Which of both MCs do you prefer? (poll)

[Living In A Lewd World]

porn story telling should not follow the same conventions as non porn story telling, and quite frankly i dont think it is even true that in non porn story telling you need some kind of conflict to have a story, what about comedies

i think you have a narrow minded view of what a story can be

Comedy comes often from persons unable to solve their conflicts in a proper manner. Just remember Mr. Bean, who‘s basically constantly struggling with daily life.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Loser every day, if you start off being everything you have nowhere to go. Any RPG that gave you max tier gear at the start would ruin the whole point of the game.

Give me the peasant in a sack cloth any day.

 

[Draim]

Gopnik

 

[tanstaafl]

Loser every day, if you start off being everything you have nowhere to go. Any RPG that gave you max tier gear at the start would ruin the whole point of the game.

Give me the peasant in a sack cloth any day.

Starting gear has nothing to do with the MC being a loser or not. Superchad McGee can start with entry level gear as well. I'm pretty sure the poll is aimed at personality types and/or ntr potential, not violence potential in RPGs.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Starting gear has nothing to do with the MC being a loser or not. Superchad McGee can start with entry level gear as well. I'm pretty sure the poll is aimed at personality types and/or ntr potential, not violence potential in RPGs.

Yes but any game that gives you the choice to start as a king or a beggar I will take the begger. The poll is also extremely narrow in its focus to force only 1 of two options.

If the MC is to turn into 'superchad McGee' then that would form the gameplay, and in order to get there you have to start not there. If the MC is supposed to be lvl 100 then start at 1. Even by the games own standards your starting character is a loser vs your late game character.

Take a harem game.
Start with no women, and a single room
Finish game with 10 waifus and a den of depravity

 

[tanstaafl]

Yes but any game that gives you the choice to start as a king or a beggar I will take the begger. The poll is also extremely narrow in its focus to force only 1 of two options.

If the MC is to turn into 'superchad McGee' then that would form the gameplay, and in order to get there you have to start not there.

Think in terms of VNs then. Pretty sure the poll isn't aimed at the gameplay over story types.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Think in terms of VNs then. Pretty sure the poll isn't aimed at the gameplay over story types.

I dont play VN's they are pointless to me (others can enjoy them I am not saing get rid of them) just for me at that point just watch porn.

Gameplay for me separates porn from porn games & I personally have no interest in male beauty, I am looking at the T&A - its a porn game.

"Games often feature a kind of "loser" MC who gets girls either by 'magic dick' or by ridiculous circumstances. Do people prefer that or do the devs just don't know how to write a convincingly attractive MC?"

How do you make an interesting game with a 'convincingly attractive' MC interesting 'hey baby can I have your number'. That just devolves into a fantasized version of what 'attractive' guys get up too, which is starting to get into homoerotic land or at the very least a power-fantasy on par with a magic wand. Just one is a fun game mechanic, the other is 'look at my face and abs'.

If anything someone conventionally attractive running into any issues in obtaining a date is more of a loser than the other guy overcoming the fact he is 4 feet tall and smells of cheese.

And if you are unequally interested in what they look like from a pron perspective, give me the better gameplay trope.

I can understand women wanting an MC inline with erotic fiction, but there is a reason 70% of that fiction is consumed by women. And the 'i am here to deliver a pizza' is watched predominantly by guys.

 

[tanstaafl]

I dont play VN's they are pointless to me (others can enjoy them I am not saing get rid of them) just for me at that point just watch porn.

Gameplay for me separates porn from porn games & I personally have no interest in male beauty, I am looking at the T&A - its a porn game.

"Games often feature a kind of "loser" MC who gets girls either by 'magic dick' or by ridiculous circumstances. Do people prefer that or do the devs just don't know how to write a convincingly attractive MC?"

How do you make an interesting game with a 'convincingly attractive' MC interesting 'hey baby can I have your number'. That just devolves into a fantasized version of what 'attractive' guys get up too, which is starting to get into homoerotic land or at the very least a power-fantasy on par with a magic wand. Just one is a fun game mechanic, the other is 'look at my face and abs'.

If anything someone conventionally attractive running into any issues in obtaining a date is more of a loser than the other guy overcoming the fact he is 4 feet tall and smells of cheese.

Not arguing with you or your preferences, just pointing out what this thread is about.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Not arguing with you or your preferences, just pointing out what this thread is about.

And I am answering inline with the question - if the player has 0 interested in male attractiveness as they are there for pixel T&A, adding anything that focuses on how 'hot' the (male) MC is is getting in the way at best, getting a tad homoerotic/female perspective at worse (or best if thats your jam).

The conventionally hot guy is riddled throughout female erotic fiction for a reason

 

[tanstaafl]

And I am answering inline with the question - if the player has 0 interested in male attractiveness as they are there for pixel T&A, adding anything that focuses on how 'hot' the (male) MC is is getting in the way at best, getting a tad homoerotic/female perspective at worse (or best if thats your jam).

The conventionally hot guy is riddled throughout female erotic fiction for a reason

Disagree. From a story perspective the MC needs to match the narrative. You can't have a loser MC believably in a netori story about seducing all the neighborhoods women just like you can't have the superchad MC in a story about a guy that gets cucked daily. Us story types care about continuity.

Edit: Well you can, but it changes what is required in the narrative. But you get my point.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Disagree. From a story perspective the MC needs to match the narrative. You can't have a loser MC believably in a netori story about seducing all the neighborhoods women just like you can't have the superchad MC in a story about a guy that gets cucked daily. Us story types care about continuity.

And a housewife drawing the attention of the neighborhood superchad who proceeds to turn his steely gaze, chiselled abs and charismatic personality towards pursuing her is very much a female fantasy.

male fantasy is (generally) something something look at that this 10/10 woman has no clothes on & wants to go for a ride. Thats why so many games have corruption, or hypnoses, or extremely artificially sped up romance to speedrun getting to the T&A part. I mean most slow burn games have an intro or something where the MC 'remembers what T&A looks like' to hold the player over till the gameplay reaches that point in the game.

There are exceptions to every rule, but a rule is generally true

 

[tanstaafl]

And a housewife drawing the attention of the neighborhood superchad who proceeds to turn his steely gaze, chiselled abs and charismatic personality towards pursuing her is very much a female fantasy.

male fantasy is (generally) something something look at that this 10/10 woman has no clothes on & wants to go for a ride. Thats why so many games have corruption, or hypnoses, or extremely artificially sped up romance to speedrun getting to the T&A part. I mean most slow burn games have an intro or something where the MC 'remembers what T&A looks like' to hold the player over till the gameplay reaches that point in the game.

There are exceptions to every rule, but a rule is generally true

You worry entirely too much about that kind of thing. I swear it almost comes off like you aren't secure with yourself. Because it sounds a lot like you just said a story about a not-loser that steals all the women in a neighborhood from their husbands is a female fantasy. That can't be what you said though, because that would be too absurd.

Edit: Real example. Your statement would indicate that the game Away From Home is a female fantasy game. Do you think that game is a female oriented game?

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

You worry entirely too much about that kind of thing. I swear it almost comes off like you aren't secure with yourself.

On the contrary. I read some some of that female erotic fiction to see if anything happened. I even read twilight because I was reliabley told it was 'good'. Sadly did nothing for me

I like games where there's more game - quests, adventures, item gathering & an added bonus of taking the hot shopkeepers clothes off.

Is what it is, but for me that requires a loser start so you have a game to play.

 

[tanstaafl]

On the contrary. I read some some of that female erotic fiction to see if anything happened. I even read twilight because I was reliabley told it was 'good'. Sadly did nothing for me

I like games where there's more game - quests, adventures, item gathering & an added bonus of taking the hot shopkeepers clothes off.

Is what it is, but for me that requires a loser start so you have a game to play.

Someone lied to you about twilight. Oof. Also I added some edits to my post you may have missed as you were posting this.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

Edit: Real example. Your statement would indicate that the game Away From Home is a female fantasy game. Do you think that game is a female oriented game?

Never played it - 3dcg & VN combo of tags not really enticing to me, my answer would depend on how quickly do those images of giant T&A start turning up, and are their early 'glimpses' to hold the player over till 'seduction' is complete.

Someone lied to you about twilight.

I wasn't holding high hopes, won me a bet though & gave me weeks worth of fuel to tease someone

 

[tanstaafl]

The T&A start showing up fairly quickly, but, per the story, it takes some seduction before you start landing it. The MC of the game is certainly not a loser, but he isn't a superchad either. I'd put him at just entering "chad" level.

 

[suprisedcrankyface]

The T&A start showing up fairly quickly, but, per the story, it takes some seduction before you start landing it. The MC of the game is certainly not a loser, but he isn't a superchad either. I'd put him at just entering "chad" level.

Based on limited intel there would consider it a guy game
-Min chad is still not billionaire playboy (so an average Joe given the nature of the story) & the T&A is for the visual stimulation to maintain interest before progressing to more full on porn (and from the images its very unrealistic in terms of 'seduction') to see alot of that in that manner that early.

EDIT: to the point what does the the character in Away From Home do that would be considered conventionally attractive?

 

[tanstaafl]

to the point what does the the character in Away From Home do that would be considered conventionally attractive?

What does he do that is considered conventionally attractive? Or are you asking if he is conventionally attractive?

To answer the first part; he helps solve mysteries, gives swimming lessons, takes a job for a neighbor (that turns out to contribute to the mystery solving part), helps out several women (heh, heh).

One of the "choices" in the game is how the MC treats his cousin. The cousin is a nerd/gamer who's a bit of an introvert. The MC can smack the shit out of him and fuck his mom (MC's aunt) in front of him, or be nice to him and share one of MCs girls with him.

As for the second part; Is he conventionally attractive? Subjective. Also, it's daz so...meh on that front since most devs only put real effort into female models. But it does look like he fits the general stereotype of an attractive male. Meaning he's fit, taller than other males in the game, clean, symmetrical features, etc.

 

[MWPA78]

Gopnik

 

[balitz Method]

I have a hard time believing that anyone actually prefers the main character to be a loser to the extent that some games go.