't go into extreme submissive cuck territory, it also almost NEVER goes into "cool guy mc" territory. Usually I see him being mopey, introverted, introspective, and I can't relate to that.

If there's a concept I'd accuse of being totally foreign to japanese stories, it's levity and a general "joie de vivre". Everything's so heavy-handed and neurotic.

I agree with that, it's basically what I was saying. People were focusing on the 'sharing' western games and calling Japanese games more extreme, but western cuckold games are much much more extreme. And humiliation, in Japanese games you can find it in NTR, but in NTS - I don't remember any. In NTS there's often that 'fear of NTR' tho. Like, "what if my wife breaks the rules that we set" or "what if she doesn't tell me the whole truth", etc. What differentiates NTS and NTR is that in NTS these fears are empty, they are just the MC's paranoia.

The stag/vixen western games are fun but seemingly there're fewer stag games than cuckold (sadly). Thankfully, we do get more stag games recently, especially with the AI wave.

About the nerdy passive MCs in Japanese games - true, this is what puts me off the most. But wives are usually better than in western games, in NTS they usually don't get corrupted and become total sluts, unless you choose a bad route.


What I often lack in western games is a non-sex related plot. Japanese games tend to have better writting in that regard - we learn about stuff that the MC does at work, his ambitions. His deadlines, difficulties, financial problems etc. Also about his and her families, their relatives. Generally the feeling of married life is better conveyed than in western games, where usually all characters are introduced only to be later interacted with sexually (like, potential bulls, partners to fuck, "agents of corruption" etc). It creates this unrealistic, "porn" vibe even if the dev tries to make a deeper story.

Take Whispers of Desire for example - nobody gives a fuck what the MC does at work. We know that he is some kind of a trader or financial analyst, but that's about it - there's no plot. We are only shown interactions related to sex and this is apparently the only thing that is important to all characters. E.g. his boss started noticing him only after he decided to fuck his wife. He basically doesn't give a damn what he does or how. We don't know about their plans as a family, about their relatives, do they want children or not, etc. The only thing that matters to them is going into the lifestyle.

 

[blkcrow20]

The only trope I haven't encountered in either the West or East is that last one, "Netoraresaserare"—it likely belongs to a lost civilization xD

• The protagonist (P) is ordered by other people (O), to make the antagonist (A), watch their (A's) partner be taken. Initially P feels disgusted by the kind of role they are put in, but in the end seeing A get aroused gets P aroused too

It’s a bizarre scenario—I’m not sure how I’d feel playing it

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That graphic is so off. lol