VN Ren'Py Where the Heart Is [S1 Rev1] [CheekyGimp]

[ename144]

idleness breeds monsters....

the more time passes and the more I am convinced that Monica is the third heir

from the dramatic point of view is the choice that works more, it involves most of the characters (Katie, Jenna and Zara directly, Lily and Debbie indirectly, Bella and Elaine who had warned MC ...)

this would create for most of the players a highly dramatic situation. it seems to me really too strong a temptation to resist...

Unless Monica has been playing a con so long that both her daughters have bought in for years, I'm not seeing the drama in making her the final heir. If anything, it obviates drama since now half of our money will go to Monica if we wind up staying in contact with her and the girls.

Oh no. What's next, the comfy chair?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Unless Monica has been playing a con so long that both her daughters have bought in for years, I'm not seeing the drama in making her the final heir. If anything, it obviates drama since now half of our money will go to Monica if we wind up staying in contact with her and the girls.

Oh no. What's next, the comfy chair?

you make it a little too easy

if it was Monica it would mean that Elaine's accusation of having hit on Donald would be confirmed, Monica would have completely betrayed the trust of MC's mother and then that of MC himself (there is the suspicion that the third heir knows the conditions of everyone's will)

MC could also forgive her, but it would not be an immediate thing

and it would be a betrayal so deep that it would have repercussions also on the characters close to her, did Katie and Jenna know it? and if they didn't know it, how would they take the news?

If Jolina (or Bella, or Angel) is the third heir, unless we are courting her, the whole thing has very little impact. If Monica is, a lot is questioned.

 

[keefer43]

Unless Monica has been playing a con so long that both her daughters have bought in for years, I'm not seeing the drama in making her the final heir. If anything, it obviates drama since now half of our money will go to Monica if we wind up staying in contact with her and the girls.

Oh no. What's next, the comfy chair?

Poke him with the soft cushions....

 

[Ramen-]

if it was Monica it would mean that Elaine's accusation of having hit on Donald would be confirmed, Monica would have completely betrayed the trust of MC's mother and then that of MC himself (there is the suspicion that the third heir knows the conditions of everyone's will)

1. It would't confirm it, Donald is an asshole who might as well screw people over from his grave.
2. She wouldn't, for her to keep it a secret is only fair, because it allows the MC to make his own choice so he doesn't feel pressured to pick whatever

 

[felicemastronzo]

1. It would't confirm it, Donald is an asshole who might as well screw people over from his grave.
2. She wouldn't, for her to keep it a secret is only fair, because it allows the MC to make his own choice so he doesn't feel pressured to pick whatever

maybe I didn't explain myself well

I didn't say that Monica is the third heir because Donald told how she had tried with him, but that if it turns out that she is the third heir, the gold digger, regardless of Donald's story, it would confirm how she had acted behind MC's mother's back, making one of the worst possible betrayals.

I don't agree with the secrecy, not telling her would only serve to avoid the moral judgment of MC and her daughters. Then, if she knew (as suggested by the lawyer Gregory) the conditions of MC's will, having hosted him so willingly would slip from being a good deed to being a cruel trap.

 

[Ramen-]

maybe I didn't explain myself well

I didn't say that Monica is the third heir because Donald told how she had tried with him, but that if it turns out that she is the third heir, the gold digger, regardless of Donald's story, it would confirm how she had acted behind MC's mother's back, making one of the worst possible betrayals.

Even if she is the third heir it would still not confirm that she is a Gold digger. Donald could just make her the heir to fuck things up even further and cause the most harm.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Even if she is the third heir it would still not confirm that she is a Gold digger. Donald could just make her the heir to fuck things up even further and cause the most harm.

quite improbable...

and anyway in that case not telling MC would be a really unjustifiable move.... perfect only to create mistrust

 

[ename144]

you make it a little too easy

if it was Monica it would mean that Elaine's accusation of having hit on Donald would be confirmed, Monica would have completely betrayed the trust of MC's mother and then that of MC himself (there is the suspicion that the third heir knows the conditions of everyone's will)

MC could also forgive her, but it would not be an immediate thing

and it would be a betrayal so deep that it would have repercussions also on the characters close to her, did Katie and Jenna know it? and if they didn't know it, how would they take the news?

If Jolina (or Bella, or Angel) is the third heir, unless we are courting her, the whole thing has very little impact. If Monica is, a lot is questioned.

Just because Monica is hypothetically the eponymous gold digger, that doesn't mean she was actually digging for gold. Donald is not a reliable narrator. We don't know when her affair would have happened or how she feels about it now. We certainly can't assume Donald told Elaine the truth about Monica making a pass at him just because we learned she slept with him; admitting he instigated it wouldn't exactly inspire Elaine to trust him. It's even possible, as Ramen- said, that Donald may have named her an heir to stir shit up posthumously. Monica being named in the will doesn't automatically make her a villain.

The only that happens is everything about Monica has an a laughably impractical con from day one. If she's the one Greg warned us about and has been orchestrating events for years, then yes, there will be drama. There had also be one hell of an explanation for how that makes a lick of sense given what we know of Monica, the girls, Donald, and the email that kicked this whole thing off.

 

[LionHeart 95]

1. It would't confirm it, Donald is an asshole who might as well screw people over from his grave.
2. She wouldn't, for her to keep it a secret is only fair, because it allows the MC to make his own choice so he doesn't feel pressured to pick whatever

Okay but then all her Teasing comes to play not as love but as deceit. and she stated by her own omission the moment she walked up the stairs she was messing with the MC. Monica would also need a backup plan if he did not fall for her (Monica) she would definitely need him to be with one of her daughters to lock in the MC to forfeiting the will conditions. a lot of ifs for this to happen.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Just because Monica is hypothetically the eponymous gold digger, that doesn't mean she was actually digging for gold. Donald is not a reliable narrator. We don't know when her affair would have happened or how she feels about it now. We certainly can't assume Donald told Elaine the truth about Monica making a pass at him just because we learned she slept with him; admitting he instigated it wouldn't exactly inspire Elaine to trust him. It's even possible, as Ramen- said, that Donald may have named her an heir to stir shit up posthumously. Monica being named in the will doesn't automatically make her a villain.

The only that happens is everything about Monica has an a laughably impractical con from day one. If she's the one Greg warned us about and has been orchestrating events for years, then yes, there will be drama. There had also be one hell of an explanation for how that makes a lick of sense given what we know of Monica, the girls, Donald, and the email that kicked this whole thing off.

the fact that Monica was actually a gold digger, i.e. she was with Donald only for money, would be quite irrelevant, the point would be that she was with her best friend's lousy husband

having said that, that Monica has a complicated econimical situation is a fact, which makes the temptation believable

so much resistance to believe that Monica may have succumbed to the allure of Donald's money, however then it becomes believable that Donald would potentially give her a third of his possessions to play a nasty trick on his son...really?

the email having been sent to all of MC's acquaintances is not significant in any way, Monica was the first to respond... not much to explain

 

[ename144]

the fact that Monica was actually a gold digger, i.e. she was with Donald only for money, would be quite irrelevant, the point would be that she was with her best friend's lousy husband

Again, that depends on further details. If the affair happened after the MC's mom died it would certainly be a case of poor judgement, but not really a betrayal.

having said that, that Monica has a complicated econimical situation is a fact, which makes the temptation believable

so much resistance to believe that Monica may have succumbed to the allure of Donald's money, however then it becomes believable that Donald would potentially give her a third of his possessions to play a nasty trick on his son...really?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. We have virtually no evidence of Monica sleeping with people for money. We have abundant evidence that Donald was a manipulative asshole who liked to mess with people.

the email having been sent to all of MC's acquaintances is not significant in any way, Monica was the first to respond... not much to explain

Not so. We know the MC didn't send an email to Monica before her reply that kicked the game off. Someone sent Monica a fake email (unless we assume Jenna's entire life has also been an act). If Monica has been plotting all this time, why go through the effort of spoofing a bunch of emails (supposedly from the MC) from Jolina's cafe when she could have just emailed the MC directly? And how did she get Elaine on video entering the cafe on the day those emails were sent? It would be a lot of effort to go through for no apparent gain.

EDIT: clarified the email situation.

 

[WhiteyG]

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She is talking about Elaine here not Monica.

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Which two have been trying to get you to let them move into the beach house. Home is Where The Heart Is. Keep them out of the beach house.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Again, that depends on further details. If the affair happened after the MC's mom died it would certainly be a case of poor judgement, but not really a betrayal.


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. We have virtually no evidence of Monica sleeping with people for money. We have abundant evidence that Donald was a manipulative asshole who liked to mess with people.



Not so. We know the MC didn't send an email to Monica before her reply that kicked the game off. Someone sent Monica a fake email (unless we assume Jenna's entire life has also been an act). If Monica has been plotting all this time, why go through the effort of spoofing a bunch of emails (supposedly from the MC) from Jolina's cafe when she could have just emailed the MC directly? And how did she get Elaine on video entering the cafe on the day those emails were sent? It would be a lot of effort to go through for no apparent gain.

EDIT: clarified the email situation.

don't exaggerate what I said

I did not say that Monica would be a prostitute.
Monica is in a complicated econimical situation, she may have felt Donald's allure as a successful man because of the security he would represent to her and the girls. it doesn't seem like such an extreme assumption to me

Successful men have appealed to women since the beginning of time.

on the other hand, to think that Donald, to spite his son, would potentially give a third of his inheritance to a woman he didn't like, seems to me to be a much more extreme assumption.

at any time this (hypothetical) relationship had started however MC could not take it well, Monica knows the harm Donald has done to MC and his mother, she can forgive him but the shock would remain

I repeat: I am not saying that there are particular elements to consider Monica the third heir compared to the other candidates, but that among all the possibilities she would be the one with the most universal impact, and this makes me lean towards her.

I did not understand what you wanted to say about the email, but it seems to me that you have changed your mind.

 

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Which two have been trying to get you to let them move into the beach house. Home is Where The Heart Is. Keep them out of the beach house.

The problem is that like all good soothsayers, her message changes drastically depending on how you interpret it. Like you, I tend to think those clips are talking about Elaine, Bella and Jolina, but if you favor other parts of her spiel they could refer to Monica, Katie/Jenna and Debbie instead.

don't exaggerate what I said

I did not say that Monica would be a prostitute.
Monica is in a complicated econimical situation, she may have felt Donald's allure as a successful man because of the security he would represent to her and the girls. it doesn't seem like such an extreme assumption to me

Successful men have appealed to women since the beginning of time.

on the other hand, to think that Donald, to spite his son, would potentially give a third of his inheritance to a woman he didn't like, seems to me to be a much more extreme assumption.

at any time this (hypothetical) relationship had started however MC could not take it well, Monica knows the harm Donald has done to MC and his mother, she can forgive him but the shock would remain

I repeat: I am not saying that there are particular elements to consider Monica the third heir compared to the other candidates, but that among all the possibilities she would be the one with the most universal impact, and this makes me lean towards her.

I did not understand what you wanted to say about the email, but it seems to me that you have changed your mind.

The impact is universal, but the universal part is fairly limited. If you don't think a mistake in Monica's past merits a scarlet letter, it's really not that big an issue. Again, that changes if we learn Monica has been scheming to rob us this whole time, but that's a very specific subset of Monica being the 3rd heir, with much higher hurdles to overcome.

As far the email goes, my point is that the game kicked off when Monica replied to an email the MC didn't actually send. If Monica is the eventually revealed as the evil schemer, why would she go through the trouble of faking an email from the MC so she could reply to it? She could have sent the MC an unsolicited email saying she heard his dad died and inviting him to come live with her again if he needed a place to crash.

That would have accomplished the same result just as easily (possibly better, since the MC might have decided to stay with one of his other friends who thought he emailed them instead). And I don't see how it would make Monica more suspicious. So unless we think Jenna was in on it and lied about the emails, it seems very unlikely Monica is the viper plotting against us.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The problem is that like all good soothsayers, her message changes drastically depending on how you interpret it. Like you, I tend to think those clips are talking about Elaine, Bella and Jolina, but if you favor other parts of her spiel they could refer to Monica, Katie/Jenna and Debbie instead.



The impact is universal, but the universal part is fairly limited. If you don't think a mistake in Monica's past merits a scarlet letter, it's really not that big an issue. Again, that changes if we learn Monica has been scheming to rob us this whole time, but that's a very specific subset of Monica being the 3rd heir, with much higher hurdles to overcome.

As far the email goes, my point is that the game kicked off when Monica replied to an email the MC didn't actually send. If Monica is the eventually revealed as the evil schemer, why would she go through the trouble of faking an email from the MC so she could reply to it? She could have sent the MC an unsolicited email saying she heard his dad died and inviting him to come live with her again if he needed a place to crash.

That would have accomplished the same result just as easily (possibly better, since the MC might have decided to stay with one of his other friends who thought he emailed them instead). And I don't see how it would make Monica more suspicious. So unless we think Jenna was in on it and lied about the emails, it seems very unlikely Monica is the viper plotting against us.

it is not necessary that Monica has done any dirty work (that would make her the "bad guy" of the story), it is enough that she has been with the man who has ruined the life of her best friend and MC to make her a difficult choice for MC to accept

both if she knows the conditions of the will for MC (either because he tells her or because she discovers them in another way) and if she doesn't know them, in any case she would have had to tell MC that she is also an heir, if he discovers it at the last moment he would have all the reasons not to trust her, to question, rightly or wrongly, all her gestures

to give an example, rationally MC could also understand Elaine's choice to send the email, that objectively was in favor of MC, but instinctively it is still a betrayal, a going behind his back

 

[lordofhirunds]

Not really. If the all the 3 heir menage to meet the condition, the get about 5 million each. If any 2 of them meet the condition and the third doesn't, they get 7.5 million about each. If only one heir meet the condition he/she gets all the money. Only if none of them menages to meet the condition the money goes all to charity.

You are right Machete looking back at the meeting with Elaine Mc says this "Really Elaine is not chasing money? That means a bigger share for me if I fulfill my condition"

 

[Machete]

You are right Machete looking back at the meeting with Elaine Mc says this "Really Elaine is not chasing money? That means a bigger share for me if I fulfill my condition"

Sometimes i think by the end we'll find out that the whole legacy was a complex joke by Donald and the 3 heirs will get a fair share regardless. The dude was a jerk and a control freak.

 

[acewinz]

Sometimes i think by the end we'll find out that the whole legacy was a complex joke by Donald and the 3 heirs will get a fair share regardless.

That'd be a bit anti-climactic. I can let slip that there definitely are Will conditions and that while Donald was a jerk and wrote the will conditions accordingly for the heirs. He did do it with a purpose in mind. And while that purpose may include plenty of assholishness it wasn't just for that.

 

[lordofhirunds]

According to Elaine, the conditions of the will for her are to have no contact and show no affection or anything but indifference and detachment for Mc.
Mc must have no contact whatsoever with Monica and her daughters.
To make this difficult, there is money.
Theresa is a little difficult to be the golddigger while this role fits Angel the model who in her description of the bastard states that he was a widower with a son but that the one he was with was just a companion. She sounds exactly like Donald. Bella is enigmatic, although she says she didn't stop Elaine from kicking Mc out of the house and at the same time she makes Mc doubtful about Monica and tries to make peace with Mc and Elaine. If she is the third in the will, then it is clear that her behavior 5+2.5+2.5 million would go to her and if, as I believe, she is in cahoots with JOLINA she would always get a good share of the will.
Allow me a bit of an odd thought, let's imagine that Bella is planning to play a trick on Donald and make sure she gets her share of the Will and then split it with Elaine and Mc letting them do the exact opposite of what Donald would want and at the same time enjoy his money. If this is the case, then long live BELLA .

 

[felicemastronzo]

According to Elaine, the conditions of the will for her are to have no contact and show no affection or anything but indifference and detachment for Mc.
Mc must have no contact whatsoever with Monica and her daughters.
To make this difficult, there is money.
Theresa is a little difficult to be the golddigger while this role fits Angel the model who in her description of the bastard states that he was a widower with a son but that the one he was with was just a companion. She sounds exactly like Donald. Bella is enigmatic, although she says she didn't stop Elaine from kicking Mc out of the house and at the same time she makes Mc doubtful about Monica and tries to make peace with Mc and Elaine. If she is the third in the will, then it is clear that her behavior 5+2.5+2.5 million would go to her and if, as I believe, she is in cahoots with JOLINA she would always get a good share of the will.
Allow me a bit of an odd thought, let's imagine that Bella is planning to play a trick on Donald and make sure she gets her share of the Will and then split it with Elaine and Mc letting them do the exact opposite of what Donald would want and at the same time enjoy his money. If this is the case, then long live BELLA .

in reality we know that ahnno have to do with a house, it is not clear if it is the house in which she lives (very likely) or another as that to the sea

and through Elaine's mouth we know that if she were to respect the conditions imposed on her, Mc would probably end up hating her.