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Zeniks1895

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Personally, I see Helen as a psychological/emotional abuser. William had/has to walk on eggshells to stay on her good side. And it has been said that Dylan wasn't a good father either. William learned how not to be jealous by Helen, which, I think, is a weird thing to teach a 16-year-old. Also, I get the impression that William is the Cinderella in this family.
Why he ran away... I'm not sure. It's safe to say that he was afraid of consequences, and when the topic of returning home comes up, he says he's still afraid to go back and face everyone. What he did to earn those consequences is anyone's guess. He could've cheated on Leia with Katie (Leia alludes to William sleeping around), or he could've gotten involved with one of the gangs. I'm not sure if I have the patience to find out because I hate it when the MC has secrets for the player.
I can't say anything about Helen except that for some reason she feels a strong lust for the MC and she's generally become softer in character, which is quite unusual. In the previous game it was known that she was very fond of MC, he was her favourite child and she blamed Katie for his disappearance. In the new version of the game, however, she has a pretty good relationship with Katie, which at first confused me, but on second thoughts I came to the conclusion that in the new version Katie did not tell her parents anything about MC and his relationship with her twin sister, so MC's sudden disappearance was not blamed on her.Unfortunately the game doesn't have too much information about her to have a discussion, hopefully we'll get more information in future chapters.

Dylan really wasn't a good father according to MС. I don't know what the reason is in the new version, but in the old version it was because MС and Leia often bullied Katie, Dylan seeing this tried to balance their relationship by taking Katie's side and causing trouble for MС and Leia. Again in this game things got a lot more.... I don't know, soft? So it's hard to say if MС's reason for calling Dylan a bad father has changed.

If the reason MC ran away from home was because he cheated on Leia with Katie it would be pretty hilarious, but unfortunately that's not possible. You haven't made it to chapter three yet, so here's a mini spoiler - Katie is a virgin. It's possible he slept with his cousin Katarina and Katie threatened to tell Leia and their parents, but so far it's all idle speculation, not worth wasting time on.
 

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I also feel like a 16 year old who is impulsive enough to creampie his girlfriend and dum her on his aunt's kitchen table is both crazy and socially maladjusted enough to run away from shit he knows he can fix with fists or words. He was deeply disconnected from his feelings as a child, even looks as emotionally invested as Hayden Christensen in the flashbacks. Miru has kinda helping him through that disconnect. I think of her as his personal therapist/coach.
A note I made about Monica, is that she's partly to blame as well. She let William take her virginity on the kitchen table at Katarina's birthday party (and I suspect Katarina is a few years younger than William too). Anyone could've walked in, so she wasn't thinking clearly either. So it's a bit weird how she put so much importance on her virginity. It would've been a quick fuck, due to the circumstances.

Willi's also an asshole to her as he bribes her with sex and makes part of their relationship transactional. But I also believe Miru's baby talk stems from mirroring Willi's own baby talk and upping the ante, so maybe she's also mirrored his sexual transactional behaviour in the poundy coupons and rules.
Miru mirrors a lot more than that. For instance, the story she makes up about William having trained the spider is very reminiscent of how Will & Katie create a plan to battle the spiders. For me, this is borderline creepy, more so if she does it consciously.

Post prison he built a new life with Daphne and Miru
Don't forget about Renold. At least from context, it seems Renold had to know William (and Daphne?) well enough to know that the best shot at making Miru jealous was faking texts between Will & Daphne.
You mentioning Will having been in prison makes me want to continue playing, because of there finally being some background information in the future.

For Leia, William sleeping around could easily just be what he did with Monica is his aunt's kitchen. The flashback in Ch3 Full shows Leia put far more weight on their relationship than Willi did. Willi abandoning Monica because he realised it was a dead end with her becomes a foreshadowing of Willi abandoning Leia, because his 16 year old mind knows it's socially suicide to be with "his special friend".
I did consider that Leia's remark was about Monica, and maybe others. William learned from a young age that sex and love are separate, and that jealousy is a waste of time and emotions... Why wouldn't he fuck around as a horny teenager?
Thank you for mentioning the Chapter 3 flashback. Like I said above, I want more details, and the frustration of being blind compared to William isn't making for a fun experience.

Just an example of what I mean:
Burger joint:
Which sauce… Yet another time where the player is disadvantaged. For all we know, Katie loves spicy sauce. I want to take Miru's advice and be the better person, and William would know his sister's tastes. The player doesn't.
I make a save just in case, and pick the sweet sauce.

Katie is jealous for Willi's attention, and it'll develop through the story if he choses to open up to her, defend her from Leia etc. Katie is probably with Zoey because she has a bad vibe for men as tormentors simply because of how Willi treated her as a bibi.
This makes sense. I wondered where the constant push & pull between Will & Katie came from. We learned about what Will did through Gina, and it was clear Katie acts like she hates Will. Yet, when given the opportunity, she'll interact or even play with him.

Helen and Dylan... well, if Helen taught lessons in avoiding jealousy, it's probably because Dylan was sleeping around, or because Helen was turning Dylan into a cuck the whole time. Leia learnt being manipulative somewhere. I also don't believe Helen or DYlan wouldn't know about Willi or Leia. In some ways Dylan has my sympathy, the hug after the lifting challenge shows how starved for wholesome male company he was. I'd say he's the definition of hen pecked.
Yeah. This whole "Dylan was a bad father"-thing was swept under the rug very quickly. Dylan apologized, and Will immediately accepted. So I don't think Dylan was actually abusive toward him. I mean, if you gave your son a black eye for sneezing too loudly, then a simple apology wouldn't do.
About Helen's teaching's I wrote:
This talk does make clear that, above all, William yearns for his mother's approval. Did he learn not to be jealous because this is what she wanted? Was it conscious teaching on her part, or a lesson he had to learn due to her behavior?

I can't say anything about Helen except that for some reason she feels a strong lust for the MC and she's generally become softer in character, which is quite unusual. In the previous game it was known that she was very fond of MC, he was her favourite child and she blamed Katie for his disappearance. In the new version of the game, however, she has a pretty good relationship with Katie, which at first confused me, but on second thoughts I came to the conclusion that in the new version Katie did not tell her parents anything about MC and his relationship with her twin sister, so MC's sudden disappearance was not blamed on her.Unfortunately the game doesn't have too much information about her to have a discussion, hopefully we'll get more information in future chapters.
I had the impression that in the current version, it's Leia who blames William for everything. Though I can't really get a handle on Helen yet. Though, if she still lusts after William, then it would make sense to teach him not to be jealous. He'd have to share her, after all.
Maybe I should just wait a few years before playing again. Then I can just push through the early chapters to finally get some answers and context. :ROFLMAO:

Dylan really wasn't a good father according to MС. I don't know what the reason is in the new version, but in the old version it was because MС and Leia often bullied Katie, Dylan seeing this tried to balance their relationship by taking Katie's side and causing trouble for MС and Leia. Again in this game things got a lot more.... I don't know, soft? So it's hard to say if MС's reason for calling Dylan a bad father has changed.
I would love it if it's still the same reasoning/explanation in the current version. It's great when characters have motivations for doing things, and overcompensating towards Katie for how Will & Leia mistreat her would be great. I'll need to pay more attention how Katie and Dylan get along.

If the reason MC ran away from home was because he cheated on Leia with Katie it would be pretty hilarious, but unfortunately that's not possible. You haven't made it to chapter three yet, so here's a mini spoiler - Katie is a virgin. It's possible he slept with his cousin Katarina and Katie threatened to tell Leia and their parents, but so far it's all idle speculation, not worth wasting time on.
Okay, that is funny! Thank you for that minor spoiler. I tend to overthink these things (though this was put in my brain by Katie not being bothered being in her underwear around Will), and this made me laugh at myself.
 

HentaiKami

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You mentioning Will having been in prison makes me want to continue playing, because of there finally being some background information in the future.
This actually comes up in most recent update, i think haven't played the one before, when MC goes to Leia's club. He reveals to her that he's been in prison at the end of an argument and leaves. It's clearly starting to have big story impact in the next few episodes and will most likely be expanded upon in those.
 

mommysboiii

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Whatever happens im sure there will be a "canon" ending for wiab which will mater for SG no matter our choices in wiab.
I guess the happy ending/boring vanila loyal ending will be the ending for SG because SG is more like the average big VN like the dik game so I guess to appare to the audiance he will choose the lessdrama/vanilla/loyal/boring ending
 

mommysboiii

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I'm cool with an interconnected world... I just find SG boring af.
TRUEEEEE eskimo brother I could not agree more

I love bellas build up and I wish bella would be in WIAB because bella kinkyness/competition/ntr/drama could be interesting but having a char like bella in SG is such a wasted potential :cry:

SG is way to vanilla to me to but it seems like ocean wants to appear to the dik game audiance with SG
 
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BobTheDuck

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I guess the happy ending/boring vanila loyal ending will be the ending for SG because SG is more like the average big VN like the dik game so I guess to appare to the audiance he will choose the lessdrama/vanilla/loyal/boring ending
From what I understood of what Ocean has said, the canon happens regardless. But that doesn't mean it's a happy/vanilla ending; SG doesn't have to start from a linear continuation, there is likely 18/20 years of things happening between the two stories that they player doesn't have any choice over. Could easily be an Empire Strikes Back style ending, knowing that the plot continues after a time dilation, or a Donnie Darko style ending where the outcome becomes an obvious necessity. These ideas make me think the canon ending is more about where the characters are positioned story-wise, rather than their relationships. There might not be a necessity for the relationships to be in the canon either. It really depends on where Ocean leads us with the plot.

ie (completely unlikely scenario): Willi's in a chase scene and crashes into the Frohn's car, then into the Cyrus' car in a mass crash and Willi's left calling an ambulance; cue the start of SG. Or Leia's activities get to the point where she is forced to abdicate her businesses and puts Helen in charge. Final scene is her giving away her earrings.

Cue post end scene epilogue - each player gets to see what happens with their choices, but each epilogue gets reconciled to the canon. That could mean the relationships are only dramas to the internal story, but not the macro universe storyline.

Ocean did mentione that he was working on ways for some player choices to carry through from WiaB to SG, but WiaB is a while away from that point, and I'm not sure if it would really change the way anyone plays the two games.
 

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The best visual novel i've ever played.I like girl art design and also music in game is great. Music reminds me those beatifull time playing Life is Strange
 
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I guess the happy ending/boring vanila loyal ending will be the ending for SG because SG is more like the average big VN like the dik game so I guess to appare to the audiance he will choose the lessdrama/vanilla/loyal/boring ending
I think it will be a open-relationship, william impregnated countless women all over wollust canon-ending, Ocean has to keep his incestverse going :WeSmart:
 

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I think it will be a open-relationship, william impregnated countless women all over wollust canon-ending, Ocean has to keep his incestverse going :WeSmart:
Sorry to disappoint you, but if William has children, he only has two. This is Nika and... At the end of WIAB, I believe William will most likely learn something from Helen that will turn his world upside down. So he won’t have any children other than two children.
 

HentaiKami

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Sorry to disappoint you, but if William has children, he only has two. This is Nika and... At the end of WIAB, I believe William will most likely learn something from Helen that will turn his world upside down. So he won’t have any children other than two children.
Nah, as Miru said, she will have 4 of MC's babies. And i'm willing to bet that Miru will get that wish fulfilled, she is quite strong willed in that regard. :D
 

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Sorry to disappoint you, but if William has children, he only has two. This is Nika and... At the end of WIAB, I believe William will most likely learn something from Helen that will turn his world upside down. So he won’t have any children other than two children.
Nothing proof points till now in the direction that Nika is William's offspring, most likely - I'm 100% sure about this - is that Auya is the daugther from Miru and William. We know for sure that she's the niece of Katie.
 

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Nah, as Miru said, she will have 4 of MC's babies. And i'm willing to bet that Miru will get that wish fulfilled, she is quite strong willed in that regard. :D
But the strong will and desire to get children from William do not help the World. They have been together for five years and have no children. Why would this be?
 

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Nothing proof points till now in the direction that Nika is William's offspring, most likely - I'm 100% sure about this - is that Auya is the daugther from Miru and William. We know for sure that she's the niece of Katie.
Nick is very much William's son. Although I'm not ready to say 100%. Maximum 90%. But Ayua has nothing to do with either William or Mir. Do you remember why she interfered in the conversation between Sasha and Nami? Because of Leah's earrings. She is Leia's adopted daughter and her mother is most likely Ri Ri.
 

mommysboiii

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Nah, as Miru said, she will have 4 of MC's babies. And i'm willing to bet that Miru will get that wish fulfilled, she is quite strong willed in that regard. :D
you mean 4 black babys??? or 4 babys from all the different crimelords after ending in their sex dungeon becaus willi and her failed ??:devilish:
 

mommysboiii

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Nothing proof points till now in the direction that Nika is William's offspring, most likely - I'm 100% sure about this - is that Auya is the daugther from Miru and William. We know for sure that she's the niece of Katie.
yeah sadly not ntr babys in the vanilla ending that will be used for SG I guess there will be couple of (bad endings) that I will like but I dont think ocen will use any of them for SG there is no way the SG fans could handel that mentally
 

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But the strong will and desire to get children from William do not help the World. They have been together for five years and have no children. Why would this be?
Well if you were paying attaention...he been in prison for x amount of time...

Plus...plenty of couples don't have children the minute they get together...neither of them are old.
 

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Having children because you have been in a relationship for x amount of time is not an obligation, especially in this day and age where children are born late in life. In France, for example, couples now wait 30 or even 35 yo to have children.


But I digress, all this to say that the MC and Miru's children would undoubtedly be magnificent ! :love:
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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Having children because you have been in a relationship for x amount of time is not an obligation, especially in this day and age where children are born late in life. In France, for example, couples now wait 30 or even 35 yo to have children.


But I digress, all this to say that the MC and Miru's children would undoubtedly be magnificent ! :love:
No, just an obligation to treating your body right!
 
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