whichone

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is the creator still working on this or has it been abandoned, almost a year since the last update and the progress tracker is still tbd
Still working.
For some reason, the progress tracker in the OP hasn't been updated.
Check the one on their own , for current state of play:
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Dev updates are shared weekly, I think. Last one here.
Thread search, by user: KingBea, will find them for you. (y)
 
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Calvar

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I feel like many of the top tier games have slowed to a snails pace. If you look, this, BeingaDIIK, etc are like a year since the last updates.
 

Calvar

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It is almost as if quality takes time... Imagine that!
Fair enough, but some have the budget to hire additional hands, while at the same time are incentivized to draw these games out as long as possible to perpetuate funding. I mean who wouldn't when people are willing to donate hundreds of thousands a year to some of the developers without legal binding? So long as they have any progress as per Patreon rules, they can spread that sucker right out, since they are donations and are not protected like an actual purchase. You can pull out the torches, but wondering and questioning things that are legitimate concerns will continue by me or others. Not everyone is Sycophantic and feels a need to tiptoe around questions and concerns, but I dissuade you from pointless retorts like "you don't have to play it" etc. It is simply an observation, and one that is legitimate.
 

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Fair enough, but some have the budget to hire additional hands, while at the same time are incentivized to draw these games out as long as possible to perpetuate funding. I mean who wouldn't when people are willing to donate hundreds of thousands a year to some of the developers without legal binding? So long as they have any progress as per Patreon rules, they can spread that sucker right out, since they are donations and are not protected like an actual purchase. You can pull out the torches, but wondering and questioning things that are legitimate concerns will continue by me or others. Not everyone is Sycophantic and feels a need to tiptoe around questions and concerns, but I dissuade you from pointless retorts like "you don't have to play it" etc. It is simply an observation, and one that is legitimate.
But how is having people working comfortably, at their own pace, on something they like, and getting well-paid for it by people who are not being misled on giving them money, a 'concern'? Who is 'concerned'? No, you just want them to work faster, which is fair, but that's entirely on you, your wishes, and your expectations. Having successful devs taking their time to create polished works, while being transparent about it (and releasing it free for all, in this case) is not concerning at all.
 

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But how is having people working comfortably, at their own pace, on something they like, and getting well-paid for it by people who are not being misled on giving them money, a 'concern'? Who is 'concerned'? No, you just want them to work faster, which is fair, but that's entirely on you, your wishes, and your expectations. Having successful devs taking their time to create polished works, while being transparent about it (and releasing it free for all, in this case) is not concerning at all.

By all means support them, it allows the content to be created at whatever pace people permit to them. If people are okay with the meandering then that is quite fine. It is however concerning to Me as I work in the field, understand development processes, incentives, and believe the progress/payment ratio to be off. Which is why I pulled my donations from 3 developers. I wish them all the luck and admire their product to be sure, however I will not be part of the donation pool until things are released at more regular intervals. If it changes I will start back up again.
 

whichone

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It is simply an observation, and one that is legitimate.
We've all witnessed devs who've displayed the type of poor behaviour that you reference.
Generally they're in the minority.
But that does not, in any way, automatically equate to it being fair to level at any\all devs.
That's a rather large generalisation, rather than an "observation".

Personally, I'd suggest that we judge devs on their own behaviour, not on the piss poor behaviour of some others.
It's pretty easy to identify that your generalisation does not legitimately apply to the devs for this game.
 

moskyx

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By all means support them, it allows the content to be created at whatever pace people permit to them. If people are okay with the meandering then that is quite fine. It is however concerning to Me as I work in the field, understand development processes, incentives, and believe the progress/payment ratio to be off. Which is why I pulled my donations from 3 developers. I wish them all the luck and admire their product to be sure, however I will not be part of the donation pool until things are released at more regular intervals. If it changes I will start back up again.
No, look, unless you are creating adult games on your own, you work in a different field with other rules and surely different progress/payment ratios, and you're judging them with those different values. This is not intrinsically wrong: in the end, we all make our choices according to our views. For instance, I have other criteria to choose who I support but, as it happens, I don't support Magicnuts financially, just like you - but in my case it's because, at this point, my 5 bucks wouldn't make any difference, so I prefer supporting other devs I consider underrated.

The thing you should note, though, is that this scene is not an actual industry like the one you're presumably part of. Even if there are a few proper studios (kind of), it's mostly made of solo devs who aspire to keep working solo while earning a comfortable living wage. Sure, when you work solo and you're getting a good amount of cash that doesn't seem to drastically recede even when you work 'slower', there's an incentive to not push yourself up to your max. But then is up to each individual to choose which path to follow. And those games you used as examples are indeed the perfect example of successful ventures in this weird business: they are talented, serious, committed people creating quality products and who managed to live off them, which should be everyone's life's goal - and who keep giving their best instead of slacking. They have a nice cushion that lets them work in a more relaxed way (maybe, because these Magicnuts guys claim to be working on their game 7 days per week for some months now) but this is not translating into worst products.

Updates are taking longer to be released? Yeah, that's a fact. Another fact is that we are yet to see a drop in those projects' quality that could justify using the word 'concerning' in the way we tend to understand around here (and that you also used when you mentioned the risk of devs releasing just the bare minimum content to stay on patreon). No, each update is bigger, more polished and more complex than the previous one. So I can't really get this negative view of what *might* happen when the reality is that those projects you mentioned are precisely two of the most reliable and trustworthy projects out there. I do believe that people who tend to expect the worse from successful devs with clean records are either victims of some scammer or probably just projecting their own fears of what they would do if in their shoes.
 

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Why are the people making hand-crafted, artisan, sparkling adult games satisfied with making a living doing something they enjoy at their own pace instead of reinvesting every penny into building up a misery machine that sucks the life out of its underpaid and overworked employees in order to rapidly churn out games carefully calibrated to maximize profit?
 

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This is a very great game with a great art. Damn been two years since i saw this, and now i will ripe the benefit of waiting.
 

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By all means support them, it allows the content to be created at whatever pace people permit to them. If people are okay with the meandering then that is quite fine. It is however concerning to Me as I work in the field, understand development processes, incentives, and believe the progress/payment ratio to be off. Which is why I pulled my donations from 3 developers. I wish them all the luck and admire their product to be sure, however I will not be part of the donation pool until things are released at more regular intervals. If it changes I will start back up again.
Careful now, those words can get you in trouble with the local law enforcement in these parts. I tried bringing my similar concern to light here, and got railed on for even daring to suggest that it is definitely not worth the money to support WaL developers every month between updates.

Prepare yourself...
 
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moskyx

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Careful now, those words can get you in trouble with the local law enforcement in these parts. I tried bringing my similar concern to light here, and got railed on for even daring to suggest that it is definitely not worth the money to support WaL developers every month between updates.

Prepare yourself...
I think you're forgetting the part in which you gently asked if you could make fun of those who still think it's worth... That's what got you problems
 
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