Ren'Py Abandoned What a Legend! [v0.6.04] [MagicNuts]

[Charlotte_Muffins]

So has development actually been abandoned?

 

[Papallymo]

They have announced that the game will be released in the last week of November, but I bet that they will extend the premiere as much as possible, until the very end, i.e. until November 30, or even the update will take place on the night from November thirtieth to December first, a few minutes before midnight.

I heard there was a complaint that november does not have 31 days

 

[ProfN42]

ANY RPG MAKER VERSION?

Oh GOD why would you want to replace this game's gorgeous art with another RPGmaker clone? Literally the plague on adult VN's, everyone and their mom thinks they can shit out a porn game with that tool and they all look the same.

RPG Maker porn games be like: hey anon, if you bring me 600 tufts of grass I'll show you my boobs! uwu
Yeah the devs for WAL have their flaws but not including shit like that is a design choice I'll be forever thankful for.

Yeah it's so eyerolling when a dev will advertise 10 hours of gameplay in an update and 8 of them turn out to be clicking through the same few screens of a point and click "minigame" to farm up enough cash or "stamina" or "magic points" or whatever to see the next scene. That's not really gameplay, it's padding.

I mean everything that makes a porn VN game something more than just a flood of text between lewd scenes. By 'mechanics' I mean exactly this. A fishing mini-game, a doll-dressing mini-game, an exploration or a fighting mode, multiple plot lines - these are mechanics. You playing a game by using mechanics, otherwise it's just a VN. So iirc WaL is a straight-forward VN with no gameplay. It would be nice to have something to do in a game but it takes an actual game design.

Minigames that are actually minigames and demand a little thought or skill would be fine.

Okay, so, let me get this straight. In the last two updates (granted they were only a second degree update, not like a 0.7 or anything), the only things that have changed were... making a couple scenes less nonconsensual? Feels like the devs could've just kept those in the WIP version and rolled those changes out in the next major update.

They didn't have a choice, it was take out the incest shit or get booted off patreon. No great loss IMO

When starting from scratch, the game feels like it's going to be a sandbox, roam-around-the-map-looking-for-the-next-minor-event style game, however it does feel like it's become more compartmentalised, particularly with how the latest updates are rolled out: Click on that section of the map, talk to that characters, and then an entire episode will roll out before you.

So in that sense, the original mechanics have been dumbed down, resulting in a mostly VN interface, with a fuck load of (well conceived) reading.

My expectation is that Episode 7 will follow that new approach: A new section on the map will be open, we'll click on it, and be whisked away into the realm of some lustful orc.

It'll probably run for about 4 or so hours of reading time, and then it will all be over, and the patrons will run screaming continue to pay out for the next few hours of reading, and people here will bemoan the money they never spent, and the time they shouldn't have wasted; they will decry the poor value, and will stick around complaining until the next episode comes out.

Painfully accurate. These large "get it all done in one" updates feel railroady.

Now it makes sense why the game feels less and less fun as it goes on when you guys point that out. The early game was structured in a way that you couldn't possibly do a "Gomira and nobody else" update. The game's still good for its wholesome fun story and art (although the anatomy in the sex scenes feels a bit off when viewed after all this time without a boner). But the gameplay was that secret sauce that made it fun to play.

There's no good solution though. You either progress everyone's story by a small amount each update, which feels more cohesive as a whole, or you compartmentalize and give a lot of story to one character. Either way, it either becomes "not enough progression for two years" or " two years for one fucking orc" and people are unhappy

There is a good solution: abandon the "patrons vote every year or two for Best Girl" system. It may have increased subscription back in the day but now it's just frustrating everyone bc the majority are mad their waifu wasn't chosen. The Nuts should explicitly abandon the pay to vote idea, replace it with "patrons can submit ideas / have their name on an NPC" sort of thing, and go back to designing a clever interactive world where it feels like the main character can pursue any woman he sees.

 

[Kisama33]

 

[DemiMaximoff]

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Completed two tasks, added two tasks. Marvelous

 

[Spankymcspanky]

Seems like progress is being made, but a damn shame a project of this quality slacked off the way it did. I can't complain as a non-paying customer, but shit like this is why a subscription payment system is a very bad idea in the adult gaming industry. Having a system that pays per release would not only be better for the paying customer, but would also cut out so many of this subscription abusing bastards.

 

[JJohns2049]

Seems like progress is being made, but a damn shame a project of this quality slacked off the way it did. I can't complain as a non-paying customer, but shit like this is why a subscription payment system is a very bad idea in the adult gaming industry. Having a system that pays per release would not only be better for the paying customer, but would also cut out so many of this subscription abusing bastards.

I agree one one side, but not having any problem every month because money flows is is nice. Of course they still need to work for it. And obvious as a non-paying customer, who am I to complain...

And if it takes long enough, I get to play the whole game again. Of course I hope it continues, and a new update comes, there already have been lots of good ideas abandoned in the years...

 

[ProfN42]

Seems like progress is being made, but a damn shame a project of this quality slacked off the way it did. I can't complain as a non-paying customer, but shit like this is why a subscription payment system is a very bad idea in the adult gaming industry. Having a system that pays per release would not only be better for the paying customer, but would also cut out so many of this subscription abusing bastards.

We need something less like the Patreon model, and more like the Kickstarter model. The project either fully funds or it doesn't, plus or minus stretch goals. Once the funding period is over it's over, and anyone who didn't fund while it was open can wait and buy it on Steam.

 

[Spankymcspanky]

We need something less like the Patreon model, and more like the Kickstarter model. The project either fully funds or it doesn't, plus or minus stretch goals. Once the funding period is over it's over, and anyone who didn't fund while it was open can wait and buy it on Steam.

People just aren't smart with their money and throw it at anything. Patreon would be fine if you just paid on the month as a single payment rather than continuous payments. Like an option for pay per release as opposed to paying for 6+ months with no evidence of project growth.

 

[DemiMaximoff]

We need something less like the Patreon model, and more like the Kickstarter model. The project either fully funds or it doesn't, plus or minus stretch goals. Once the funding period is over it's over, and anyone who didn't fund while it was open can wait and buy it on Steam.

Nah. Both have their place, and whatever you have of this game wouldn't be here if it was a Kickstarter. The people who wanted to support them through their non-productive times were able to do so because of the Patreon model, and that is the sole reason the project is still alive.

If it was a Kickstarter, the project will be canned as soon as they faced some roadblocks. The alternative to what we have now is going "waaahh another good game abandoned forever" . I prefer that they milk people who consent to be milked and keep the project going.

They gave a release date, let's wait it out. We can continue with the thievery accusations if they delay the first real deadline they gave.