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sorco2003

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Ok i give you homework go on filter and sort after rating

And take all this 5 star games

How many of them have a actually good plot .... exactly almost NONE and why is it this way....... its the lack of losing ,intrigues , competition,drama ,possibilities to lose/win ..... and so on

Your rivals are pointless if they suck ....winning dosent matter if you cant lose ... intiuges are boring if you already know you can choose answer blindfolded and win...you have zero feel of actually treath because the world is designed for the chads ( a save space world for waifu pillow bros)

Most games are like big booty bitches,college , spin bottle thats it,burning houses :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ... and I cant really blame the devs because it sells most but its most steril and boring world design ...

its basicly ubisoft /EA of VN games we need qualitie stuff not this fast food VN stuff over and over again ..
You are just lying, but keep it up, as long as you believe yourself, you will be able to enjoy your favorite games, while I will enjoy all those "5 stars games" in the list.
 

yossa999

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Ok i give you homework go on filter and sort after rating

And take all this 5 star games

How many of them have a actually good plot .... exactly almost NONE and why is it this way....... its the lack of losing ,intrigues , competition,drama ,possibilities to lose/win ..... and so on

Your rivals are pointless if they suck ....winning dosent matter if you cant lose ... intiuges are boring if you already know you can choose answer blindfolded and win...you have zero feel of actually treath because the world is designed for the chads ( a save space world for waifu pillow bros)

Most games are like big booty bitches,college , spin bottle thats it,burning houses :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ... and I cant really blame the devs because it sells most but its most steril and boring world design ...

its basicly ubisoft /EA of VN games we need qualitie stuff not this fast food VN stuff over and over again ..
You have a very strange and narrow idea of what conflict in a story should be. For you, it's all about fighting for pussy. Even in this game, there's conflict between crime families, internal character conflicts, conflicts between... um... household members, and all that.

And no, I'm not doing your homework, and you know why? Because discussing other games in the game's on-topic thread is off-topic. You can choose an off-topic thread for this kind of conversations, like this one.
https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-off-topic.186269/
 

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You have a very strange and narrow idea of what conflict in a story should be. For you, it's all about fighting for pussy. Even in this game, there's conflict between crime families, internal character conflicts, conflicts between... um... household members, and all that.

And no, I'm not doing your homework, and you know why? Because discussing other games in the game's on-topic thread is off-topic. You can choose an off-topic thread for this kind of conversations, like this one.
https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-off-topic.186269/
Why you ping me!!!! only because i play all those 5 star games??? :KEK:


edit: and now you edit the post... I am not a madman, I was summoned!!!!
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You have a very strange and narrow idea of what conflict in a story should be. For you, it's all about fighting for pussy. Even in this game, there's conflict between crime families, internal character conflicts, conflicts between... um... household members, and all that.

And no, I'm not doing your homework, and you know why? Because discussing other games in the game's on-topic thread is off-topic. You can choose an off-topic thread for this kind of conversations, like this one.
https://f95zone.to/threads/where-it-all-began-off-topic.186269/
I just think you have no idea how tension arc works and why game of thrones is so sucessful ....
 

yossa999

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Why you ping me!!!! only because i play all those 5 star games??? :KEK:


edit: and now you edit the post... I am not a madman, I was summoned!!!!
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I regret it already :Kappa: But yeah, I didn't notice the saved quote.
In my favorites list is, I think, ~10% of the games from pages 1-5 of games sorted by rating. People like weird stuff.:cautious:

I just think you have no idea how tension arc works and why game of thrones is so sucessful ....
Sorry, I had covid while watching GoT so I threw up all the time and now I strongly associate GoT with vomiting. :HideThePain:
But don't worry, I love how Ocean creates tension in his games and that it doesn't involve putting the chosen LI under every guy to strengthen our bond.
 

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I just think you have no idea how tension arc works and why game of thrones is so sucessful ....
Dude it's cool. Just own your kink. It's yours. We're not stopping you. Find your happiness in it wherever it may be.

I find elastic bands have tension, so we can add more tension by including slingshots. Or, for a more kink based thing, shibari's all about tension. Don't need NTR for all the kinds of tension. Not my thing, but someone will go nuts for that content saying it opened their third eye to what WiaB is really all about if OCean added that.

Fuck, there's tension whenever Helen tries to put on clothes or shoes!

But some people really just like well written stories about Katie. So let us have our kinks too.Good thing Ocean let's us chose how we want to play ...well, when the next up dat is out I guess he will let us play it and not just admire it from afar :coffee::whistle:
 
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Like the prior topic, NTR is not essential to this story. So much so that Ocean made it optional. It's a kink. Games like Inside Jennifer wouldn't function w/o it, but WiAB only benefits from it in the eyes of those who enjoy that kink - at least currently. And that option exists for them and hurts no one who doesn't want it. The prior topic doesn't bc Ocean is afraid of losing his 6 figure per year income if it persists openly.

We can certainly argue how the cries against NTR go waaaay too far. Is there a love interest you reject who then moves on to another character? People cry NTR. Does a LI come into the story while currently in a relationship? People cry NTR. A side characters gives a LI a side-eyed glance? People cry NTR. There are a lot of people here who want puritanical, subservient bags of meat and bones and openly cry about it on every single thread.

You could certainly write a NTR path that would be superior to what we currently have in either path for this story. If Leia's actions behind the scenes led to the current events, where instead of simply an accident where Helen loses her voice, Helen instead gets SA'd and loses her voice due to that event, it would be infinitely more emotionally impactful. It would be easy to justify bc Leia likes to emasculate even her favorite, William, talking about him possessively even after years of separation. Gangs of criminals have needed far less justification for such behavior in real life than what Leia represents. From there, William, Leia and Katie's actions could dictate if or who suffers a similar or worse fate as you navigate to discover who is behind it all and how to stop them.

That's just to say it COULD be a more impactful story if NTR were involved. Based on the prior iteration of this game, I don't think Ocean is even capable of writing "good" NTR. It's like watching the bonus scene between Helen and Miru in the gallery. You can watch something happen, but it does nothing to drive the story forward. I'm not a fan of the VN's that you are reduced down to "Sex - Yes or No" and that's how his NTR plays out.

If something doesn't add to a character or story, it shouldn't exist. Even sex in an AVN. This is the biggest problem in modern day storytelling. They want to drag the story out as long as possible and that leads to people getting fed up and giving up on the story. The Walking Dead was the greatest example of such writing. Now, due to early success, EVERYONE tries to replicate it. They ignore how we have almost universally turned against that show in hindsight. And we certainly see a LOT of that type of writing even amongst the best VN's out there.
 
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Based on the prior iteration of this game
You do know there was actual NTR in the story in the prison scene right? where you either got the shit beaten out of you orwatched the gang leader fuck Miru whenever she can for prison visits? Problem was, no one really liked old Miru, so it was "meh". Or Miru with her ex? Already the ground work for Miru cheating is so much more believable in the new version. In the old version we don't know where pushing Miru to do certain things lead, because not only was she unapealling to most, the original story got reworked into something more believable.

Gotta remember this is really early days for any proper NTR to happen. Probably won't have anything serious BFORE Willi starts committing to the other LI's.

Also, rating NTR by how much it makes you feel for characters you don't have a good connection with, well, that's how I rate games - connections to a character - how believeable the character is. That isn't based on NTR, it's based on good writing. Plenty of movies with no cheating that I've enjoyed.
 

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Hi, can someone spoil what type of NTR content this game contains?
The NTR tag on this site can mean so many things, some of which I don't mind others which aren't my thing.
Not looking to join the ususal Love NTR/Hate NTR war, just never played this game b4 and enjoyed Summers Gone so I want to try but I'm not sure what is removed if I toggle off.
(Also, yes I did try searching 1st but all I found were comments arguing about what they personally like)
 

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Hi, can someone spoil what type of NTR content this game contains?
The NTR tag on this site can mean so many things, some of which I don't mind others which aren't my thing.
Not looking to join the ususal Love NTR/Hate NTR war, just never played this game b4 and enjoyed Summers Gone so I want to try but I'm not sure what is removed if I toggle off.
(Also, yes I did try searching 1st but all I found were comments arguing about what they personally like)
As of right now there is no NTR. As for what type of might be, all types. Sharing, cuckolding, Bull and Netori all are hinted at but the story has not reached the point to this to happen. And of course, everything is optinal.
 

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Which one drops first, Ocean, digi, or DPC? :cautious:
Hopefully they all do soon! DPC sounds like it's going to drop before March, not sure on digi but can't wait. Ocean is immortal and time is relative, my grandchildren may see the story come to an end.:ROFLMAO: Though I am looking forward to chapter 2 of SG and chapter 4 of WiAB.
 
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WiAB Chapter 4 - Dev Log #23
Hello,

The log after this one will be on Wednesday the 12th. I want to return to the Wednesday Dev logs.

I took the liberty of postponing this log until I had some numbers from the new Workstation... And boy do I have them now.

With the arrival of the new Workstation, my old 2021 Workstation will become a slave PC.

The entire process of moving the library and everything else over took around 60 hours.

Workstation comparisons and data.
I did the following tests:

Load & render a scene with 2 people in it.

Load & render a scene with 20 people in it. (Book club from Chapter 5)

Render a test animation.

Load a character into the scene.

Scene saving

2 People scene. (Opening and rendering)

Old: 13:20min

New: 8:25

Improvement: ~5min

20 People scene. (Opening and rendering)

Old: 46:08min

New: 29:20min

Improvement: ~17min

Test animation - 70 Iterations - 120 frames

Old: 1:45h

New: 1:13h

Improvement: ~32min

A final animation would run at 1500 iterations and there it would save even more time because of the additional A6000. (I would assume it would run 2-3h faster. I'll test it overnight.)

Okay, okay... You save 5min here and 17min there... Let me put this into perspective.

If I have an update that is ~7000 renders big, and I save an average of 11min per render, we're looking at 53+ days saved.

That's almost 2 months saved of just Daz opening and rendering scenes.

The bigger the scene, the more time I save... In the grand scheme of an entire update, we're talking about months.

After Chapter 1, I'll return to my normal update size of ~3000-3500 renders. With an average of 11 minutes saved, we save almost an entire month.

This is without adding the 2nd Workstation to it, which currently runs on a 4090. It will render animations until there are none left to render, at which point it moves over to the stills.

I haven't had the chance to test the new PC in the queue yet, but if it can render more than 55-70 renders a night, it will constantly outperform me.

Other improvements that will add up:

Scenes like the book club save 5-10x as fast. It sometimes takes almost a minute to save a scene, which disrupts the flow. Now, it saves giant scenes in less than 10 seconds.

Loading characters into the scene. On the old Workstation, it took 2:30 minutes to load Bellchen into a scene, whereas it took 1:01 minutes on the new workstation. This is a big one, as I often have to load assets and characters into the scene. I can only assume that poses will also load faster.

And my favorite: the viewport performance. On the old Workstation, it feels like you have 3 fps in the book club scene. It feels like going through mud up to your thighs with a screen freeze every 10-15 seconds.

On the new PC, it feels like there are maybe four people in the scene. Scenes with just two characters feel empty.

This is so important because it directly impacts your mental. If a scene lags and the screen freezes every X seconds it will annoy the shit out of you.

The airflow of the case is amazing. It keeps the 3x A6000 ADAs at ~60-65°C without me removing the side panel. (Which I had to do for all other PCs.)

Photoshop feels much smoother. A big hassle during postwork is that after a while the performance drops hard.

On paper this Workstation is worth every penny, however, let's see how it will perform over a long period of time.

From now on, I will count every render I make and give you the number in every dev log. So in 11 days, you'll hear about what I rendered, not just setup, but actually rendered out.

We're starting at 0.

WiAB Chapter 4:
If we ignore the past 3 days in which I spent setting everything up, work has been continued as usual.

The workstation arrived just at the right time, as I still have to do the scene with 30+ people in it. I started the animation rendering yesterday and will continue with them soon.

I've also created about 20 new characters that will function as side and background characters.

And yes, some of them are hot enough to be main girls.

Previews:
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With the next Dev Log I'll make true of what I said a few dev logs ago, there will only be one preview from now on.

Apparently, I'm one of the only devs who shows multiple previews every single Dev Log and while I like doing it, it shows too much.

I want to keep more scenes a secret and sometimes, I'll add a nude preview for the Summer tier and above.

I'll end this Dev log here because I'm so excited to work. I want to see and feel what it's like to work with this beast.

I mentioned the Specs of the workstation in the last Log I think... I added my previously acquired two A6000 ADAs to the one that came with the workstation.

I also got enterprise SSDs with 7.68TB and one of them is in RAID 1 to minimize the risk of data loss.

I'll see you in 11 days with some numbers.

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If I have an update that is ~7000 renders big
good meme
Apparently, I'm one of the only devs who shows multiple previews every single Dev Log and while I like doing it, it shows too much.

I want to keep more scenes a secret and sometimes
It could always be worse, some of DPC\s ret...patreons voted for environments previews so it doesn't spoil :HideThePain:

Which AVN got your pinups as LI's??
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good meme
It could always be worse, some of DPC\s ret...patreons voted for environments previews so it doesn't spoil :HideThePain:
Meme? SG's S2C1 is intended 6000-7000 renders, and Wiab's is ~4000. We're not talking about something abstract. The work station means that of the remaining renders for both games, Ocean will save about a month of time before release. Actuall numbers we'll gt in the next dev log, so we can see if they've grown larger than what Ocean's anticipated already. At least he's no longer talking about 8000 for SG. :HideThePain:
 

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Hi, can someone spoil what type of NTR content this game contains?
As of right now there is no NTR.
Technically, there is currently one potential scene with NTR. If on the NTR path William keeps leaving Miru sexually frustrated, she will demand that William allow her to be groped by the gang member in the bar in trade for her distracting him in the bathroom. She might ask if she can have him grope her, but I don't remember what decisions led to that. Otherwise, she will simply lure him there. It's limited to fondling her breasts and she stops him from sticking his hand down her pants, but currently that's the only thing that is remotely NTR related.

Hopefully, the entire jail arc gets cut from this version bc I find that hard to even call NTR. It would be more accurate to say that William simply has Miru raped by another man during a decision that would otherwise have zero consequences. That was just bad writing. If there were an element of corruption even, that would be different. Instead, its just not really a pleasant experience for any party involved. Even the gang guy goes about it like its transactional instead of an act that's supposed to be fun and pleasurable. More like he's doing it for Williams benefit than any pleasure he gets out of it, even.
 
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