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At this rate, I'll be as old as Serena's disguise when her content will be completed.
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That must be what Magicnuts devious plan has been all along. Spend enough time developing that the players are finally old enough to appreciate true Celestina!
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You know in reality it will never be from 100-0. But if it would, devs would be much more careful not to get into that state. Realistically with more prudent patrons you would be looking at mounting percentage drops in patron numbers, which would make them feel fire under their asses and actually start doing work.
I see people like you guys in each thread of every milked game ever. It really is getting funny how easily fooled you all are. Well numbers dont lie, it works and from your replies I can see why it works. Same goes for microtransactions in games, you vote with your wallet and boy is the average consumer beyond stupid.
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Aah, I see. So your whole position & argument is based on the assumption that they're not doing anything for the money.
I literally just showed you that it's gone up by 1.4% in roughly 1.5 weeks.
They are clearly working & progress is moving.
If their patrons are happy with that & you are not, I'm afraid that's tough luck.
You'll just have to learn how to deal with it.
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I personally am new to the adult gaming space. One of the first games I funded on patreon was What a legend. After 6 months of no update, I stopped funding it, but I may jump on again to support the project if they start putting out more content. For me personally, a year is too long for me to fund a project without any real changes. I respect anyone who wants to keep supporting it though. The content we already have is pretty high quality IMO.
There is no point in arguing that updates take too much time. If you look carefully, you realize there are like three people who constantly defend developers. I noticed that updates take too much time several months ago, and the people who defended devs are the same who defend them now. They are either super fans or somehow connected to the team - either way, they will defend the developers no matter how absurdly long the development time becomes. The simple fact is that this update already took more than a year, and it is not close to completion. Who cares how much the developers make after paying taxes, what excuses they give you - the update time is not ok. This comment section is becoming toxic wasteland - people come and complain about long wait, and three white knights defend the honor of devs and will defend them if updates take another two years to complete. My prediction - the update will come out this year and abandoned afterwards, while people slowly realize that a year and a half of waiting for two hours of content was not worth it. Such a shame as well, the art is gorgeous and the idea is nice, but I just can't see how such an ambitious project with devs refusing to hire more people - whether because of greed or artistic vision - can be complete.
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I think the same,i just dont see this project moving forward when the devs themselves are doing anything they can to stop this game to get bigger.
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As one of those three same people, I'd say it's not whiteknighting, it's trying to debunk stupid 'reasonings' from people who only know how to insult and don't give a fuck about facts or available info, so that silent, random readers can at least have a more accurate picture of what's going on and then form their opinions. Otherwise, the thread would become a total clusterfuck, a playground for brainless haters who only seek their dopamine kick from the easy reactions they collect for dog-piling devs with no other argument than 'it's been too long and they earn a lot, so it's a scam because I say so', and this wouldn't help anybody.
I don't think someone has ever said everything is fine when even devs are claiming this is an unacceptably long cycle, but so far the reasons given for the delay check out, no matter what doomsayers say. And that's what I'll keep reminding everytime I feel like it until proven otherwise, as I have the same right than others to express my opinions.
My prediction: the 0.7 update will come out this quarter and we'll then see 0.8 coming out in 7-9 months after that. Wanna bet?
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That's only in the long term. If they had half their supporters cancel and leave messages like "I am not coming back until you update" then things would change rapidly. Also, getting a job after you have been out of the workforce for years isn't so easy, especially for those in competitive fields like graphic design. I don't know what the personal circumstances of the artists are but unless they have other more in demand skills it wouldn't be as easy as doing the patreon bit.Did you not read, or understand, the context?
If their patrons withdrew support, they wouldn't have "easy patreon money".
They wouldn't have any money, hence they would need to get jobs to provide for their family which, in turn, would mean less time available for development.
So the post that he replied to, suggesting that if everyone withdrew their support, then the devs would suddenly produce an update, he's pointing out that it doesn't necessarily work out that way.
In fact, it can quite feasibly have the opposite effect.
Also, lets be honest for a minute, if your employer didn't put pressure on you to work your full hours (or in my case a lot more), would you? After several months where the money keeps coming in despite less and less work being done you would settle in to a much more relaxed routine where work would not be a priority. That kind of thing is super common on Patreon due to how the system is set up.
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On what basis would "things change rapidly"? They can't magically produce this update any quicker.
Patrons dropping out doesn't mean there are more hours in the day.
They had a new child and the male dev was hospitalised twice, for operations. That's 3 decent sized chunks of time which were simply not available to them - it's also the biggest update they've done yet, hence the update taking longer & patrons accepting that as justification.
A bunch of random pirates not accepting it is utterly irrelevant to their business.
I don't dispute that, but we're not discussing Patreon's system, or the shitty behaviour of some other devs.
What I dispute is that assumption\generalisation being arbitrarily applied to this dev, when all evidence points to the contrary.
It's gone up 1.5% in the last 1.5 weeks. There is only 7.1% remaining. At current rate, the maths is pretty simple.
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No. Rewarding unproductivity only encourages the person or team to remain unproductive. This is simply logical, if you make a lot of money without needing to show productivity, you don't need to worry about being productive. It is precisely this type of behavior from fans that destroys a project.Did you not read, or understand, the context?
If their patrons withdrew support, they wouldn't have "easy patreon money".
They wouldn't have any money, hence they would need to get jobs to provide for their family which, in turn, would mean less time available for development.
So the post that he replied to, suggesting that if everyone withdrew their support, then the devs would suddenly produce an update, he's pointing out that it doesn't necessarily work out that way.
In fact, it can quite feasibly have the opposite effect.
As much as people like a game and everything, you need to remain at least rational and realize when something is clearly wrong. Give money to someone not to work, and they will never work.
This is the old drama that repeats itself again and again, the infamous development nightmare.
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Side point - are there any projects when the next update after the long wait is significantly quicker? I am trying to remember any games where devs managed to overcome the slow down, but so far it looks like if something like this happens, the development is in deep waters for good.
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Now you're just doing the same as the previous dude & judging these devs on other dev's behaviour.
That's fundamentally flawed.
It doesn't matter if it's happened elsewhere, it only matters if it's happening here & the evidence shows that it's not
For Christ's sake, what a toxic thread. I just gave my 2 cents, I don't usually talk about these things because it's pretty pointless, and again, I also had expectations for this game. Do whatever you want, guys.
considering there is a humongous pattern with NSFW games in general, it is a reasonable judgment. Sorry but people been fucked over a lot over the last what... 10 years? By various devs so they have the right complain. I used to support legitimately various projects, but now i'm just part of the Black Pearl's crew... proudly so as i have saved probably 2k+ on failed projects