VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Hey! you believed Ocean when he said he had SG written all the way to the end and now you can't believe he has only 4 chapters ahead in WIAB.... Shame on you.

Oh no, I do believe he's finished it ....and that he keeps tinkering with it. I mean, 4 years ago his world was different, different rules applied, different expectations etc. If he DOESN'T change the story to be authentic to who he is now as a writer, I think we'd get a very different story with guns and blanks, or creepy ninja Miru and raccoon hair hero. But I do miss the far more casual swearing of the older style

So, what I mean is that I can't believe he is currently working on Season 2 WiaB problems when surely there are still plenty of season 1 wiab problems waiting in the cue first. based on there being fewer season and chapters in WiaB, we'll hit those season 1 issues even after Ocean puts it on Steam for early access.

Only reason I wonder is because Ocean's working on SG S2 at the same time - I think some of the problems he's trying to circumvent might have an impact there.

 

[sorco2003]

As far as the statement went, my understanding is not that there are no family/blood relationships any more, simply that Willi and Leia are not Zanes by blood. Scarlet is still Helen's sister, Joe is still Kat and Lucas' dad. Presumably Katie is Helen's daughter, but we will have to see. Ocean deciding that Willi is only related to Leia changes nothing of the other relationships between other characters, only between other characters and Willi. This might be for the crossover into SG to be simpler (I assume that's what Ocean meant by a big problem in season 2, unless he's actuall working on season 2 WiaB in part already, which I find hard to believe), or it might just be future proofing.

Either way, we have fewer undefined relationships than we had a week ago.

Personally, after the dark clouds of pessimism that characterize me, what worries me is the construction of credibility. I have always said that it is important to me that one can believe in the situation based on the universe created by the author before this situation is realistic.
Without knowing how the story unfolds now, each theory only confirms my fears, makes me need a pact of disbelief even more with the story and if it becomes linear change, the situations where I could not believe in what is told or what the characters feel. And if, on top of that, this is a change just to facilitate SG's narrative, then it's worse for me, SG is Ocean's workhorse and what puts the plate on the table and I defend that he has SG as a priority, but it hurts my perception of WIAB that SG is the narrative engine, that WIAB's story is just the excuse for the players who don't know it, to go check SG.

Oh no, I do believe he's finished it ....and that he keeps tinkering with it. I mean, 4 years ago his world was different, different rules applied, different expectations etc. If he DOESN'T change the story to be authentic to who he is now as a writer, I think we'd get a very different story with guns and blanks, or creepy ninja Miru and raccoon hair hero. But I do miss the far more casual swearing of the older style

So, what I mean is that I can't believe he is currently working on Season 2 WiaB problems when surely there are still plenty of season 1 wiab problems waiting in the cue first. based on there being fewer season and chapters in WiaB, we'll hit those season 1 issues even after Ocean puts it on Steam for early access.

Only reason I wonder is because Ocean's working on SG S2 at the same time - I think some of the problems he's trying to circumvent might have an impact there.

You promised me that SG was not going to spoil WIAB!!!! that with the difference of chapters Ocean could keep the mysteries until WIAB was finished....
I feel betrayed

 

[Deleted member 7636288]

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But it was time I made this place look like someone actually lives here... I now have a table and few stools. Job done. Previously, friends that came over had to sit on the floor. Did I feel bad? No.

The only time spent in front of the PC was me discussing stuff with the GF of a friend with whom I wanted to learn Blender together.

But I'm 99% sure that it's not going to work out.

The only thing wrong with that random Apartment pic, is the shadow left by the invisible ceiling fan. I don't see anything wrong with it, especially if you're a loner. Now, if you're a "people" person then, I know they'll judge you for it.

You gotta live the way they want you to live, fuck that. If they were really your friends, they would have gotten you some seats or Brang some over themselves. Wasting money on home items just to please other people lols screw that noise.

Hmm, don't tell me you were "NTRing" your "friend" with his GF.... sounds fishy as hell. I'm sure she wanted to "learn" it really bad. No wonder why you bought stuff for the Apartment, makes sense now!

jesus christ
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Is she LARPing? pants are like from the Wild West!

 

[Adhdclassic]

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Hello,

I apologize for this boy being a day late.

I was committed to building furniture, and that's what I did for most of the day...

This was me before:
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But it was time I made this place look like someone actually lives here... I now have a table and few stools. Job done. Previously, friends that came over had to sit on the floor. Did I feel bad? No.

I sold it as an alternative Berlin apartment style. (I didn't but it would probably work.)

The only time spent in front of the PC was me discussing stuff with the GF of a friend with whom I wanted to learn Blender together.

But I'm 99% sure that it's not going to work out. I love working on the games and I'm in it with burning passion... But if someone you want to work with isn't... We have a problem.

I doubt she'd ever reach the level of quality needed in terms of environmental design needed with her mindset.

Selfmade HDRIs.
I've started shooting my own HDRI images. In a future Blender log, I will explain HDRIs and why I'm shooting them myself in more detail. (It will be quite a bit of work, but as soon as I get the workflow down, it will be great.)

I drove to a closed gas station yesterday night and took around 30 images 3EV 5. (Not optimal but my cam can't do any better.)

"Can you show us the HDRI?"

Well uhm... You see... Umm... I can't find the cable to transfer the images to my PC... And I will need a new lens... I have a 14mm lens but the APS-C crop factor (1.5x) of my Sony A6400 fucks with it. (I need a lens with ~15mm).

I might just lease a camera at some point so I won't have to deal with that damn crop factor anymore. (And can shoot in 2EV 7 which is optimal.)

I'm not doing this because I'm bored. There's some intention behind it. I will talk about it in more detail in a future log.

Interactive leaves.
I want to integrate a few new thingies into the games. One of those are interactive symbols in some scenes. From now on, you can find leaves in some scenes, and they will be clickable. Clicking them unlocks a secret render.

You can see it to the right of Dana's head. (Preview)
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Some of them can be a little tricky to spot. If you play WIAB without NTR, you will unlock the normal extra render. If you have it turned on, there will also be an NTR version of it.

I'm aware that quite a few play WiAB due to the NTR content... But said content takes a while to make believable... So at least you get some snacks until the time comes for some real content.

Change.
I had faced an issue ever since I started thinking about WIAB on Steam... With the events that went down in March and WiAB losing 98% of its support overnight, I was forced to find a solution to the following question much earlier than expected:

"How to publish WiAB on Steam/GOG and for the story, etc. to make sense?"

With the new update, there will be some changes to a certain part of the game. And they might be an issue for some people, and welcomed by others.

The only person related to William (MC) is Leia.

Certain love stories will feel much more natural, solving a big issue I faced in Season 2. You'll see how it feels and plays out in the next update.

The further we get, the bigger its impact.

Previews
Departure.
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I'll see you in two weeks.
-Ocean

If Katie is being removed as a relative it could work only because of what Miru said at the gym when she met Katie. She said something like so that's the infamous Katie I am jealous or nervous. Which if you didn't know the story you would assume they had a relationship. So curious how they will do it.

 

[Maviarab]

All I can say is...this is how I feel right now:






I'm so fed up right now I'm not sure I could even find a cute comeback to RNasc4444 ribbing me...

 

[BobTheDuck]

Personally, after the dark clouds of pessimism that characterize me, what worries me is the construction of credibility. I have always said that it is important to me that one can believe in the situation based on the universe created by the author before this situation is realistic.
Without knowing how the story unfolds now, each theory only confirms my fears, makes me need a pact of disbelief even more with the story and if it becomes linear change, the situations where I could not believe in what is told or what the characters feel. And if, on top of that, this is a change just to facilitate SG's narrative, then it's worse for me, SG is Ocean's workhorse and what puts the plate on the table and I defend that he has SG as a priority, but it hurts my perception of WIAB that SG is the narrative engine, that WIAB's story is just the excuse for the players who don't know it, to go check SG.



You promised me that SG was not going to spoil WIAB!!!! that with the difference of chapters Ocean could keep the mysteries until WIAB was finished....
I feel betrayed

I am still hopeful, I think the best outcome is for Ocean to do something he can sustain. We don't know what caused Helen to be silent, we don't know anything about Asavera, Krayt or the mysterious organisation. I'd say that only our expectations have been hurt. The story is still superior to SG, and might surprise that it is superior than if he just made an incest AVN with a side dish of crime. It seems to me that there is more potential narrative wish to drive the plot, my mind is now wondering who Willi's parent are, why he and Leia were raised with Katie instead, and whether he actually knows, or whether Emilio has told Leia she's not a Zane, and Emilio's the true villian of both stories!

Okay, a little overboard, but I see steps forward. Next release will be the telling of whether Ocean has moved it forward or just overthought things.

I still think Ocean prefers WiaB, but he prefers a live active WiaB to a dead idea that stalled because he couldn't grow past challenges.

 

[sorco2003]

I still think Ocean prefers WiaB, but he prefers a live active WiaB to a dead idea that stalled because he couldn't grow past challenges.

If you follow this Meushi ´s quote, you can read about this topic...

Not the same quote, but in a similar vein:

Ocean has a tremendous emotional attachment and loves WIAB, but it never was and never will be his favorite.

 

[Maviarab]

If you follow this Meushi ´s quote, you can read about this topic...

Ocean has a tremendous emotional attachment and loves WIAB, but it never was and never will be his favorite.

Why you do dis sorc? Why? Why? You know you can go off people right?

 

[RNasc4444]

All I can say is...this is how I feel right now:




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I'm so fed up right now I'm not sure I could even find a cute comeback to RNasc4444 ribbing me...

Shhh...everything is gonna be ok...I know the world seems bleak right now, but the sun will rise again. And with it comes the brightness and warmth of better days...

In the meantime though, have some Katie

 

[BobTheDuck]

Shhh...everything is gonna be ok...I know the world seems bleak right now, but the sun will rise again. And with it comes the brightness and warmth of better days...

In the meantime though, have some Katie

This is the way.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Shhh...everything is gonna be ok...I know the world seems bleak right now, but the sun will rise again. And with it comes the brightness and warmth of better days...

In the meantime though, have some Katie

Ah... my precious not-sister.

 

[Maviarab]

Shhh...everything is gonna be ok...I know the world seems bleak right now, but the sun will rise again. And with it comes the brightness and warmth of better days...

In the meantime though, have some Katie

Thanks Nasc...Katie makes everything better.

 

[yossa999]

I don't know. I'm too dumb to understand how this adoption-schmadoption twist changes the main story. Except for now it makes more sense why these two little shits ganged up on Katie.

 

[RYOUSC]

Way to ruin your story. What the hell.

 

[Maviarab]

Way to ruin your story. What the hell.

Now be serious for a minute, you can hardly say that with a straight face with that first gif image in your sig

 

[yossa999]

Way to ruin your story. What the hell.

Don't worry bro, he always ruins everything, but that doesn't stop him from making two best AVNs. You will get used.

 

[RNasc4444]

I don't know. I'm too dumb to understand how this adoption-schmadoption twist changes the main story. Except for now it makes more sense why these two little shits ganged up on Katie.

I've thought about this and realized there are no words, analogies or arguments I can use to make you or someone else understand why this is such a big deal.

Like in everything, context matters. The situation we are inserted in matters. Where we are, where we came from shapes every single person on this planet. DNA matters. At birth we are imprinted with genetical material of those who came before us. The very concept of family is so massive because we are talking about people who surround us and make us who we are. People who are connected to us that we didn't get to choose.

You can't replace a blood bond with an adoption, like you're picking a pet at the local pound, and keep the concept of "family" exactly the same. If this isn't internalized in you by default, I truly don't see how you can be made to understand it.

 

[Maviarab]

I've thought about this and realized there are no words, analogies or arguments I can use to make you or someone else understand why this is such a big deal.

Like in everything, context matters. The situation we are inserted in matters. Where we are, where we came from shapes every single person on this planet. DNA matters. At birth we are imprinted with genetical material of those who came before us. The very concept of family is so massive because we are talking about people who make us who we are. People who are connected to us that we didn't choose.

You can't replace a blood bond with an adoption, like you're picking a pet at the local pound, and keep the concept of "family" exactly the same. If this isn't internalized in you by default, I truly don't see how you can be made to understand it.

Damn! Excellent post Nasc.

 

[sorco2003]

I don't know. I'm too dumb to understand how this adoption-schmadoption twist changes the main story. Except for now it makes more sense why these two little shits ganged up on Katie.

So many years fighting trolls made you want to try what it's like to be one?

 

[yossa999]

I've thought about this and realized there are no words, analogies or arguments I can use to make you or someone else understand why this is such a big deal.

Like in everything, context matters. The situation we are inserted in matters. Where we are, where we came from shapes every single person on this planet. DNA matters. At birth we are imprinted with genetical material of those who came before us. The very concept of family is so massive because we are talking about people who make us who we are. People who are connected to us that we didn't choose.

You can't replace a blood bond with an adoption, like you're picking a pet at the local pound, and keep the concept of "family" exactly the same. If this isn't internalized in you by default, I truly don't see how you can be made to understand it.

DNA matters, but not when the fertilized egg begins to divide. The genes are not yet activated, but the proliferating cells somehow already know who will be the skin and who will be the liver. Although after division they are identical.

I mean, don't overestimate the importance of DNA

So Tom Hagen would have been a better consigliere if he hadn't been adopted? Would he be a more brother to Michael and a more son to Vito Corleone if they were blood related? And the Michael's story took the another direction? Family, I mean, household, is not just blood relationship. In fact, this is the least that matters, otherwise non-incestuous relationships would be impossible