Ren'Py What a Legend! [v0.7.05] [MagicNuts]

[Fattishman]

...it's a pity. This game was one of the most promising both in terms of art and story. Difficult to understand how it was possible to have regular releases and progress for first couple of years and now, that they have budget, there is a new chapter every one year ad a half...consdering after chap 0.7 there will be other 3 to reach the 1.0 (plus eventually some additional contents after the story end) it will take to end 2029, or even in 2030...it's more than a several M$ AAA game on modern systems...it's obvious that first thining goes to goldmining patreons, but well...their money their choice...

 

[moskyx]

It's not surprise at all, but none of this matches up with the actual progress tracker. I can't understand the people who still respect this dev, but its their money to spend.

How are things not matching up? They had an initial plan and broke it down into pieces (art, writing, coding, posing tasks). Then, after completing those planned tasks (and also while completing them) they check the whole thing and detect those issues mentioned, translating them into more editing and debugging tasks (which basically means rewriting, redrawing and reposing already made content). People are free to not believe what devs say but things do match.

...it's a pity. This game was one of the most promising both in terms of art and story. Difficult to understand how it was possible to have regular releases and progress for first couple of years and now, that they have budget, there is a new chapter eery one year ad a half...consdering after chap 0.7 there will be other 3 to reach the 1.0 (plus eventually some additional contents after the story end) it will take to end 2029, or even in 2030...it's more than a several M$ AAA game on modern systems...it's obvious that first thining goes to goldmining patreons, but well...their money their choice...

v0.7 doesn't mean the game will end after 3 more updates. It will end at v1.0, sure, but after v0.9 it comes v0.10, then v0.11, and so on until they decide it's time to wrap it up and release that v1.0. The reasons for this delayed update have been explained at nauseam: biggest update so far, plus a newborn child, plus a nasty surgery.

 

[woody554]

plus a newborn child, plus a nasty surgery.

most of us have been on this ride so many times that excuses like these mean nothing. ALL of them always have understandable and plausible sounding explanations like that. but the thing is the development never returns back on track. I can't remember a single case where it happened.

 

[moskyx]

most of us have been on this ride so many times that excuses like these mean nothing. ALL of them always have understandable and plausible sounding explanations like that. but the thing is the development never returns back on track. I can't remember a single case where it happened.

Things like that have happened in the past, and I can understand people being wary of this. But those were other devs, not this team, and I'm sure there are also examples of games getting back on track after a rocky update. You can still not believe what these devs say, but that doesn't mean they are lying. Their record, as well as their transparency about this delay and the overall progress, make it fair to keep trusting them. As I said some weeks ago, their credibility is on the line, though, and only the next update will tell. They have surely consumed most of the trust they earned in those first years and the heated comments in this thread are an obvious sign, but putting a cross on them just yet still seems unfair to me.

 

[woody554]

Things like that have happened in the past, and I can understand people being wary of this. But those were other devs, not this team, and I'm sure there are also examples of games getting back on track after a rocky update. You can still not believe what these devs say, but that doesn't mean they are lying. Their record, as well as their transparency about this delay and the overall progress, make it fair to keep trusting them. As I said some weeks ago, their credibility is on the line, though, and only the next update will tell. They have surely consumed most of the trust they earned in those first years and the heated comments in this thread are an obvious sign, but putting a cross on them just yet still seems unfair to me.

I used to write comments exactly like that as well, to people who write comments exactly like mine now. I'm pretty sure I even got responses like this one myself from people who had switched earlier. we all start from trusting the plausible excuses, but there's a limit where you just cave because the games NEVER bounce back.

when the original pace of updates starts to lag by several months, it's all gone already.

 

[Rosswel]

I'll just reiterate what I said months ago. At this point, we can't really judge whether or not the developers are justified with their delay until the next update released. The longer the wait however, the higher the quality of the next update need to be to win back people that supported this game

 

[Deleted member 6923157]

99.9999999% and it's "barely passable" ? Something smells fishy batman

That's why I always add the total polished, which makes it:

(631+1074)/(716+1076) = 0.95, so 95 % finished.

 

[Kisama33]

Consdering after chap 0.7 there will be other 3 to reach the 1.0

It's not like it really matters but you know there are numbers that come after 9 right? Like 0.10 and 0.11, it's only when you reach a sort of final version of the game with all the main content included that we get a 1.0 version. Of course it's not like there is some "dev rules book" that every game needs to follow but I just wanted to point out that 3 new version are not enough to reach that "final" version so you may want to go back to your prediction of release date and add that factor.

 

[Fattishman]

v0.7 doesn't mean the game will end after 3 more updates. It will end at v1.0, sure, but after v0.9 it comes v0.10, then v0.11, and so on until they decide it's time to wrap it up and release that v1.0. The reasons for this delayed update have been explained at nauseam: biggest update so far, plus a newborn child, plus a nasty surgery.

I don't want to go into personal issues. Everyone has its owns and will never consider a game a priority versus hillness, maternity or whatever, but:

0.1 release May 2020
0.2 releae July 2020
0.3 releae September 2020
0.4 release February 2021
0.5 release September 2021
0.6 release July 2022

there were 5 releases of the game in 1 year and 4 months, while 0.7 release is ongoing since almost 2 years
Understood from 0.6 release the choice was for big updates, but for sure now they have founds to speed-up at least the coding and polishing part of th game, and also maybe to seek assistance for some parts of the artworks

Their game, their choice...I was just thinking-out loud that it's a pity that this game may face lost of interest and endanger support for the next one

 

[Fattishman]

It's not like it really matters but you know there are numbers that come after 9 right? Like 0.10 and 0.11, it's only when you reach a sort of final version of the game with all the main content included that we get a 1.0 version. Of course it's not like there is some "dev rules book" that every game needs to follow but I just wanted to point out that 3 new version are not enough to reach that "final" version so you may want to go back to your prediction of release date and add that factor.

There was an old post where autors declared that readmap of tha game was already set and plan to finish with 1.0 version. They didn't exclude additional contents, but main story was planned to end at 1.0. Anyway it was an old post so I cannot know if plans changed.

 

[Kisama33]

There was an old post where autors eclared that readmap of tha game was already set and plan to finish with 1.0 version. They didn't exclude additional contents, but main story was planned to end at 1.0. Anyway it was an old post so I cannot know if plans changed.

Oh no I'm sure they probably want to finish the game at 1.0 what I was saying is that version doesn't mean 10 updates to complete it and that you can make a thousand updates until 1.0 comes out. Don't know what was the plan before but right know there is at least 4 updates in my head that are needed to at least finish what we have now (main story + females "unrelated to main story" storylines) and that doesn't mean that the final version will be 1.1 it can still be 1.0 that all I was trying to explain.

 

[Fattishman]

Oh no I'm sure they probably want to finish the game at 1.0 what I was saying is that version doesn't mean 10 updates to complete it and that you can make a thousand updates until 1.0 comes out. Don't know what was the plan before but right know there is at least 4 updates in the to at least finish what we have now (main story + females "unrelated to main story" storylines) and that doesn't mean that the final version will be 1.1 it can still be 1.0 that all I was trying to explain.

Up to now therey release 01., 0.2, and so on (with eventually some fix like 0.x1, 0.x2, etc), that's why I'm assuming we are having 0.7, 0.8, 0.9 and 1.0, so at least other 4 main updates, probably one main character per chapter

 

[Kisama33]

Up to now therey release 01., 0.2, and so on (with eventually some fix like 0.x1, 0.x2, etc), that's why I'm assuming we are having 0.7, 0.8, 0.9 and 1.0, so at least other 4 main updates, probably one main character per chapter

Just checked their twitter/X account and they had 5 options for update 0.8 apparently, I mean sure they can just make a big update with more than one character or 2 for each one or something and still finish it in 4 updates I just don't believe that will be the case.

 

[Fattishman]

Just checked their twitter/X account and they had 5 options for update 0.8 apparently, I mean sure they can just make a big update with more than one character or 2 for each one or something and still finish it in 4 updates I just don't believe that will be the case. View attachment 3605571

Yes, as said I don't know the plans, but probably main plot is set and we can expect at least 4 major updates. For sue they can focus on more than one character (and personally I think would be the best, or at least they can have one main focus, but some contents also for other characters, even some more replay situations, would be good) but considerin how long have been last 2 updates I have some concerns in having multiple characters per update...

 

[bratkoratko]

This devs make Ocean look competent, that takes specific talent i guess

 

[Dereck112]

Just checked their twitter/X account and they had 5 options for update 0.8 apparently, I mean sure they can just make a big update with more than one character or 2 for each one or something and still finish it in 4 updates I just don't believe that will be the case. View attachment 3605571

Either Maple or Holly (or both) would be amazing

 

[Kisama33]

Either Maple or Holly (or both) would be amazing

As far as I know it was exactly Holly who won the patreon poll so 0.8 will indeed be about her.

 

[moskyx]

I don't want to go into personal isues. Everyone has its ons and will never consider a game a priority versus hillness, maternity or whatever, but:

0.1 release May 2020
0.2 releae July 2020
0.3 releae September 2020
0.4 release February 2021
0.5 release September 2021
0.6 release July 2022

there were 5 releases of the game in 1 year and 4 months, while 0.7 release is ongoing since almost 2 years
Understood from 0.6 release the choice was for big updates, but for sure now they have founds to speed-up at least the coding and polishing part of th game, and also maybe to seek assistance for some parts of the artworks

Their game, their choice...I was just thinking-out loud that it's a pity that this game may face lost of interest and endanger support for the next one

I'll just link this comment since everything is explained there. Patrons voted for longer updates starting with 0.4, and the size of each one of those 3 updates has been basically the same as the first 3 combined, with more complex art and coding interactions explaining the progressively longer dev cycles. This time, the raw word count before the polishing phase is said to be about 1/3 of the overall content so far (it will be trimmed down, as explained in the las dev comment). Add a newborn and a bad surgery to the mix, which would grant them about 6 months of paid leave if they were working under contract for a third party, and we are just slightly off their usual schedule, considering the alleged work (and still on it if we are indulgent with the issues that tend to arise when taking care of a newborn 24/7 and the changes this meant in their usual workflow, as they used to work simultaneously and they are now working on turns, which slow things down a little bit as they can't communicate and fix on the spot the issues they detect with each other's work).

About the potential loss of interest, that's relatively true. But you should take into account that a new update will bring new players (and patrons) in, and if devs prove to be trustworthy by releasing a 'quicker' 0.8 update, most of this criticism will be forgotten or at least put away for another year or more. Right now, that may be seen as a big if, for sure, but it's a totally possible outcome, and that potential loss of interest won't be an actual problem at all.

Up to now therey release 01., 0.2, and so on (with eventually some fix like 0.x1, 0.x2, etc), that's why I'm assuming we are having 0.7, 0.8, 0.9 and 1.0, so at least other 4 main updates, probably one main character per chapter

As Kisama has tried to explain, those figures are not natural fraction numbers but just common IT notation. In v0.6.02, the digit before the first period (0) means this is an uncompleted version of the planned full game (which will be v1.0), while the second number (6) indicates the accumulative big update order -meaning there have been 5 big updates before this one; and the third number after the second period (02) means this is the second bugfix for that 6th version. So after the v0.9 they'll release the tenth big update, which will be named v0.10, then they'll release v0.11, and so on, until they release the last update which will be v1.0 anyway, no matter what name had the previous one. So fear not, there are still more than 4 updates to get there.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I used to write comments exactly like that as well, to people who write comments exactly like mine now. I'm pretty sure I even got responses like this one myself from people who had switched earlier. we all start from trusting the plausible excuses, but there's a limit where you just cave because the games NEVER bounce back.

when the original pace of updates starts to lag by several months, it's all gone already.

Because the whole point is to never bounce back.
Why return to regular updates when people still throw you money for nothing?
This game will never have regular updates unless something major worldwide happens again like the corona pandemic.

 

[Buffalo Fred]

Just checked their twitter/X account and they had 5 options for update 0.8 apparently, I mean sure they can just make a big update with more than one character or 2 for each one or something and still finish it in 4 updates I just don't believe that will be the case. View attachment 3605571

The least interesting update option is also the main story, that's annoying.