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Dunno why everyone loves NTR content except me but this 10 out of 10 story is ruined cuz of the damn NTR content
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Then, why did you do NTR content if you dislike it so much?
Honestly, the only thing I can see that would ruins the story, that would be because Ocean will keep changing it so much, that it would 100% be a new game at this point.
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You know that it is not only opitnal but can be completed turned off at the start of the game ?
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just a shame that SG and WIAB as they both grow story wise will take so much longer to update now because of more LI's and different directions the story can go for both VN's. being that both stories are getting deeper into the story there are going to be so many choices or routes it will take between a year to 2 years maybe to update and the fact one guy is creating both at the same time . although when the updates finally hit the market there is definitely hours of play time to both , the wait still sucks lol.
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i love ntr only if the ntr'd person gets to hit it eventually. it's the build up to that climax. idk, i guess i like the naughty aspect of it. it's a complete turn off if it's literally just cuck simulator all the way with no victory or redemption arc. that's the difference for me.
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100% there are myriad ways Ocean can have the Zane presence throughout. My main thought is that they will be in the background in SG, with things like Bella's story arc not really touching on the Zanes. Or maybe it does, with the Holgerson's - we know Stefan is still good with Zoey, is Zoey still good with Katie? The difference for me is that like it is now, in SG those connections are all in the background, we don't really know how Zoey feels about the events in SG, and I don't think we will. The WiaB characters will be the backdrop, and pop in and out like Ocean will pull a good character model from the background whenever he needs a new character. The actual story of the series will surely have an overall path for what happens to the Zane's but it doesn't have to reflect the Zane interest as the major plot in any of the games other than WiaB. We might see the rise and fall of the dynasty occuring side stage.
I think rgards lying, some people take everything as a serious promise, and don't know some things are throwaway comments. That's why the internet is difficult, the /s only goes so far. When a dev has a sense of humour, the dev might troll some of their subs/patreons. Right now I kinda see Ocean doing that on discord when talking about SG LI's fetishes. Some of it may be true, some of it maybe exaggerated, but he's teasing people who simp for a LI. Then you have statements where a dev has 100% intention, but they miss. Or in the form of the story, everything is told the way the MC believes the world is, but Helen might get her voice back and drop some bombshells. Truth is overvalued in storytelling. I much prefer integrity, even if it isn't always possible. In this sense, Ocean had a choice with WiaB, to stay true to his original vision and have the game nuked, or to stay as true to the feeling and intent of the game and make the changes that keep that sense of danger/shame/taboo valuable. Can he succeed? Well, there was no guarantee he'd succeed in the first way even if it didn't get nuked. His original plan might have sucked and ended up a basic fuckfest. This is the path forward, for better or worse. He has also not chosen to make the story a boring "MC chad's everyone into his harem."
So people in the game can misspeak, people in the game can misdirect, Ocean can be cagey in devlogs - if it's all in order of serving the game's continued development, I'm good. The only lies I'm not fond of are people saying they have xyz when they haven't and I paid in money or emotions.
About Leia: although we don't know, we do know that William wasn't around long after he creampied Mon. He doesn't know what happened after that. We don't know what happened that caused him to flee. So in that sense we don't know if Mon was dealt with in a worse way than Leia. I can only assume that Leia and Willi didn't do anything, like they didn't in the original. Leia's childishness about the grudge and her tantrums seem more along those lines - she mentally has gone back to who she was when Willi is around, all her adult armour gets broken. That's all we see anyway. Good or bad as her choices may be, I'd probably write her off as being in the too hard basket. Coming back to reconcile and be a support because she needs Willi ...to be a punching bag? Sorry, I would go for fixing things with everyone else and I wouldn't play along with her revenge. That's all in the past even if it has to be dealt with now. Which leads me to...
Katie: despite being younger, she has the more mature response. She accepts William is back, and basically is around him each day, bumping into him and going through the rollercoaster of trying to decide how to respond. Does she respond from hurt, do they team up (the spiders were ridiculous, but Willi purposefully tried to find a way to break her ice with that ridiculous planning), do they socialise with a moderate truce? Do they joke with each other? Katie's finding her equilibrium MUCH faster than Leia. Dylan had an emotional breakdown and is just glad. Katie has reservations, but to go back to what they had before also had fighting the whole time, callous jokes etc. So in some ways Katie has just picked up where she left off, and there's only a couple of moments where she has actual outbursts. Most of it is her trying to find a sense of equilibrium with the Willi she doesn't know. Leia doesn't seem interested in finding out who Willi is now, she seems more interested in bullying him for who he was when he left.
Mon: Yes, she's in denial, but I don't see that as a problem. When Willi first sees her, she is angry, but she doesn't get as violent as Leia, she also doesn't act like she's in denial. From that point she tolerates him because he's around. She also has to uphold the law because of her job, so she keeps her emotions in check. Regards the comment about nothing to compare - that could easily mean Ben has never done it with her, that he's not at that point of the relationship, or she doesn't want to compare him against Willi in front of Willi - she might just want the easy out of that conversation that is repulsive to her. Or it could be she is simply so used to avoiding that discussion that she just stays silent about it, public denial rather than psychological avoidance. Either way, she's acting incredibly level headed for the amount of injury Willi did to her reputation. Leia's reputation isn't anything to do with Willi.
And Willi, I think he's a lot more than people give him credit for. I think Ocean's trolling us with his chadness, just like Willi's trolling Leia by acting as a meathead (because she doesn't want to know who he is, but focus on the past).
As I mentioned above, I think the key part of Katie's reworked character is she starts from where she and Willi left off - the casual bullying/arguments between them, the pointed jokes etc - then realises she's glad his back, but doesn't want to admit it. Of course there's the part of her that is hurt because he left, and those outbursts happen when she loses control. I like that she starts from a more human approach. Leia has now taken the role that Katie filled in the old version in a way, Leia is the one trying to do bad things to William, or at least imagining doing them.Obviously me being me, I'm going to stop and talk about Katie.
While your observation is quite accurate (I think that is the author's intention) it is worth mentioning things that should lead us to that. I'm going to start with just from the rework for here, then a bit of the old WIAB.
Katie is a teenager, unlike the other characters, she should and has to behave the way she does. She is still a child, who has gone through a traumatic event that she may have caused (we don't know the whole story yet).
Besides, she is written in such a way that you should realize that she doesn't know how to fight, she doesn't have the necessary resources to be at the height of a sarcastic confrontation, she only knows how to give direct blows of “rage”. And this is more noticeable when she is surrounded by other characters, her interactions with Zoey, with Miru, Mon, Dana, all show a girl in essence “good” (with all that that can mean in the WIAB universe) but above all, clueless.
In the old WIAB, she seemed like a hurricane, a force of nature, but seeing her again after the revelation of her story, you should (or that's the intention) see her differently, a hurt girl who didn't really know how to fight, and who needed to walk away so she wouldn't do the same thing again. "I killed my roommate.""everyone hates me, so I hate me, too"
The difference between the two approaches is the time given for things to happen. From the violent turn in the old WIAB to the more serene approach of the new one.
As for the log, we are at the end of January, if the optimistic vision is close to reality (i.e. March/April) we are in time to receive more conclusive news, it is necessary to put an approximate date to those Steam/GoG pages for example.
Still, Ch4 starting where 3 left off will change quite a bit of my opinions, I'm sure.
This is why you can turn it off and play without it.
What, they're not two weeks apart? They're probably more reliable now than they have been.
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Fully agree, this was the point that I was trying to get across, SG does not need to be a Zane story, we have wiaB for that. But theÿ will be part of it.
Regarding lying I too agree with it. I was not talking about the cut of the IC content but since you have brought it up, while I understand his reasons and they are valid, I can't say that is not a let down. IC has all the problems that IC has, and even if it was forces outside of his control it is a let down to the audiences in general. Just imagine the people waiting years to have Miru being fucked by Dylan learning that NTR was cut out of the game, because the branching was too complicated ? I understand it and don't fault Ocean for changing the story - whatever way he does it- but is a letting down.
I will try to answer both Leia and Katie as I fully agree with William. I agree that Katie is more open, but why would she not be ? Was Leia that William abandoned not Katie, if anything Willian coming back is a plus. She can't be fault that he is gone because he is back. Katie does not have grounds to be unhappy with him back beyond holding a childish grudge. And this is with William trying to finding a comon place with her and he has reasons to not liking her. Back to Leia. I also agree but Leia has a reason to be mad at William, she clearly thought she could handle having him around but she doesn't. She was the one that William hurt, she was the one left alone. Sure, does this make being a pimp okay ? No, but it justifes her behavior to William and William tries to get under her skin insted of finding a comon ground as he does with Katie. Only when he learns that Leia give up on living when he left that he tries to understand her. So yes, Leia is a bitch. But she has a reason to be a bitch to William
Mon.
I largely agree. She is more balanced, and of everyone she has the more mature response, but I don't believe that you live with someone and do not fucked that someone even once. That is why that the comment seems off to me. Sure is a awful thing and I get not wanting to talk about it, but at the same time I find odd how she just ignores the whole situation.