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walker188

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I'll pitch in my 2 cents about the status of this game. Like many, I too am annoyed at the long development time and what some days feels like a BS progress bar.

So here is how I see things. They had some pretty good excuses (a second child and a surgery, a few months after each other) and I honestly believe that they didn't work on the game for a few months or if they did, it was minimal. Now, I can understand why that would stall the progress ( a child in your life is no small feat, it requires constant attention). If they should have paused their page during that time is a different discussion.

Now, they promised that the next update will be coming faster since they managed to stabilize things in their lives. I guess we shall see how long it takes for the next update in order to judge if they are milking the game or not. Since the next girl is Holly and she already has a lot of content in the game, not to mention her quest is already started, I except it to take a few months (say 6 or 7) at most. If it takes longer than that, I wish the devs good luck because I sure as shit will never donate a buck for their game.
For most of us, the delay isn't the main issue. It's the obvious lies.

They have CLEARLY not been working on the game, but telling us otherwise. It's one thing to pause a project and they could have either; A paused Patreon payments, or B explained the need the income and let supporters make their own decisions. They CHOSE to do neither.

Further, I've only seen one or two developers who slow down a project to this extend and then step back up to a reasonable dev cycle. And both of them were extremely honest, transparent and open with their processes. Meanwhile there's so many stories like theirs among developers milking dead projects that it is killing the entire genre/industry.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but I won't be. And certainly not by these two.
 

Gregor909

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I'm guessing you haven't been following the posts here. The devs are still working on the game, but it's been long enough since the last update to meet F95's criterion for "abandoned". But the devs have just announced that they plan to have the next update out in November.
22 or 23 centuries? what is most surprising is that it will be a hotfix with text correction and a couple of phrases) or shit, instead of chocolate. with which they will smear all those who supported them
 
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moskyx

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For most of us, the delay isn't the main issue. It's the obvious lies.

They have CLEARLY not been working on the game, but telling us otherwise. It's one thing to pause a project and they could have either; A paused Patreon payments, or B explained the need the income and let supporters make their own decisions. They CHOSE to do neither.
But they chose B. The only reason we know about the newborn, the surgeries, the lesser time devoted to development, the slower pace of that development and so on is because devs openly and immediately told their patrons so that they could make their own decisions. Not to mention they have been refunding those who contacted them because they were unhappy with the update's slow progress. All in all, they've taken a roughly 20-25% cut on their monthly family income, something we know because, again, they openly show their income on their Patreon page so that patrons can make their own decisions. Then it's every patron's prerrogative (not) to make the same decisions you'd have made if in their shoes.
 

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But they chose B. The only reason we know about the newborn, the surgeries, the lesser time devoted to development, the slower pace of that development and so on is because devs openly and immediately told their patrons so that they could make their own decisions. Not to mention they have been refunding those who contacted them because they were unhappy with the update's slow progress. All in all, they've taken a roughly 20-25% cut on their monthly family income, something we know because, again, they openly show their income on their Patreon page so that patrons can make their own decisions. Then it's every patron's prerrogative (not) to make the same decisions you'd have made if in their shoes.
more details. and where does it say that this is true? come up with any excuse, such as a broken arm or family circumstances adding a couple of drawn photos, congratulations, you’ve come up with a good excuse, any judge will be on your side
 

moskyx

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more details. and where does it say that this is true? come up with any excuse, such as a broken arm or family circumstances adding a couple of drawn photos, congratulations, you’ve come up with a good excuse, any judge will be on your side
None of us can't possibly know whether what they say it's true, which doesn't automatically mean it's false. We just don't know (btw, any judge will ask you to prove they are lying, not the other way round). The point is that devs specifically told their patrons that this update would take longer because they had some issues and still needed the money so that everyone could make their own decisions. And that's exactly one of the two options the other guy claimed they should have considered but never did. So that's a false claim, and this time everyone of us can easily check that what this guy said is false.
 
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Several months ago, i was having an internal wager if Summertime Saga was going to get its abandoned tag before this updated.

Well, it did, and then they released a half-assed update to remove the tag, but that's another topic

Now, as this creeps closer to being done, when that day does come, I guess my next internal wager is how big of a dumpster fire this thread will become over "OMG, 2 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT?!"

Regardless of big of an update it might be.
 

DemiMaximoff

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This is the most frustrating thing with their progress tracker. 14 tasks outstanding for the debug step. They've completed 3 tasks and theirs now 14 tasks outstanding.
For all their other updates the polish phase usually took 2 to 4 weeks with a week or 2 of play testing after that.
According to the yellow logo dude, they put whatever they have been doing since they announced the polishing phase as "polish". They may be fixing a few typos, or redrawing entire images, or redoing an entire scene. It's all polish
 

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According to the yellow logo dude, they put whatever they have been doing since they announced the polishing phase as "polish". They may be fixing a few typos, or redrawing entire images, or redoing an entire scene. It's all polish

What they say they've been doing for the last 5 months:


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What they've actually been doing for the last 5 months:


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Nah, I'm kidding, we all know they've been working hard for over 2 years to bring the best damn episode this game has ever seen! :whistle:
 
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Now, as this creeps closer to being done, when that day does come, I guess my next internal wager is how big of a dumpster fire this thread will become over "OMG, 2 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT?!"
Many people just skip everything for the NSFW stuff anyway or expect someone to provide them with a full save game and just look at the gallery.
 

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Seeing as i am usually just lurking around in here, this seems like a good time to actually throw in my 2 cents and make my own post.

It seems that most posts are rather one-sided in their perspective, so i will try to see things from both sides.
As far as i remember i first backed the Magic Nuts patreon around winter 2021/2022. Not too sure, but the first version i played was 0.5 (1st Main story update), released Sep. 2021. I initially backed at the Friend tier, which i upgraded to Close Friend after completing my first run. I subscribed till July when 0.6 (Rose update) was released and where i upgraded to Best Friend tier, in order to maximize voting power. I remained at Best Friend tier for a few months, then dropped back down to Close Friend, having no need of the voting power, but still wanting to back a great and rather unique AVN.

At this point in time we are at late 2022. This is when things really slowed down and after, hmmm, maybe 8 months or something like that, i stopped backing due to the lack of progress. Still kept tabs on the developement because i liked what i had played so far, but it became increasingly demotivating as time went on.

Here are the release dates and dev-time, just to make things convenient for whoever reads this behemoth of a post.
0.2 : June 28. 2020
0.3 : September 20. 2020 (apx. 3 months)
0.4 : February 13. 2021 (apx. 4,5 months)
0.5 : September 24. 2021 (apx. 7 months)
0.6 : July 30. 2022 (apx. 10 months)
0.7 : Reasonable guess is mid November. (2 years and 3-4 months)

OK, with that out of the way, the positives.
- WAL! was never ever going to be in the camp of AVN's with a good pace of developement. The high quality hand drawn 2D art with plenty of clothing and posing variations was always going to be in the way of fast developement. Even at full and nearly full effeciency WAL! was never gonna be able to keep up with the average DAZ/KK/HS developer.
- That said, before they started work on version 0.7, the update rate was reasonable. Sure, 0.6 with its 10 month developement is where things usually starts getting sketchy with AVN's. But i can tell you the content was great and there was a good amount of new locations that all needed new art assets.
- The excuses the Nuts have given are valid, to an extend. First and foremost, a second child. The first 6-12 months of any childs life is especially taxing for all parents. To keep things simple, lets just make the assumption that the Nuts productivity was reduced by 50% for 8 months. This is essentially their way of taking maternity/paternity leave as self-employed people.
On top of that, one of them had some kind of issue with a bone fracture that hadn't healed properly and needed some fairly extensive surgery. And after that, some time to recover, likely a few months. And since this surgery business happened around the same time as the childs first months, i wouldn't be surprised if they had at least 1 month with basically no work done.
Lets say these 2 factors averages out at 50% productivity for a full year. Even then, it will take some time to get back to 100%, a toddler is only slightly less of a burden than an infant.
- 0.7 might in fact turn out to have more and/or better quality content than 0.6. But honestly i doubt it.

The negatives.
Ok, so based on the above, you might get the impression that i consider the devtime of 2,3 years fully justified. I don't.
The number of tasks keeps increasing in tiny amounts with almost every progress update and this has been the case for at least half a year. This period of time could fittingly be called Polish-hell. Some of you are probably familiar with the Miyamoto quote: "A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad". Most of us can easily name at least 1 AAA game that could have been far better with just a few more months spent in developement. The rushing of AAA titles became common in the '10s and for this reason it is a lesson that many in the game industry could benefit from. Few studious have.
As for the AVN sphere, i have slowly gotten the impression that this quote is being taken too far, to the point that its getting destructive and not constructive. I think there is a large number of AVN's who finds themselves stuck in a bubble of yes-men, insulating them from trolls but also valid critics. Some of these AVN developers are straight up bad at planning things from the beginning. Some get lazy and complecent at a lack of scrutiny. Then there's the greedy ones, the real milkers who realize they can legally scam people out of their money and embraces the art of delaying and stretching developement for profit.

I think the Nuts belong in a forth more benevolent group. Broadly speaking i consider them "unrestrained perfectionists". If you read through a number of their Patreon posts you quickly realize that they care a lot about fixing even minor percieved flaws in already completed content. And this is likely why we have had this polish-hell since March. They keep finding things that juuuuuust has to be fixed, even if the fixes barely increases the overall quality. This is likely what will make or break WAL! in the long run. They have to rein in their perfectionism before it eats them up from inside.

Going forward.
Well, i will resubsribe in order to get voting for when the focus of 0.9 is to be decided.
I will play 0.7. Actually, i will play the entire thing from beginning to end, when i get around to it.
I will judge if the devtime minus the valid excuses is fair, in relation to released content.
I will unsub most of the time until 0.8 is released. If devtime goes back down to 7-10 months, they will regain my trust and i will sub most of the time.
You have mostly summed up my feelings about this game, and the problem with 0.7
 
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