Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.05] [MagicNuts]

[j4yj4m]

7 months they were unable to sit down, even an hour a day to work on the game when they're getting paid 7k per month?

Insane copium.

It's really up to the patrons in this case. If the sole artist (who I think we agree should not be temporarily replaced by someone else for the sake of consistency) gives birth, it's normal in most civilised contries to get parental leave. Where I'm living it's indeed quite normal to get at least a year. So it's understable that she took a real break for some time.

It takes 5 seconds to stop your contribution on patreon, so one would hope, that those people who think they didn't get what they gave their money for, have stopped giving long ago.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think it's pretty insane how many people demand that a monther of a newborn starts working again right away, just so they have their porn game. Then again, I'm not following this topic closely, so one may just ignore this comment...

 

[Conrad-N7]

ngl... 7k per month is fuck loads of money. One would expect enough work done per week that you dont have to wait 2 years for an actual content update. Gonna hope its not actual scam rolling or something and we get low quality update... but seriously, 2 years is bloody lot even with issues in life. Like... a mothers love had some serious issues and the dev made their update faster and issues sounded more serious... and they get paid only 1k ish a month lol

 

[Derpsel]

It's really up to the patrons in this case. If the sole artist (who I think we agree should not be temporarily replaced by someone else for the sake of consistency) gives birth, it's normal in most civilised contries to get parental leave. Where I'm living it's indeed quite normal to get at least a year. So it's understable that she took a real break for some time.

It takes 5 seconds to stop your contribution on patreon, so one would hope, that those people who think they didn't get what they gave their money for, have stopped giving long ago.

In the UK, you're right you can get that time off, but the person can also claim back all the money they make during it from HMRC, which they'd get around 90% of their already top wage.

I'd think the people funding you to work on a game, which literally cannot progress because the artist isn't working, should not be taking funds for no reason. The developer can also pause their patreon, but they didn't.

 

[j4yj4m]

I'd think the people funding you to work on a game, which literally cannot progress because the artist isn't working, should not be taking funds for no reason. The developer can also pause their patreon, but they didn't.

Why though? If people want to keep giving money, because they want to support the project, that's totally fine to me.

Those people who fund the game get very regular reports on patreon, so they are certainly able to decide - that's of course, as long as they care.

 

[Derpsel]

Why though? If people want to keep giving money, because they want to support the project, that's totally fine to me.

Those people who fund the game get very regular reports on patreon, so they are certainly able to decide - that's of course, as long as they care.

You know why so many companies are chasing subscription based models for everything right now? Because it's so easy for people to forget about the subscription and let it carry on. We don't actually know how many of their current backers are happy with giving them money. Evidence of this? Look at some of the years previous abandoned games, there's still people contributing on Patreon.

All of those weekly updates have less than 50-60 engaged contributers, out of 1850, that's not a good look.

 

[j4yj4m]

You know why so many companies are chasing subscription based models for everything right now? Because it's so easy for people to forget about the subscription and let it carry on. We don't actually know how many of their current backers are happy with giving them money. Evidence of this? Look at some of the years previous abandoned games, there's still people contributing on Patreon.

All of those weekly updates have less than 50-60 engaged contributers, out of 1850, that's not a good look.

Honestly, to me, that's personal responsibilty. They have been as transparent as it gets.

But maybe that's just my personal attitude towards people who can't handle subscriptions in general. It's simply their ineptitude, which should not be prioritized above those who really want to give money.

There will still be people out there who want to to support the devs, there'll still be people who play the game for the first time and may want to pay a few $ for that, etc. - to me, those are more important than those who are too lazy to handle their own money.

 

[Derpsel]

Honestly, to me, that's simply called personal responsibilty. They have been as transparent as it gets.

But maybe that's just my personal attitude towards people who can't handle subscriptions in general. It's simply their ineptitude, which should not be prioritized above those who really want to give money.

There will still be people out there who want to to support the devs, there'll still be people who play the game for the first time and may want to pay a few $ for that, etc. - to me, those are more important than those who are too lazy to handle their money.

That's where we disagree I guess, over 340 people are still contributing to Dark Silver on Patreon, he's released 3 games and abandoned every single one, are you suggesting people are still attempting to support him? I don't think so.

I understand if people want to support it, and that's fair enough, I just don't believe that 1850 people who are paying month to month are happy with the progress, or the excuses as to why it's been so slow.

 

[DD_King]

You live with your parents or you have no idea how much it costs to hire people.
If €6,889/month, before Patreon's cut and before taxes, is their only income, it doesn't leave quite enough money as you think.

you are not taking a full time super designer you could pay a talented starter per picture and its 2 years of that money and if the devs are jobless and this is their way of making money im sorry for them tbh

 

[DD_King]

and the poor guys who are still paying them to be lazy, a person in need works his as* off

 

[j4yj4m]

That's where we disagree I guess, over 340 people are still contributing to Dark Silver on Patreon, he's released 3 games and abandoned every single one, are you suggesting people are still attempting to support him? I don't think so.

No, but I don't pity them at all. Sure, patreon could add some long term cut-off for inactive devs, but that's a different discussion.

I understand if people want to support it, and that's fair enough, I just don't believe that 1850 people who are paying month to month are happy with the progress, or the excuses as to why it's been so slow.

If they aren't, then they should stop giving money. It's not that hard.

 

[DD_King]

Who cares about F95 abandoned tag if you make 7k/month on patreon?
As long as patrons okay with this amount of time for 1 update, nothing else matters
And the grumbling of dissatisfied pirates in this thread is probably not a concern for developers

big W but im still on the things that i said

 

[Derpsel]

No, but I don't pity them at all. Sure, patreon could add some long term cut-off for inactive devs, but that's a different discussion.

If they aren't, then they should stop giving money. It's not that hard.

They should stop giving them money, that's correct. Your idea is that because they haven't, it means they're still supporting them. I disagree, and provided some arguments for why that might be, citing another abandoned game which is still receiving money.

No one is suggesting that a mother who has given birth should instantly start working again, but to use the 6 months that she'd be off work as an excuse to why the update is taking over 18 months is poor. (She could technically take a year, but I don't see how that would be needed considering their job consists of them being at home.)

 

[storm1051787]

7 months they were unable to sit down, even an hour a day to work on the game when they're getting paid 7k per month?

Insane copium.

I'm guessing you've never been around a new born? There is a reason maternity leave is a thing that exist. Baby's eat up pretty much all your freetime. It's a full time job

 

[Derpsel]

I'm guessing you've never been around a new born? There is a reason maternity leave is a thing that exist. Baby's eat up pretty much all your freetime. It's a full time job

Sure, not for 18 months though.

Also some things to consider, the average time taken is 26 weeks, and the average job does not consist of working from home, the largest hurdle being child care.

 

[PBS666]

After all the armchair business consultants, now we have armchair doctors/gynecologists as well

 

[storm1051787]

Sure, not for 18 months though.

No, but the updates regularly take a year and pretty much finish an entire storyline. That's nothing unusual. So you have the standard time it takes to make an update plus the 6 or 7 months or whatever they took a break to care for the new born and you have around 18 months. At this point the update is almost done according to the devs themselves and all they're doing now is debugging. I'd give it maybe 2 or 3 weeks

 

[Derpsel]

No, but the updates regularly take a year and pretty much finish an entire storyline. That's nothing unusual. So you have the standard time it takes to make an update plus the 6 or 7 months or whatever they took a break to care for the new born and you have around 18 months. At this point the update is almost done according to the devs themselves and all they're doing now is debugging. I'd give it maybe 2 or 3 weeks

That's a fair prediction, but I guess we'll see in a few weeks.

 

[j4yj4m]

Your idea is that because they haven't, it means they're still supporting them. I disagree, and provided some arguments for why that might be, citing another abandoned game which is still receiving money.

I mean, by now people do get push notifications every time a transaction happens on their paypal/credit card account. As said, in this case I don't pity those who pay. One may see it as some kind of royalties for the dev's past work. It's his luck and that's ok.

But again, I'd gues it's maybe just me not seeing the point in these money discussions in general - at least not as long as devs aren't actively deceiving/threatening their patrons

... maybe that's why DarkSilver may indeed be the worst example, as people - as far as I see it - should have stopped giving him money years ago for different reasons.

 

[DarkDesires]

 

[BayJay47]

People always seethe over the financial decisions of others. I'm no different, but it's important to remember that a lot of people either don't care, actively buy into whatever the various slow devs are saying, or offer support for some other reason completely unrelated.

I'm not even saying the various devs are intentionally misleading people. I'm sure some of them are, but I think most of them aren't. In this case, I happen to think this dev has been perfectly satisfactory in their explanations. I sympathize with their situation. I genuinely wish them the best. I also do not actively support them, because I, personally, expect content for my money. In fact, I expect high quality content that specifically satisfies whatever itch I have to scratch at that particular time.

We all want the same thing: We want devs who crank out lots of excellent content at a fast pace, while simultaneously getting absolute boatloads of cash for their efforts. Unfortunately, that falls short for most games in at least one way.