What type of character would you want to be in a fantasy game?

[kytee]

And to spell it out again in case it wasn't clear from my previous post: given the site we're on a "story" or "characters" isn't enough. If you want to go that route scratch the sex so you can reach a wider audience with the content you are actually interested in.

But porn games also need to deliver sex content which tends to be very subjective. Since the werewolves engage in violent rape anyway will you indulge the NTR fans because that is "less bad", even if you drive away the NTR haters? Will you do bestiality-like scenes with the werewolves or do they have suspiciously human genitals? Can mages use a shiny black latex outfit to perform their "rituals" or do you reduce that particular mechanic to a pentagram with a stat number because you simply aren't into BDSM?

How much time do you invest into sex scenes, renders, making characters "sexy" in general and integrating all of that into your story and worldbuilding, even at the direct detriment to those aspects? Ruins Seeker is a great game ...IF you completely ignore that it has Game Over Rape. All the time and effort they spent on that would have been much better invested in expanding the main storyline with more cutscenes, further building the relationship between the two main characters, or maybe adding another end-/postgame dungeon with cool and unique scenery seeing how great some of the existing ones are.

It sounds to me a bit like you think the two (story and sex) can only be mutually exclusive or one comes at the cost of the other, which I highly disagree with. You can do both well and they play very well off each other, hence why the adult visual novel industry exists at all. You have one end of the spectrum with emotionless, visceral sex and the other end with great emotion-filled storytelling but no sex. Adult visual novels cover that in between where people can experience those emotional, passionate sex scenes. Tell me another medium where you can get that girlfriend experience with the sex.

 

[Sphere42]

It sounds to me a bit like you think the two (story and sex) can only be mutually exclusive or one comes at the cost of the other, which I highly disagree with. You can do both well and they play very well off each other, hence why the adult visual novel industry exists at all. You have one end of the spectrum with emotionless, visceral sex and the other end with great emotion-filled storytelling but no sex. Adult visual novels cover that in between where people can experience those emotional, passionate sex scenes. Tell me another medium where you can get that girlfriend experience with the sex.

Oh I agree they can both be well represented in the same work, however they do compete for development time. OP seems to be a newbie dev without any partners let alone a team to allow for a proper division of responsibilities.

But my main point was that the nature of sexual content adds another degree of complexity beyond worldbuilding, characters, story, gameplay, art etc., one which is very decisive in this context. I can put up with a bland world, generic stereotyped characters, a cookie-cutter story and subpar renders if the sexual content appeals to me, but if it doesn't all those other things really need to be up to scratch because I will not be playing the game for the sex in that case. If you don't show the elf chick getting boned suddenly you're competing with Lord of the Rings for attention.

 

[Beatrix Kiddo]

I guess I don't really care as long as the setup is well done. Now that being said, I feel like being a human that somehow lands in the midst of the conflict would make for a nice little plot device and open up interesting possibilities.

 

[khumak]

I haven't really said anything about my plans for the story, just the setting. My goal is to make something that is a bit of a mix of RPG and VN with in depth story for the major characters (including major villains) and mostly just combat and sex for minor characters. I have no interest in bestiality so there will not be any animal or beast sex. Human form only. Running or fighting is basically the only thing anyone who's in beast form will ever be doing.

Also as far as the male/female balance of power, the werewolves will be fairly well dominated by the men, but that won't be the case for the vampires or mages where physical strength is far less important. So I plan on having some femdom stuff in there as well as some bondage. A female vampire will definitely be able to ragdoll any human she wants, male or female, no matter how big they are. A female mage will similarly have zero trouble doing pretty much anything she wants with any human regardless what their size or strength is (assuming she's prepared).

As for NTR, I'm normally not a fan but for an adult RPG it just makes sense as a natural consequence if you lose to a rival. So make allies to protect the women you care about, etc unless you actually want to see the big bad werewolves double teaming your human sister or whatever.

It will mostly be the evil characters from each faction who will potentially take their victims by force. The good guys will focus more on friends who are willing, seduction, deals (I do this favor for you, you agree to join my sex ritual), that sort of thing. There won't really be anyone who doesn't get their hands dirty though, other than just the innocent bystanders.

 

[khumak]

So far it's looking like the mages and vampires are the most popular. I'm kind of surprised the werewolves are getting so little love. Is there something in particular people don't find appealing about them? Am I the only one who found this scene from True Blood incredibly hot? These are all werewolves.

 

[Beatrix Kiddo]

So far it's looking like the mages and vampires are the most popular. I'm kind of surprised the werewolves are getting so little love. Is there something in particular people don't find appealing about them? Am I the only one who found this scene from True Blood incredibly hot? These are all werewolves.

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Probably the fur and being a four legged beast. Don't know if poeple would classify it as bestiality, but it sure is damn close. That is, if there's sex scenes in beast mode.

 

[Sphere42]

So far it's looking like the mages and vampires are the most popular. I'm kind of surprised the werewolves are getting so little love. Is there something in particular people don't find appealing about them? Am I the only one who found this scene from True Blood incredibly hot? These are all werewolves.

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Haven't watched True Blood, what about this scene is specific to werewolves and their appeal? Would the scene still work if they were casual nudists, wood elves or suspiciously human aliens?

 

[khumak]

Haven't watched True Blood, what about this scene is specific to werewolves and their appeal? Would the scene still work if they were casual nudists, wood elves or suspiciously human aliens?

That's actually the point of my question. They're all in human form during the sex scenes, and would be in my game as well. Do people just like the lore surrounding vampires and mages more? Or were people worried about bestiality scenes that won't be there? That was what I was getting at.

 

[Jonathan Y]

So far it's looking like the mages and vampires are the most popular. I'm kind of surprised the werewolves are getting so little love. Is there something in particular people don't find appealing about them? Am I the only one who found this scene from True Blood incredibly hot? These are all werewolves.

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Don't remember that particular scene but True Blood didn't really do werewolves justice. They portrayed them as fairly simple minded, easily manipulated, and a lot weaker than even a average vampire creatures.
And as a side note, I think it's funny when you have a huge guy like Alcide ( the character in the photo, played by Joe Manganiello ) who is 6' 5" tall and buff, transform into a relatively small wolf. Alteast Twilight as bad as it is, made their werewolves big unlike True Blood.
But Underworld takes the win for best Werewolf design, and second place goes to the classic The Wolfman movie, humanoid werewolf hybrid-like creature wins over normal sized wolf anyday for me.

 

[Sphere42]

That's actually the point of my question. They're all in human form during the sex scenes, and would be in my game as well. Do people just like the lore surrounding vampires and mages more? Or were people worried about bestiality scenes that won't be there? That was what I was getting at.

What's the point of them being werewolves then? The blood-drinking, pale skin and seductive nature of vampires provide very clear features to expect in sex scenes, those "werewolves" from your screenshot don't even have natural HUMAN body hair let alone hints at actual lupine features like fangs, claws, tails, fur, animalistic mannerisms and so on. In the context of sex scenes why should I care (and thus specifically vote for) human-form werewolves over the explicitly human mages if they're basically the same except mages have more freedom for individual character designs?

 

[Deleted member 229118]

Mages.
Because there pretty much mortal gods.
Reality bend to me that kinda stuff.
Tho chance's are i be limited to a fireball dispenser.

Also biggest chance for access to mind control, transformation, etc.

 

[Droid Productions]

I'd go mages, but then obviously I already did

Each of them can be an interesting story, so it depends mostly on you. Having a tribal inner-city society of werewolves halfway between Vikings and Hells Angels, defending their territory and building alliances against their enemies sounds fun.

Love of Magic treats the were-creatures differently, suggesting that discipline and technology could let them master themselves; a story written from the perspective of one of Bella's relatives, or an Indian weretiger in the 1800s, or a Norse werebear during the War could all be fun to write.

If you follow Dresden's view of vampires, the White Court would obviously make an amazing setting for an erotic novel; either playing as someone like Lara (would be a really fun female VN to write), or someone more torn about his vampiric nature like Thomas Raith. Red Vampires slide very quickly into non-con, and frankly an erotic novel about the Black Court sounds something for a very specific audience.

Good luck!

 

[khumak]

I'd go mages, but then obviously I already did

Each of them can be an interesting story, so it depends mostly on you. Having a tribal inner-city society of werewolves halfway between Vikings and Hells Angels, defending their territory and building alliances against their enemies sounds fun.

Love of Magic treats the were-creatures differently, suggesting that discipline and technology could let them master themselves; a story written from the perspective of one of Bella's relatives, or an Indian weretiger in the 1800s, or a Norse werebear during the War could all be fun to write.

If you follow Dresden's view of vampires, the White Court would obviously make an amazing setting for an erotic novel; either playing as someone like Lara (would be a really fun female VN to write), or someone more torn about his vampiric nature like Thomas Raith. Red Vampires slide very quickly into non-con, and frankly an erotic novel about the Black Court sounds something for a very specific audience.

Good luck!

Haha, you correctly guessed the inspiration for my vampires. The Raith court from Dresden Files. A vampire like Lara was planned as MC's sire. Pretty much raw sex appeal and completely ruthless. MC was going to be more conflicted like Thomas. So far it's looking like more people would prefer to play as a mage though. So I might do that instead.

One of the other commenters mentioned the Maenad from True Blood and that's kind of what I had in mind for my magic system. The mages will be human though. The Maenads are basically gods and to me that doesn't really work as a main character. Too powerful. But sex rituals, sacrifices, stuff like that will be the fuel for their magic. It wouldn't necessarily have to be that overt though. One of my mages could potentially show up at a bar and draw energy from some of the drunk customers making out in the corner or getting handsy on the dance floor. It just wouldn't be as big of a flow as an orgy or something.

As for the werewolves, biker gangs are a good analogy for what I had in mind. That kind of mindset works for them although being werewolves, they don't really need bikes. They'll still live in modern human society like the setting for Dresden Files or Underworld but they'll have personalities that are heavily influenced by animal instinct. So the stereotype about women going for the bad boy type for instance will be even more true of werewolf women. Definitely pays to be the alpha in that society.

I find the modern setting more interesting for this type of story anyway since it allows for humans to use technology to potentially get a fighting chance against some of the supernaturals. Guns, explosives, etc.

 

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[Sphere42]

As for the werewolves, biker gangs are a good analogy for what I had in mind. That kind of mindset works for them although being werewolves, they don't really need bikes. They'll still live in modern human society

Then they do need vehicles. Not only does a werewolf capable of matching the speed of a motorbike sound incredibly overpowered in combat compared to the limits you want to impose on the others, it's also a sure-fire way to blow your cover immediately. And then probably get riddled with bullets, which is not conducive to "living in modern human society" even if it doesn't actually kill you.