MissCougar
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Flooding people out was just too easy. There were bots that could do it. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
What has happened to adult games?
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The trouble with threads like this, in my opinion, is that the VN fans often respond as though they have no conception of what gameplay is; or, if they do admit they know what gameplay is, have no idea why it might be in a porn game in the first place. The linked thread addressed a similar complaint, that there aren't good porn games being produced now, but without that crucial piece that gameplay particularly is missing in indie porn games.
To be fair to the community, once Ren'py was standardized as the primary game engine about a decade ago (after the main indie porn game engines were some combination of Flash and RAGS and RPGMaker, which were much more amenable to gameplay styles beyond 'pick one of three choices on the screen'), the variability in gameplay in porn games went way down, so I don't really think it's new that the vast majority of porn games have had little to no gameplay beyond what's found in traditional VNs.
But I, like the OP, often enjoy games with gameplay in them. There's Mystwood Manor (complete, but gameplay is indeed central to it), there's Loser, there's World After War, there's Peasant's Quest, there's Straitened Times, and there's a bunch of older games that have deeper gameplay as well. I happen to really enjoy Brave Soul and Cobra Mission as games, in addition to as porn games.
So, while I wouldn't say it's a new problem, I think this idea that in video games porn must be separate from romance which must also be separate from deep gameplay is just...bad.
To be fair to the community, once Ren'py was standardized as the primary game engine about a decade ago (after the main indie porn game engines were some combination of Flash and RAGS and RPGMaker, which were much more amenable to gameplay styles beyond 'pick one of three choices on the screen'), the variability in gameplay in porn games went way down, so I don't really think it's new that the vast majority of porn games have had little to no gameplay beyond what's found in traditional VNs.
But I, like the OP, often enjoy games with gameplay in them. There's Mystwood Manor (complete, but gameplay is indeed central to it), there's Loser, there's World After War, there's Peasant's Quest, there's Straitened Times, and there's a bunch of older games that have deeper gameplay as well. I happen to really enjoy Brave Soul and Cobra Mission as games, in addition to as porn games.
So, while I wouldn't say it's a new problem, I think this idea that in video games porn must be separate from romance which must also be separate from deep gameplay is just...bad.
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Or, perhaps are they understanding games more than you, knowing perfectly that the important point in a game is the entertainment you get from it. Considering then that the gameplay is secondary and that even the most basic game mechanism can provide hours of entertainment.
But what do I know? I'm just a 53yo guy who grown in parallel of video games and played them all his life...
What you know is what you like, and what I and OP know is what we like. People who aren't particularly entertained by most traditional VNs might still like porn games, and the things we like in porn games might include gameplay not traditionally found in VNs. I'm not sure why VN enthusiasts seem to perceive a desire for deeper gameplay in porn games to be some kind of attack or insult to their preferred games, but it's not.
I want something different than you do, and there's devs enough out there for all of us to enjoy indie porn games, provided that the games they make are diverse enough for each of us to have a decent number of games that cater to our interests.
OkThanksBye
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I apologise if someone already said this or something similar alreasy, i haven't read anything but the first comment from op
This is just my opinion, i'm not trying to debate or anything, it's just how i personally see it
It is and will be an issue for everything imo
Before the internet only a few people were "allowed" to voice their opinions and ideas, with the internet the possibility raised drastically, to the point where basically everyone can share something, including all or lots of the ideas bottled up offline until they were able to tell others about them
We're in the "golden age" (meant as the one with the most likely best ideas) of creativity, be it books, movies, series, games or whatever, because more people have more ideas and the internet gives the opportunity for everyone to share them, but after a while there is only so much you can do if you want to be original, making something that was never made before will be harder and harder because we're all different but what we see and come across with is generally similar, what we think and create is also based on what we experience (like another game for example) so there will be influence from others
That is completely fine, but good, quality products will get more and more scarce, there is one way to make it easier to make something good though: passion
If you truly put your all into something, that something will be special, unless it's a copy, you can do as much as you want, copies will almost always be awful
Brief example:
I watched a series recently (from) which is very similar in style to a mix between another famous series (lost) and part of a famous anime (attack on titan, only before opening the door though)
The series is insane, it might be me but i love it, i can't wait for it to continue, and even though it's similar to other series it's still different, the actors are great, the story is great and handled beautifully, the setting is amazing etc... Not everyone will agree with me, but even if it's basically a mix it's still really good, with passion there is a chance to create something great, but without it, good luck, having an original idea in a few years will be almost impossible
Also because: people liked "x"? Ok i'll make "x" v2 or "x 2.0", because that's what makes them money, so most of the stuff we get is either low quality or a clone, because they want to make money, not good products
TL;DR: it's normal, don't worry too much about ir
This is just my opinion, i'm not trying to debate or anything, it's just how i personally see it
It is and will be an issue for everything imo
Before the internet only a few people were "allowed" to voice their opinions and ideas, with the internet the possibility raised drastically, to the point where basically everyone can share something, including all or lots of the ideas bottled up offline until they were able to tell others about them
We're in the "golden age" (meant as the one with the most likely best ideas) of creativity, be it books, movies, series, games or whatever, because more people have more ideas and the internet gives the opportunity for everyone to share them, but after a while there is only so much you can do if you want to be original, making something that was never made before will be harder and harder because we're all different but what we see and come across with is generally similar, what we think and create is also based on what we experience (like another game for example) so there will be influence from others
That is completely fine, but good, quality products will get more and more scarce, there is one way to make it easier to make something good though: passion
If you truly put your all into something, that something will be special, unless it's a copy, you can do as much as you want, copies will almost always be awful
Brief example:
I watched a series recently (from) which is very similar in style to a mix between another famous series (lost) and part of a famous anime (attack on titan, only before opening the door though)
The series is insane, it might be me but i love it, i can't wait for it to continue, and even though it's similar to other series it's still different, the actors are great, the story is great and handled beautifully, the setting is amazing etc... Not everyone will agree with me, but even if it's basically a mix it's still really good, with passion there is a chance to create something great, but without it, good luck, having an original idea in a few years will be almost impossible
Also because: people liked "x"? Ok i'll make "x" v2 or "x 2.0", because that's what makes them money, so most of the stuff we get is either low quality or a clone, because they want to make money, not good products
TL;DR: it's normal, don't worry too much about ir
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And, as I relatively explicitly said by pointing the fact that I'm 53yo and played all my life, at all step of video games history, I know and like all the kind of games. From basic games to 3D realtime FPS, passing by point'n'click, platformer, Kill'm'All, and so on. And this whatever the difficulty level can be; but I guess that you never had to deal with 3 life games without save system, and so don't know what "actually hard" can even mean when it come to video games.
There's strictly nothing in what I wrote that is saying the opposite.
Can you stop assuming and actually answer to what I said?
I am not a "VN enthusiast", nor have I felt attacked, or insulted, by what you said. I just told you that there's a third point that you were obviously discarding. And, unlike you, I did it without trying to invalidate your own point of view...
So you want Kinetic Novels, noted...
Oh, wait, no... You were just, once again, assuming what I want. Basing this assumption not on what I said, but on the sole fact that I dared to complete your own claim. Something that you clearly seen as being an attack against you.
Say the guy who tried, twice, to belittle VN players...
suprisedcrankyface
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So is that two, or four? Or is the quest to find out
Just imagine what a big studio with the same employees of Illusion in 2008 (200 people) can do with the AI where you can just order an image to make a sex scene or strip without bothering to animate. There are many projects with 1-5 people in their free time and they are very good for being done by few people in free time.
I see no issues with non adult gaming. Maybe big companies don't dare to experiment unlike the past but Indie companies are in bigger numbers and they took the risk to experiment new types of gameplay that bigger companies would later exploit.
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And at some point, the novelty of AI chat will wear off and it will have the same effect on you as the "games that haven't been doing it" for you. That's what happens. You change - what once was new and exciting becomes old and boring because your brain becomes conditioned to the content if you saturate yourself enough in it and, eventually, you seek another something new that will hold your attention until it no longer does.