Ren'Py Abandoned What a Legend! [v0.6.04] [MagicNuts]

[moskyx]

That is literally what he said. And you are posting scenes. He was talking about backgrounds and character sprites that were done literally ages ago. And all devs need to do is make more scenes which you post, make some new backgrounds maybe and change some sprites if needed. So how is he wrong? You just can't justify 2 years of development for this amount of work, especially when we had the same content updates made faster.

But it's not the same content as previous updates. According to dev's word (the only source we can get until the update is out) this quest amounts as many as 1/3 of the total content released so far, in terms of wordcount. Even if he ends up trimming those dialogue lines to make it shorter than it currently is, the art task count is still way larger than any other update, and being an update focused on Gomira it means that new backgrounds and sprites need to be created from scratch, since we'll visit some new parts of the map and she has never been displayed as a sprite (her only scene so far was a cutscene made of different original drawings, while Rose or Holly or Myrtle had their sprites ready for the very first update). So in this particular case, there was exactly 0 premade assets to start working with.

So we are talking they need to made about a third of what they did in about 3.5 years (the time passed between they started working on the project - a bit more than a year before the first release in May 2020 - and the 0.6 update in July 2022), then take into account they had a baby and a serious surgery which would have meant 6 months of paid leaves for both devs and there you have it: we are basically on time according to their track record.

 

[reees754]

Like I've been saying, the real culprit here is bloat. Its not just shit luck on the devs part. Its not just the time consuming nature of 2d art and animation. Nope, its just bloat. The longer time drags on, the more they feel the pressure to deliver and the more they feel that pressure, the more they add and the more they add the longer it takes. Its a constant need to hit a home run, when really at this point they should just hit a nice high quality bunt and call it a day. Just a really good short, but sweet update featuring a hot orc chick. Thats all this update ever needed to be. Instead, we're getting like porn Lawrence of Arabia or some shit. All love to the devs though, they're genuinely good people, just slow, meticulous, and their storytelling lacks brevity.

Nope, my friend. Not bloat. You´re overthinking and reading too much into it that isn´t there.

I think the answer is in reality very simple and most of us know exactly what it is.

And i think you too

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

Nope, my friend. Not bloat. You´re overthinking and reading too much into it that isn´t there.

I think the answer is in reality very simple and most of us know exactly what it is.

And i think you too

They're not milking if that is what you are suggesting. They stand to make far more money actually releasing the game than they do milking its development. They're actually probably losing money on it at this point. One thing I learned from my years as a patron is that these two are perfectionists, who revel in the creative process to a fault. Also, side note, no need to be vague. If you've got something to say just come out and say it.

 

[reees754]

They're not milking if that is what you are suggesting. They stand to make far more money actually releasing the game than they do milking its development. They're actually probably losing money on it at this point. One thing I learned from my years as a patron is that these two are perfectionists, who revel in the creative process to a fault. Also, side note, no need to be vague. If you've got something to say just come out and say it.

Hehehe! Ok. Cool Story Bro.

 

[DemiMaximoff]

Are you paying attention at all? I said that a lot of these drawings aren't sprites that are pre drawn. Look at the drawing I just posted. Look at the shadows and the brush strokes. That isn't a sprite superimposed on a premade background it is a drawing with everything done in one photo. A lot of the images in What A Legend are like this.

What this dude said and people like him are that all this shit was done years ago and it is easy to make an update in two years. What I'm saying is a lot of this shit isn't premade sprites it is literal drawings with backgrounds and foregrounds unique to each photo.

Those aren't 'sprites' nor are they even close.

What about this one?

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=13

You think the character in this photo is a sprite being moved around?

No it's not. The entire thing was drawn to one perspective. The colors are even paired.

What about this one:

https://f95zone.to/threads/what-a-legend-v0-6-02-magicnuts.51349/#lg=post-3408266&slide=31

Does that look like a sprite to you?

Okay, I went back and read your original message and I have to give you credit where it is due. The original dude was saying that the sex scenes were made up of pre-made sprites and backgrounds. Not just the rest of the game, the sex scenes. That's not true. They are, in fact, made up of completely unique drawings that take immense effort and talent to render at that quality.

But you're still not quite there. Every frame of animation is not a unique drawing in those scenes. For the scenes that are animated, they use live2d or similar puppet animation tech. That's not nearly as time-intensive as, like the example you used, creating anime frame by frame. It's basically the same tech that makes vtubers move around in real time.

So, yeah. We have reference for how much content the devs can make in a given amount of time - the past updates. So the content per time taken has to hold up. And it cannot be measured by lines of words. Even monkeys can churn out 10 coherent essays in an hour now with AI.

 

[Oranghunter]

Damn! its been 2 years already? last update i said to myself let them cook but by now the soup has prob evaporated and the pot rusted.

Another game bites the dust.

 

[Big Green]

But it's not the same content as previous updates. According to dev's word (the only source we can get until the update is out) this quest amounts as many as 1/3 of the total content released so far, in terms of wordcount. Even if he ends up trimming those dialogue lines to make it shorter than it currently is, the art task count is still way larger than any other update, and being an update focused on Gomira it means that new backgrounds and sprites need to be created from scratch, since we'll visit some new parts of the map and she has never been displayed as a sprite (her only scene so far was a cutscene made of different original drawings, while Rose or Holly or Myrtle had their sprites ready for the very first update). So in this particular case, there was exactly 0 premade assets to start working with.

So we are talking they need to made about a third of what they did in about 3.5 years (the time passed between they started working on the project - a bit more than a year before the first release in May 2020 - and the 0.6 update in July 2022), then take into account they had a baby and a serious surgery which would have meant 6 months of paid leaves for both devs and there you have it: we are basically on time according to their track record.

That is actually a cool story, but the biggest update line is so overused in these games. Hard to believe and 1/3 on a side chick is just ridiculous coping on your part. But about a 0 premade assets, i'm 100% sure they will use old resoures.

 

[SomeoneX22]

They're actually probably losing money on it at this point.

They must try very hard to lose €6,899 every month, inb4 50 arts update after 2 years of "losing money"

 

[moskyx]

That is actually a cool story, but the biggest update line is so overused in these games. Hard to believe and 1/3 on a side chick is just ridiculous coping on your part. But about a 0 premade assets, i'm 100% sure they will use old resoures.

Well, if you just don't want to believe this couple of devs who have never been caught in a lie in 4 years and have always underpromised and overdelivered in their estimations, and all of this just because 'other devs' did, that says more about your irrationally butthurt thinking than about my 'coping'. Anyway, I won't lose sleep for this. About the premade assets, just be honest with yourself and others. Have you seen a single Gomira's sprite in the available content so far? Why and how would they have a bunch of already-made backgrounds and sprites for her story when they were working on other updates in which they didn't need them? Sure, the MC is mostly covered at this point so technically is true they will use some old resources, but I thought it was obvious I was talking about Gomira's art and the quest-related backgrounds.

 

[Bobbylikesthegames]

Yeah, i guess most are superficial when young.... tastes change though. In WaL my favourite girl would have been somebody like Serena but now by far my favourite would be Greta

HAHAHA. Spoken like a man who has never been married. I'm more about the tree with the killer ass! I highly doubt it would give me shit for working two jobs and extra hours to afford a beautiful home... HAHAHAHA

 

[Mordikay]

Why are people still arguing in this thread? It's been over 2 years, the game has been marked as abondoned and if people want to pay a monthly fee for 2 years of nothing just let them.

Like in all gaming media money speaks and if you stop giving people and companies money they get shit done REAL fast.

 

[Big Green]

Well, if you just don't want to believe this couple of devs who have never been caught in a lie in 4 years and have always underpromised and overdelivered in their estimations, and all of this just because 'other devs' did, that says more about your irrationally butthurt thinking than about my 'coping'. Anyway, I won't lose sleep for this. About the premade assets, just be honest with yourself and others. Have you seen a single Gomira's sprite in the available content so far? Why and how would they have a bunch of already-made backgrounds and sprites for her story when they were working on other updates in which they didn't need them? Sure, the MC is mostly covered at this point so technically is true they will use some old resources, but I thought it was obvious I was talking about Gomira's art and the quest-related backgrounds.

So yeah they have to do a Gomira sprite. So what?? The rest of the cast will be still at their disposal, or do you really think that she will have zero interactions with the world? Same goes with backgrounds, it will be 3-5 new places and the rest are old backgrounds.

You yourself said that 3.5 years of dev time was put into 3/3 of the game rn, so how is 1/3 of a game for 2 years sound good for you? (even tho i said i'm not buying this 1/3). It's still slow as fuck. And i'm perfectly fine, what to butthurt over when i was not even that interested in this game. It's more like you can't just admit that the devs are trolling at this point so you have to pretend that all is going according to plan.

 

[moskyx]

So yeah they have to do a Gomira sprite. So what?? The rest of the cast will be still at their disposal, or do you really think that she will have zero interactions with the world? Same goes with backgrounds, it will be 3-5 new places and the rest are old backgrounds.

You yourself said that 3.5 years of dev time was put into 3/3 of the game rn, so how is 1/3 of a game for 2 years sound good for you? (even tho i said i'm not buying this 1/3). It's still slow as fuck. And i'm perfectly fine, what to butthurt over when i was not even that interested in this game. It's more like you can't just admit that the devs are trolling at this point so you have to pretend that all is going according to plan.

Let's do some basic maths, then, and let's see if you can follow: 3.5 years mean 3/3 of the game, so 1/3 would mean 1.2 years, or 14 months give or take. Add the 5 months of paid leave they both would be granted if they were on the payroll for someone else in their country (16 weeks for both parents, plus one extra month for breastfeeding only for Chestnut, the artist, plus at least another month for Pistachio due to his double hip surgery), and ta-daa! we are not-so-magically at the current state of affairs of 19 months of waiting.

Now, when you are on a paid leave you can't work at all, but when you get back to work you are expected to be working at your 100% from day one. In this case, they said they didn't stop working, but any adult person who's been around a newborn knows how things tend to go in their first year, so I'd think it would be fair to assume that taking care of a newborn didn't let them work at their 100% until way after that 5-months mark -and that they didn't even work at their 10% at best for many weeks in that period. So, all in all, I think we can equal the totally paralyzing effect that a 5-months paid leave would cause on any given project with that of the constant but slower pace of development this project has been experiencing from October 2022 to October 2023.

That's why I think this update is not taking THAT long as it may seem, all things considered - that is, of course, if they are not lying about the size of this update, and as I said they have a clean track in that regard and even their progress tracker checks out. About the pre-existing assets, according to you, it's the same as with the previous updates: they also had tons of assets (again, according to you) they reused, so in the end it seems to me that they are working more or less at the very same pace as before, and even faster if I'm right and they have to create more environments than you are imagining. But this we'll see for sure when the update drops: until then, it's obvious you have chosen your side and aren't willing to even consider the possibility of being wrong. And this leads us to the final point.

I didn't say you were butthurt by this game, I said yours was an 'irrational butthurt thinking' because it sounded like you were hurt by some other devs in the past, which has made you think all of them are the same, which is irrational due to being butthurt. Now it only sounds like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, throwing accusations and assumptions without even taking a proper look at the available info beyond your own nose or the reasons others (I) give to you. Who is trolling at this point?

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

They must try very hard to lose €6,899 every month, inb4 50 arts update after 2 years of "losing money"

My mistake, you clearly know what you're talking about.

 

[MEOW876]

Me see the abandoned tag: panik
Me remember this is the site rule : kalm
Me relize it have been 2 year since last update : huh cat.jpg
Me saw the dev still update the weekly report: well, it better be big ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Big Green]

Let's do some basic maths, then, and let's see if you can follow: 3.5 years mean 3/3 of the game, so 1/3 would mean 1.2 years, or 14 months give or take. Add the 5 months of paid leave they both would be granted if they were on the payroll for someone else in their country (16 weeks for both parents, plus one extra month for breastfeeding only for Chestnut, the artist, plus at least another month for Pistachio due to his double hip surgery), and ta-daa! we are not-so-magically at the current state of affairs of 19 months of waiting.

Now, when you are on a paid leave you can't work at all, but when you get back to work you are expected to be working at your 100% from day one. In this case, they said they didn't stop working, but any adult person who's been around a newborn knows how things tend to go in their first year, so I'd think it would be fair to assume that taking care of a newborn didn't let them work at their 100% until way after that 5-months mark -and that they didn't even work at their 10% at best for many weeks in that period. So, all in all, I think we can equal the totally paralyzing effect that a 5-months paid leave would cause on any given project with that of the constant but slower pace of development this project has been experiencing from October 2022 to October 2023.

That's why I think this update is not taking THAT long as it may seem, all things considered - that is, of course, if they are not lying about the size of this update, and as I said they have a clean track in that regard and even their progress tracker checks out. About the pre-existing assets, according to you, it's the same as with the previous updates: they also had tons of assets (again, according to you) they reused, so in the end it seems to me that they are working more or less at the very same pace as before, and even faster if I'm right and they have to create more environments than you are imagining. But this we'll see for sure when the update drops: until then, it's obvious you have chosen your side and aren't willing to even consider the possibility of being wrong. And this leads us to the final point.

I didn't say you were butthurt by this game, I said yours was an 'irrational butthurt thinking' because it sounded like you were hurt by some other devs in the past, which has made you think all of them are the same, which is irrational due to being butthurt. Now it only sounds like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, throwing accusations and assumptions without even taking a proper look at the available info beyond your own nose or the reasons others (I) give to you. Who is trolling at this point?

But how can they deliver the biggest update ever made 1/3 of the game, when you say that they didn't even work that much? Do you really think they were working non stop those 1.2 years? Even that amount of time is stupid for a single update of a visual fucking novel. So why didnt't they deliver in a year before the child was born?

What a Legends!

 

[moskyx]

But how can they deliver the biggest update ever made 1/3 of the game, when you say that they didn't even work that much? Do you really think they were working non stop those 1.2 years? Even that amount of time is stupid for a single update of a visual fucking novel. So why didnt't they deliver in a year before the child was born?

What a Legends!

OK, last comment since I get Maths is a bit tough for you and you're even starting to get your dates wrong. Yes, it is their biggest update, because in one single update, they are going to add 1/3 of what they have added in 6 updates. That makes this update twice as large as the average update so far. And, as I've pointed out, they are spending in this update more or less the same time (after adjusting the parental issue) they needed to create 1/3 of the current content. Which again, seems about fair. The child was born in October 2022, and they delivered the previous update at the end of July 2022, so that's about 2 months of work due to a couple of weeks of rest they took after releasing 0.6. They basically planned out the quests and have just started working on it when the baby was born.

Seriously, dude. Nobody will think less of you if you just let it be. But keep doubling down your dumb takes and most sane people will think that... well, I'll let you guess. You choose.

Anyway, what matters here is that all of this info has been available to their supporters as events were developing, all while their daily progress (or 'lack' of progress) is made public every morning on their discord and their site. People can feel disappointed and drop their support, and rightly so, but no one can really say they've been misled by those devs who quickly cool down the excitement when someone expresses his hopes of getting the update earlier than devs think they will be able to provide it. There's no *soon* or similar messages from them, quite the opposite.

 

[ryndegart]

already 2 years huh.

 

[Sc4r1etz]

It's been two years and two peoples full time job, that's ok progress to you?

i'll give you 10 years go make a better game than these 2 devs, not coping just wanna see what can you possibly do to make a better games

 

[Big Green]

OK, last comment since I get Maths is a bit tough for you and you're even starting to get your dates wrong. Yes, it is their biggest update, because in one single update, they are going to add 1/3 of what they have added in 6 updates. That makes this update twice as large as the average update so far. And, as I've pointed out, they are spending in this update more or less the same time (after adjusting the parental issue) they needed to create 1/3 of the current content. Which again, seems about fair. The child was born in October 2022, and they delivered the previous update at the end of July 2022, so that's about 2 months of work due to a couple of weeks of rest they took after releasing 0.6. They basically planned out the quests and have just started working on it when the baby was born.

Seriously, dude. Nobody will think less of you if you just let it be. But keep doubling down your dumb takes and most sane people will think that... well, I'll let you guess. You choose.

Anyway, what matters here is that all of this info has been available to their supporters as events were developing, all while their daily progress (or 'lack' of progress) is made public every morning on their discord and their site. People can feel disappointed and drop their support, and rightly so, but no one can really say they've been misled by those devs who quickly cool down the excitement when someone expresses his hopes of getting the update earlier than devs think they will be able to provide it. There's no *soon* or similar messages from them, quite the opposite.

I just don't care much about this game so i didn't know when they had a child lol. Still You picture it like the baby just dropped out of nowhere. And then they just went for a 1/3 update (if it even will be that) instead of doing smaller ones. The character there is not even main girl or something. So yeah good production, when even normal updates are taking ages.