What happened to constructive criticism?

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uradamus

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It's not a game piracy site, it's an adult game and comics forum where piracy happens to take place. Its focus is up to the users who decide to come here and put in their time and effort into it. For some that's piracy, for others it's discussing a wide variety of topics related to adult games and comics, including things related to their creation. If you don't like that aspect of the site and only want to pirate, then feel free to stick to the sub-forums dedicated to that purpose. No need to get your panties in a twist every time people want to engage in a civil discussion about something other than pirating.
 

Gomly1980

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It's not a game piracy site, it's an adult game and comics forum where piracy happens to take place. Its focus is up to the users who decide to come here and put in their time and effort into it. For some that's piracy, for others it's discussing a wide variety of topics related to adult games and comics, including things related to their creation. If you don't like that aspect of the site and only want to pirate, then feel free to stick to the sub-forums dedicated to that purpose. No need to get your panties in a twist every time people want to engage in a civil discussion about something other than pirating.
It's focus IS piracy.

Also this is a piracy site. Just ignore any people who "warn" you. If anything happens just contact me. I don't want to see people deleting their own threads here again because a creator "warned" them.
 

uradamus

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Sites like hddgames, igg-games, etc are game pirating sites. That is to say sites that are pretty much exclusively game download listings. This site has far more scope than just game pirating, even though that is a major part of it. This is a community forum for pretty much all things related to adult games, comics, mods and cheats as can clearly be seen in the site's own logo at the top of every page here, not just the pirating of those things. Also your quote of Bloo is clearly addressing an old unrelated problem with a far different context than this discussion, where he's clearly saying its a piracy site to emphasize the point that uploaders aren't beholden to creator demands here.
 
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I would tend to agree that my impression is this is an adult gaming site that has pirated versions of games available. There is a lot more being discussed here than just what's the latest version of a game, where can I get it, and is it any good. That's part of what's here, but not the sum total of what's here. I think the homepage is a good indicator of this. If this was merely a piracy site, the homepage would just be a bunch of links to the latest pirate releases of games. Go look at fap-nation.com if you want to see a piracy site for adult games.

As I already said, I think expecting anything of a random person on the internet is asking too much. I would describe myself as a cynic and that's my general approach to life. Basically, it's a matter of tempering your expectations. If your base level expectation is that you'll get nothing from the people playing your game, then you don't get mad when that's exactly what you get. When someone does provide some useful feedback, they've exceeded your expectations and you should be glad of it. If your base level expectation is that everyone should provide 300 words or more on what they think of your game, you're gonna have a bad time. I'm not trying to recruit people to the cult of cynicism, but it works for me.
 

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Sites like hddgames, igg-games, etc are game pirating sites. That is to say sites that are pretty much exclusively game download listings. This site has far more scope than just game pirating, even though that is a major part of it. This is a community forum for pretty much all things related to adult games, comics, mods and cheats as can clearly be seen in the site's own logo at the top of every page here, not just the pirating of those things. Also your quote of Bloo is clearly addressing an old unrelated problem with a far different context than this discussion, where he's clearly saying its a piracy site to emphasize the point that uploaders aren't beholden to creator demands here.
You do whatever mental gymnastics you need to justify it.

No matter how you word it, it's a piracy site. That's why it was started after the last site was shut down, that's why the last site was shut down and it's why we're here.
 
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GuyFreely

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You do whatever mental gymnastics you need to justify it.

No matter how you word it, it's a piracy site. That's why it was started after the last site was shut down, that's why the last site was shut down and it's why we're here.
Says the guy replying to a post discussing the nature of player feedback to a game. Do you see these discussions on most piracy sites? Does this site have piracy? Absolutely. Is it a piracy site? ehhhhh. Is McDonald's a coffee shop because they have coffee and breakfast?
 
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Gomly1980

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Says the guy replying to a post discussing the nature of player feedback to a game. Do you see these discussions on most piracy sites? Does this site have piracy? Absolutely. Is it a piracy site? ehhhhh. Is McDonald's a coffee shop because they have coffee and breakfast?
I'll say it one more time ... it was started as a piracy site after the last site ran by these guys was DMCA'd.

Discussions going on is irrelevant to the purpose of the site.
 

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This seems like another in a long line of special exceptions people want from this site based on their own needs/wants.

"Sure it's a game piracy site," but people should pay for their Daz3D models (because for some reason 3D modelers need to eat but game devs don't)!

"Sure it's a game piracy site," but people should fund MY game! (assuming you're ignoring all the other games on the site also being pirated. I've got no special beef with people annoyed by the sheer fact of piracy).

"Sure it's a game piracy site," but why are they asking for walkthroughs/save files?

"Sure it's a game piracy site," but why did the dev behind some game decide to include a fetish I don't like?

Well, now it's: "Sure it's a game piracy site," but why aren't all forumgoers painstakingly going through each game they play and giving a detailed review with constructive, carefully worded professional advice for the dev?

Answer: because it's first and foremost a video game piracy site. Sometimes people also decide to fund your game. Sometimes people buy rather than steal a Daz3D model. Sometimes they provide walkthroughs/saves. Sometimes they give good constructive feedback. But nobody's dropping the ball if they just download a game, try it, then say it sucked and go try to find something they like better. Because that is what the fucking site is for!
This is not only piracy site but is also a platform for advertising adult games, I for one arrived here from buying Dual Family from GameJolt, this is where I tested the waters before diving into adult gaming market.

This is not primarily a piracy site. Piratebay and Kickass-torrents are piracy sites. This is a forum that happens to be tavern for piracy. @GuyFreely pretty much nailed it.

Is McDonald's a coffee shop because they have coffee and breakfast?
 

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My humble opinion, after having been on some threads for a little while, is that in general the average user doesn't care about anything but his/her own self-enjoyment. And that egoistic attitude transpires not only through unconstructive criticism, but through the even more annoying and more spread custom of posting questions that have clear and repeated answers throughout the thread and that sometimes are even answered in the OP. Why do people do that? Because they want immediate response to their problem without having to search, so that they can go back to their business as soon as possible. And the same self-centered attitude is seen in criticism. They don't critique because they want to improve the game, they critique most of the time because they can't accept that a game could be catered to people other than them.
Thus the "why RPGM", "why cuckhold/NTR", "why the scene goes this way and not the other" kind of comments the net is full of. It's pretty clear that the answer to this questions is that some people like different things, but those comments and their variants keep piling up because people need to project themselves and their tastes onto everything.
And the reason for this attitude is usually that those users get the product for free (we're on this forum for this reason, after all) and so don't reflect on the fact that it's them who should filter content based on their tastes and not devs who should cater necessarily to them. If they had to pay for the games, they wouldn't ever bother to buy, play and comment on an NTR game if they're not into it. But for some reason if it's free they go for it and then complain that the game is unplayable because of the genre.
A lot of people feel entitled, they think that they hold some kind of right on the dev's time and toil, they think they can tell devs what to do, how to do it and for whom, as if being a porn game developer was some kind of holy office meant to be carried out for free in service of the community.
And since they feel entitled and care only about themselves they often comment without providing valuable feedback, because those comments aren't actually for the dev to improve the game, but for them to vent their anger at a game that fails to fullfill their egotistical expectations. They are offended that someone is trying to waste their time, even though they don't pay anything for the game and could just filter it out.
 
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Speaking of criticism... I have created a beginning chapter of a VN I want to pursue. Would anyone be willing to look it over? It is very preliminary, with no branching or sex or 'your name here page' or intro page yet. I sent it to 3 friends to ask their opinion. Two never opened it and the third said 'terrible, LOL'. When pressed, he said he could not remember who was who (there are only 3 people so far), so I created a new intro section up front.

None of them read VNs, so wrong choice of critics. You all are more used to the rhythm / pace of a VN and that is where my most insecurity lies, do I transition pictures okay, or do I need less info before a new picture. I would appreciate any feedback but I would prefer to ask individually. I am afraid to post a DL link in the forums because I am not prepared to work on this and produce things monthly. I have miles to go before I am ready to throw it out to the world (for instance I need to learn how to do Daz animations, plus I start a new job in two weeks - yay! I will be able to pay my bills again!).

Thanks :)
 

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Speaking of criticism... I have created a beginning chapter of a VN I want to pursue. Would anyone be willing to look it over? It is very preliminary, with no branching or sex or 'your name here page' or intro page yet. I sent it to 3 friends to ask their opinion. Two never opened it and the third said 'terrible, LOL'. When pressed, he said he could not remember who was who (there are only 3 people so far), so I created a new intro section up front.

None of them read VNs, so wrong choice of critics. You all are more used to the rhythm / pace of a VN and that is where my most insecurity lies, do I transition pictures okay, or do I need less info before a new picture. I would appreciate any feedback but I would prefer to ask individually. I am afraid to post a DL link in the forums because I am not prepared to work on this and produce things monthly. I have miles to go before I am ready to throw it out to the world (for instance I need to learn how to do Daz animations, plus I start a new job in two weeks - yay! I will be able to pay my bills again!).

Thanks :)
If you haven't already, try asking at & the discord server.

On a related note to constructive criticism, I am trying to find a list of people who give many constructive feedback in reviews albeit fairly low standard. Feel free to comment there if you know any.
 

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In regards to the OP, most people simply don't think. They have an emotional response and have no idea the reasons why (or the desire to find out why) and just puke it out. That's all those really short posts are about. Stuff like, "this is dumb" or "I don't like it."

Constructive criticism does exist, but it's rare, because many people that do have the capability to articulate their opinions and emotions properly aren't going to spend the time to fully explain it. Because this is the internet. Almost no one cares about anyone's opinion but their own, and if you say something that isn't praise, it's generally taken as a troll. Or the person just gets butthurt because they don't actually care about bettering themselves as an artist/person/whatever, they just want praise.
So really, why even bother creating an in-depth critique full of constructive criticism when it's very likely going to be ignored? Personally, I'm always happy to help out someone who wants to better themselves. Given I have experience that I can share. So I sometimes give constructive criticism, but only sometimes. Only if the person seems actually open to it, or is asking for it.

As for the piracy site thing, I really don't think this is a site about piracy. There's certainly a lot of it here, but there's also a lot of stuff that isn't pirated. A lot of games use the site as a way to release and garner and audience, which you really can't do on piracy sites. I've found more little known free games here than I have anywhere else. This site is more about a certain type of thing, that happens to have a lot of piracy. Fighting it would just lead to the death of the community.
 

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I see so many posts on games that just blast the Dev for their renders or their story or whatever but they do not provide anything useful. What is the purpose of that? I do not get it. If there is no one out there making a game you want to see, then make one yourself. I, for one, do not have the time or ability to make a game so I enjoy what other people are putting their time into. Admittedly, I have put a negative comment on a game for a Dev who likes to abandon games. It was not an attack on the games he makes, just his penchant to move on to a new game when he gets bored. This is pretty much just a venting post but after seeing all the hate on a daily basis, I needed to get it out.
Because bad games derserve to be called bad. That's like saying "Oh you don't like Gods Of Egypt? Then go make your own movie"

Positive opinons are not worth more than negative ones. If some says I don't like the game, because your renders look like breadcrumbs, then it's a legitimate opinon. Just like it's legitimate, that people like games that live purely on visuals like ICstor games, or big brother.
 
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I see so many posts on games that just blast the Dev for their renders or their story or whatever but they do not provide anything useful. What is the purpose of that? I do not get it. If there is no one out there making a game you want to see, then make one yourself. I, for one, do not have the time or ability to make a game so I enjoy what other people are putting their time into. Admittedly, I have put a negative comment on a game for a Dev who likes to abandon games. It was not an attack on the games he makes, just his penchant to move on to a new game when he gets bored. This is pretty much just a venting post but after seeing all the hate on a daily basis, I needed to get it out.
It's a

One that a lot of people seem to receive when they start posting...
 
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Look at the first post on RTP forum page...

It's nothing, not criticism nor advice of any kind. What is actually more of a surprise is how many liked that comment.
That may be even worse. Just going to throw one word out there with zero context.
 
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What really gets to me is when there is some kind of particular fetish there is always some person posting why they won't play it because of it.
"Hey, this game features a man involuntarily transform to a girl so I'm not playing this." Like, wow, it's almost like this game's fetishes wasn't tailored to suit your particular tastes. What a shocker!
I mean, even if you are posting it in a respectful manner, it's still just such an inane and useless comment. "This fetish doesn't turn me on!" ok... what can I or the dev use that information for? Why should I care? Are you so histrionic that you feel the need to comment on every thing?
This ^. I seriously don't get why people hop on threads to just bash a game because it doesn't suit their preferences. For example, I don't like games with male protagonists if I see the male protagonist tag rather than posting a complaint I just move on and keep looking. It's not that hard. It's one thing if your complaints are valid but complaining about a game not meeting your preferences is just being a dick.
 

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I think Reviews/Ratings mostly work.

Their purpose is not about "Constructive Criticism" it is about Evaluation, Judgement.
To separate the wheat from the chaff.
As such it is not surprising that they will evaluate something as Garbage, Trash, a Piece of Fucking Shit.
And you need a lot of reviews like that to get an accurate picture based on the average.

If things didn't work that way then how would the gems that truly really shine crop up out of the 90% pile of shit?

In fact I think most games here are overrated and I prefer a Thumbs Up/Thumbs Down system like Steam that is more accurate on the average.
5 Star Systems tend to have a positive bias for mediocre games.