Wow it's like you're trying really hard to be dense and picking a stupid fight to boot... okay then, whatever, I don't care... it's up to the dev anyways.
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How am I being dense? You picked your own definition and then decided to generlize it even though most people don't feel that way and don't care. You are wrong, the tags are pretty typical and a lot of VN tag games have optional minigames. There is nothing unusual here that needs to jutify changing the tags.
Just finished the most recent version, and I have to say it's really a wonderful game. There are a significant amount of positives, but they don't really need a change, so I think touching on a couple of negatives for constructive critism would be useful.
It feels wild to me that your until recently betrothed ends up on your ship, with a view to explain everything or get back on her good side, and instead you put her in the brig and forget about her completely. It's one thing to not return to a plot point for a while, but it's a whole different kettle of sea-peoples for that plot point to take the form of a spurned lover that you've left locked in the hold for days without speaking to her. Either that encounter should happen later when there's less pressing things to do, or there needs to be more interraction opportunities - maybe a minigame each visit that helps break down barriers.
Speaking of speaking to people, it's really jarring the amount of times there will be an event that affects how the crew feel about you or that you can only pick one person for a particular thing, and for some it's a make or break for that romance, and for others there's no mechanical change at all, or that change happens really far into the game so you can't even go back and try a different path. Again, not specifically a bad mechanic, just needs tweaking to maybe identify where those decisions can REALLY make a difference and where they maybe arent that important.
Overall, Love the base of the game, love the journey, looking forward to future iterations
It feels wild to me that your until recently betrothed ends up on your ship, with a view to explain everything or get back on her good side, and instead you put her in the brig and forget about her completely. It's one thing to not return to a plot point for a while, but it's a whole different kettle of sea-peoples for that plot point to take the form of a spurned lover that you've left locked in the hold for days without speaking to her. Either that encounter should happen later when there's less pressing things to do, or there needs to be more interraction opportunities - maybe a minigame each visit that helps break down barriers.
Speaking of speaking to people, it's really jarring the amount of times there will be an event that affects how the crew feel about you or that you can only pick one person for a particular thing, and for some it's a make or break for that romance, and for others there's no mechanical change at all, or that change happens really far into the game so you can't even go back and try a different path. Again, not specifically a bad mechanic, just needs tweaking to maybe identify where those decisions can REALLY make a difference and where they maybe arent that important.
Overall, Love the base of the game, love the journey, looking forward to future iterations
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Thanks for the kind words!
As for Dolores - here's the thing - the original plan was that she would be unconscious in the hold, then Fab would go underwater and come back. That's where the action would start with her. The thing is that the underwater part at that moment was planned for literally 1 hour of the game, but it grew to something bigger. So we will look at the feedback and either leave everything as it is and after returning to the ship there will be a root for her, or in one of the patches we will change the events and first add actions with her, and then the underwater part.
But about the mechanics - can you elaborate on what exactly is wrong? On the example will be clearer
I am unable to find Philip early on to get his vote. i've done all other subtasks of the quest, but philip is nowhere to be found. any tips?
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He's in the armory. On the topmost deck on the starboard side of the ship, near the bow.
just finished the game, what i would like added is the gallery showing hints on how to unlock the images for the sake of completion
Yeah, easy enough.
It is 100% your decision how to implement the +1/-1 relationship mechanics based on choices regarding giving a clue to whom it might affect positively or negatively, I won't presume to tell a developer that. But to elaborate as asked, a specific example would be like chapter 4 - who you give your hat to before heading underwater. If this has a mechanical effect, theres a heck of a lot of gameplay between your choice and (eventually) coming back on deck, so if it changes anything your average player
Does that longwinded example/explanation help?
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Yes, thank you, that makes more sense! But the solution - are you suggesting to warn the player that some of the choices are critical or to lower the threshold for scenes, so that even someone who misses check can see the scene?
If you lower the threshold, it negates the reason for having the mechanic in the first place.
While you could make it clear that some choices are critical (i.e. "You will miss 1/2/3 scenes if you pick this option" because there aren't any other points they can make them back before the scene), you're likely to get people playing not how they want to envision the character, but for the most efficent play.
I think there are two better choices that will require work, but will be more rewarding for the player:
1) Expand the mechanic to have pretty much every decision or action affect the crew score so they're constantly in a state of flux. While you might miss a scene or two if you've really followed the wrong path, you can't brick yourself from the get go. This also means a scene might be viewable after a few more choices are made but before you've moved on from the area (Anna on the beach, for example, means you've got a chance to gain a point or two before that opportunity disappears). Since its ship wide, High approval from the men on board means they might help out Fabian with endeavours of love, or maybe even other bonuses like telling him how to get a discount on items from the shop keeper or showing a dirty picture they found. I had Ethan on -2 for nearly the entire game, and as far as I can tell, nothing changed. Maybe that means he doesn't help you in the caves, but if he likes you he joins in to give you a bit more sanity or something (just spitballing ideas)
2) Mention at the start of the game something like "While your choices will affect how the people on board will interact with you, play the game however you want. Once you finish the story, you can go back and see what you missed" and create a cheat/debug mode that drops you at certain choices/just before scenes where you can choose to raise or lower your stats to see or avoid a scene. Slightly seperate from an unlocked gallery, this would allow you to play on from that point with the changes in place in case there's new dialogue, or scene plays out an entirely different way (I missed Olivia's visit because I chose Lauren's visit, and I only know that thanks to the walkthrough). I tried to make a few saves at those kinds of points, but I gave up after a while as I realised how far back I'd have to go to to set things in motion and stopped bothering.
Anyways, hope that was more helpful. The way the system is now doesn't ruin the game - if none of these options feels easy enough to implement, I don't think anyone will lose their mind. BUT if you do improve the system, or let people choose whatever choices make them happy and the get the cookies at the end of the adventure, it can only make people go "WOW, this is next level!"
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Good evening. I am hopelessly at a loss to find how the kitchen works. I have tried three dozen times to put the inedible things into the box and I keep failing... Can anybody be so kind as to give me a list of all the edibles ? Whether I keep the breadboard with the knife or not, I fail miserably ! Thank you for any help.
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If suddenly there are voids in the drawer when moving things (some things will not appear), then this is a bug, but we fixed it several versions earlier.
There are some minigames that aren't skipped properly. Namely the fight QTEs and the obsidian mining.
Also, the game is pretty great (other than a few typos and mistranslations - can't recall any specific ones but sometimes there are a few terms that are still just Russian). But there's one issue I have: The art keeps changing breast sizes. Especially with Lauren and Olivia, whose bust sizes get way bigger in some of the scenes but not others. Lauren's sister also has a different figure in person... There aren't enough petite ladies so far, so can we at least have some of the ones who look that way in the normal art stay flat/small more consistently? Although I'd like more characters who are actually flat-chested.
Ka is best girl, though. I want to take her home.
Also, the game is pretty great (other than a few typos and mistranslations - can't recall any specific ones but sometimes there are a few terms that are still just Russian). But there's one issue I have: The art keeps changing breast sizes. Especially with Lauren and Olivia, whose bust sizes get way bigger in some of the scenes but not others. Lauren's sister also has a different figure in person... There aren't enough petite ladies so far, so can we at least have some of the ones who look that way in the normal art stay flat/small more consistently? Although I'd like more characters who are actually flat-chested.
Ka is best girl, though. I want to take her home.
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Hi! QTEs and the obsidian mining - is not a mini games, it's just a little bit of interaction.
As for typos or questionable phrases, we correct something every patch and ask players to point out what they find incomprehensible or strange.
About breasts, yes, the fact is that the images are drawn by different artists and there may be inconsistencies. Small breasts are really few. We'll fix it as soon as possible.
We are very glad that you liked Ka! She will have a personal ending, by the way.
Im stuck hard on this game. In the quest "grasping at straws" in on the arm yourself part and i clicked all 5 clickable items multiple times and found nothing, can't go the bed and cant leave my cabin. Where is the weapon?
I have read the walkthrough and there is no fricking closet. only the bookshelf, the globe, the table, the chest and the bed.
I have read the walkthrough and there is no fricking closet. only the bookshelf, the globe, the table, the chest and the bed.
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If you clicked on all the clickable items, then you should have found the knife in the cupboard at the bottom under the books.
I only get a message saying "Some dusty cabinet with a bunch of thrash in it". I will try to start a new game and only click on the cabinet and see what happens.
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Are you sure you don't have a knife in your inventory? It's just that no one has written before that there might be bugs here