PhineasFlynn

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The total content progressed about 50% last year and hit 90% in December. This year it's moved up only 9% and in the last few months it hasn't moved.

It's almost like they pushed the numbers up without doing shit and now they're trying to catch up.
There was some Patreon issues few months ago. But still this is so long time.
 
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timtaylor

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Based on their progress to get to .6, I began supporting them on Patreon as they began prepping for .7. I wasn't thrilled about orc love (tiefling love perhaps, but not orc love), but I wagered that they would move through .7 at a comparable pace to .5 > .6, and I would soon be rewarded with .8 content. Today, I finally said enough was enough and withdrew my Patreon support. Say what you will about my hanging on too long, but hindsight is 20-20, plus it wasn't doing irreparable harm to my bank account to try to support them. Unfortunately for the developers, the world has changed a lot in the last two years. Creating a model that would allow AI to approximate if not replicate the WaL artwork is getting easier each day. Likewise, the number of people willing to pay for hand-drawn, bespoke art in their games is diminishing. Their sweet spot for completing the entire game is likely behind them, but ending the game with .7 is going to feel to their supporters as abrupt a head-on collision at 120 mph. I do not envy their plight, but I cannot support them strictly out of pity. There are too many competing opportunities in my life for charitable giving.
 

Culaio

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What the fuck is happening in there? 2 years of waiting for penetrating a orc?
I think that worse part is that if you are not interested in certain update than waiting will be much longer, for example I am not very interested in the update that is going to happen after orc one which means that after orc update comes out I will have to wait probably around 5 years for update that would actually interest me: 2+ years for update that doesnt interest me and than 2+ years for update that will interest me.
 

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Based on their progress to get to .6, I began supporting them on Patreon as they began prepping for .7. I wasn't thrilled about orc love (tiefling love perhaps, but not orc love), but I wagered that they would move through .7 at a comparable pace to .5 > .6, and I would soon be rewarded with .8 content. Today, I finally said enough was enough and withdrew my Patreon support. Say what you will about my hanging on too long, but hindsight is 20-20, plus it wasn't doing irreparable harm to my bank account to try to support them. Unfortunately for the developers, the world has changed a lot in the last two years. Creating a model that would allow AI to approximate if not replicate the WaL artwork is getting easier each day. Likewise, the number of people willing to pay for hand-drawn, bespoke art in their games is diminishing. Their sweet spot for completing the entire game is likely behind them, but ending the game with .7 is going to feel to their supporters as abrupt a head-on collision at 120 mph. I do not envy their plight, but I cannot support them strictly out of pity. There are too many competing opportunities in my life for charitable giving.
Hey, some would say 'better late than never' in regards to you pulling your pledge, but honestly you've shown a lot of guts by admitting this, and admitting that maybe the Devs aren't doing this project in good faith.

I was once a backer, too, but after month 9ish of no update, it became clear they weren't focusing enough on the game to warrant my pledge. Just excuse after excuse after excuse for 2+ years now.

Good on you, friend.
 

shazba jnr

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Based on their progress to get to .6, I began supporting them on Patreon as they began prepping for .7. I wasn't thrilled about orc love (tiefling love perhaps, but not orc love), but I wagered that they would move through .7 at a comparable pace to .5 > .6, and I would soon be rewarded with .8 content. Today, I finally said enough was enough and withdrew my Patreon support. Say what you will about my hanging on too long, but hindsight is 20-20, plus it wasn't doing irreparable harm to my bank account to try to support them. Unfortunately for the developers, the world has changed a lot in the last two years. Creating a model that would allow AI to approximate if not replicate the WaL artwork is getting easier each day. Likewise, the number of people willing to pay for hand-drawn, bespoke art in their games is diminishing. Their sweet spot for completing the entire game is likely behind them, but ending the game with .7 is going to feel to their supporters as abrupt a head-on collision at 120 mph. I do not envy their plight, but I cannot support them strictly out of pity. There are too many competing opportunities in my life for charitable giving.
Hey, some would say 'better late than never' in regards to you pulling your pledge, but honestly you've shown a lot of guts by admitting this, and admitting that maybe the Devs aren't doing this project in good faith.

I was once a backer, too, but after month 9ish of no update, it became clear they weren't focusing enough on the game to warrant my pledge. Just excuse after excuse after excuse for 2+ years now.

Good on you, friend.
I can understand the mentality of "It'll surely be soon..." and each to their own when they decide that enough is enough.

I think some patrons are ok with it because they actually asked for larger updates, which means longer update periods, but from what I've read, this episode is going to be about as long as the last one (which was a few hours of story, so that's fine), but they've more than doubled the delivery time of the last episode, so yeah...

From what I understand, this game is their full time employment. Hard to believe you'd stake your family-of-four's finances on a quaint little porn game, and it's not like it's making a fortune (like a few other games around here). So you'd think this would have to be a priority, unless they've started earning elsewhere, which would actually make a lot of sense (and be a sensible move on their part).

But they clearly aren't phased, there's been pressure on them for a while and they just keep saying it'll be ready when it's ready.
 

Geegee112

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Just reading these last few pages has me shook. I was honestly thinking they were pushing through and COMPLETING the ENTIRE GAME, and that's why its taking so long. Your telling me its been a year for an update only a few hours long at that and not the rest of the game??!!

I shall probably forgive them once post nut clarity hits me after the orc lady drops but I am still miffed and baffled by this whole situation. Would love to see a day in the life of this Developer.
 

Abaddon Doom

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This baby is being born! Embrace Gomira in all her Orcish femininity...including FUTA! [Dreams From Another Dimension]...but probably not, given the male protagonist in question.
 
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Damn, no ork girl yet (by the time I finished my text they deliver the update).

Unfortunately for the developers, the world has changed a lot in the last two years. Creating a model that would allow AI to approximate if not replicate the WaL artwork is getting easier each day. Likewise, the number of people willing to pay for hand-drawn, bespoke art in their games is diminishing. Their sweet spot for completing the entire game is likely behind them, but ending the game with .7 is going to feel to their supporters as abrupt a head-on collision at 120 mph.
I actually like these porn games because of how indie and human they are. Not all games, mind you, I'm a nitpicker. Porn without a rich story is so boring and soulless, one could jerk to the AI porn pics. It's meaningless, it's a pure mechanics, it's fucking animalistic.

I don't like to be a fucking animal to the fucking TNCs and their plays with society. And here is a thing about these porn games. Let's imagine a developer who actually works on the whole game. Not just a porn project ("- Hey, can you do a rule 34 art on this one character? - Yes, I can. Hmm, there is the RenPy engine, what if I'd do some kind of rule 34-project for the Patreon, it'd be like a full-time job!"), but the game as it should be - with story, soundwork and shit. And only after 1.0 they deliver updates and DLCs. This imaginary developer would understand what reasonable is, what kind of project they could do in what time boundaries. They wouldn't wobble to the left and right asking community what they'd like to see in a next update. They would just do their game as they see fit. And they would proudly say "No fucking AI art used for this game. Because we can do it ourselves!". Those guys would be heroes.

I totally believe it is possible - that guy did Stardew Valley by himself. That was some time ago. And this two has the opportunities of being the team, the Patreon, the whole community of other devs who might have wanted to join their project.
I'm fucking slow at typing in English, I forgot what I had to say, so I'll try to wrap it already.
I believe that a 'strictly non-AI game' is a thing a dev can exploit. People like me would love to try this kind of a game, IF it meets the requirements to be a game. And if it isn't a Patreon project. I also believe it could be some kind of a statement against modern world. Like, yes, we do a game with hand-drawn graphics and with porn.

There is nothing wrong with the Patreon itself, but you have to deliver a whole product, not the chunk of it. I used to back the Innocent Witches dev, and it was some 4-5 years ago, I guess. I backed it only 1$ for 4 months, which makes it 4$ total, then I realised - where it all leads to? Should I support them further for just a monthly updates? What a total sum would be? Some 50$ for a game, maybe more (I was thinking then)? That is not right, there are better ways to spend my money than for some game I don't quite like. That was the last time I backed a game on Patreon.

As for WaL, there are so many flaws game-wise, I did mentioned them before. I don't play indie games or modern games at all, just the same few favorites for years. And I was so excited when I discovered this game, but I lost my interest in the story after they intoduced the old hag. I'm so old-fashioned that I was fucking disgusted just by the thought why would a relatively young pair do a game about fucking an old woman? So I came here today to check whether the Ork is out to check the art, nothing more. I'm disgusted by their game. No update, so all that's left is to entertain yourself in the comment section.
It is also possible the WaL devs will use AI themselves. There is nothing left that would be 'beyond' for them.

Speaking of the indie porn games widely, I also would like to mention My Dystopian Robot Girlfriend. It is another game I was so excited about. It is crude (which is kind of interesting, like a statement against the game industry itself), has a lot of placeholder art, but it has the story so engaging, and lots of music! Unfortunately, the dev still can't deliver the whole game. Instead, they decided to stretch the production, doing stuff that is not crucial to the plot.
So this whole situation kind of dissapoints me.

The only promising game project I've seen so far is Hooked. I'm not here to promote this game, I'm sceptical about the capability of it's creator to actually finish the project, but at least it has a reasonable plot design. There is no magical world full of characters, and the whole plot fits in the summary ('A guy starting a porn career with three girls'). Everything that is beyond this summary could be the fucking updates and DLCs every other devs seem to be after about.
Conciseness as well as to be reasonable about your capabilities as an author are the feats themselves.

Damn this is a huge text, I apologise for this. There are times I want to spill my thoughts out.
 

nitram5

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In my opinion, they should make the game available in its current form, and only point out that it is a version with bugs, and everyone plays at their own risk.
 
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