Why aren't there more reverse NTR games?

[ChaosOpen]

For those of you who don't know, "reverse NTR" is not stealing a girl from another man, that is netori. Reverse NTR is basically netorare with the genders swapped. Essentially, a girl being cuckolded.

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is probably the best example of this but this game ruins the experience because the MC never fully goes along with it and is constantly trying to escape and revert to a monogamous relationship up until the very end no matter which route you choose, even during the sex scenes he can't shut up about how guilty he feels.

I will admit that I do have a bit of a sadistic streak but not so hardcore that I enjoy rape or torture, but it's still there. So, the scenario of a girl being cucked is an idea I'd like to see explored properly at least once.

 

[Mimir's Lab]

That's actually one of my favorite fetishes: having the MC fuck another girl while a girl watches. Bonus points if the girl getting fucked talks trash to the one watching, and more so if the MC gets in on it. I also really enjoy it when the MC seduces other women and bring them back to get cucked by the MC fucking the FMC.

But yeah, there are some paths in the game I'm currently developing that are pretty heavy on this fetish.

 

[IdleGuy]

Because it's hard.

Writing a good stealing story means your character needs to be charming. Which is hard to do. Especially for a lot of developers who, let's say this in the kindest way possible, aren't that familiar with wooing ladies.

This is also why, despite being very common, NTR in most games is pretty bad. It's pretty hackneyed, relying on either raping-until-love, the wife just being a slut or black people. It's a lot harder for the protagonist to do this because they either A) become less charming and/or a lot harder to sell (on legal platforms), B) a black protagonist is apparently a very hard sell, especially if it's the "yo where the white women at" variant which endears itself to neither a white or black audience.

Edit: Oh wait, you're just talking about cuckqueens.

 

[khumak]

I'm surprised as well that there are not more games like that. I enjoy that fetish as well. There are a TON of games where a male MC can build himself a harem and fuck every girl in the game, but it's very rare for his SO to be convinced that she's turned on by him cheating. It seems like either MC has to cheat without being caught, or if she catches him she gets pissed off by it even if she's cheating on him as well with his knowledge.

It seems like almost all of the games where a SO is turned on by their partner cheating, it's the male MC being turned on by his female SO cheating which holds no interest for me unless it's a swinger type situation where they're both into orgies or taking turns making each other jealous or something. If it's 1 sided with the male always on the losing side, no interest.

 

[Daxter250]

For those of you who don't know, "reverse NTR" is not stealing a girl from another man, that is netori. Reverse NTR is basically netorare with the genders swapped. Essentially, a girl being cuckolded.

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is probably the best example of this but this game ruins the experience because the MC never fully goes along with it and is constantly trying to escape and revert to a monogamous relationship up until the very end no matter which route you choose, even during the sex scenes he can't shut up about how guilty he feels.

I will admit that I do have a bit of a sadistic streak but not so hardcore that I enjoy rape or torture, but it's still there. So, the scenario of a girl being cucked is an idea I'd like to see explored properly at least once.

ya know, i would actually play such a game. the idea behind it is still rarely used and works damn well for porn games, 'cause you can basically fuck several girls while your GF watches you (which should work for everyone who actually hates traditional NTR), letting you experience NTR in a totally new perspective. now you are the one fucking others while your GF is watching you. how will you feel about it? how will ya act when fucking an unknown girl while your GF is getting off to it? how does it effect relationship? this is not a harem story anymore, it's a one sided open relationship. that stuff could make some interesting games.

 

[ChaosOpen]

That's actually one of my favorite fetishes: having the MC fuck another girl while a girl watches. Bonus points if the girl getting fucked talks trash to the one watching, and more so if the MC gets in on it. I also really enjoy it when the MC seduces other women and bring them back to get cucked by the MC fucking the FMC.

I'd love to see

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played out in long form.

But yeah, there are some paths in the game I'm currently developing that are pretty heavy on this fetish.

You have my attention. Is there a way to keep track of that so I know when you'll release it?

 

[ChaosOpen]

ya know, i would actually play such a game. the idea behind it is still rarely used and works damn well for porn games, 'cause you can basically fuck several girls while your GF watches you (which should work for everyone who actually hates traditional NTR), letting you experience NTR in a totally new perspective. now you are the one fucking others while your GF is watching you. how will you feel about it? how will ya act when fucking an unknown girl while your GF is getting off to it? how does it effect relationship? this is not a harem story anymore, it's a one sided open relationship. that stuff could make some interesting games.

The problem with this game and other cheating games is the male is never into it. With traditional NTR the girl is absorbed in the sex and really having fun, often joining in when the cucker is making fun of the cuck. However, in anything where the man is cheating on his girl be it NTR or just running around behind her back, it's a constantly running monologue about his guilt trip. I couldn't really fap to it because every scene I was thinking: "dude, it's the middle of a sexy H-scene where you're banging a hot girl while your girlfriend is clearly getting off to it, now isn't the best time for you to lay out your emotional baggage."

 

[Daxter250]

The problem with this game and other cheating games is the male is never into it. With traditional NTR the girl is absorbed in the sex and really having fun, often joining in when the cucker is making fun of the cuck. However, in anything where the man is cheating on his girl be it NTR or just running around behind her back, it's a constantly running monologue about his guilt trip. I couldn't really fap to it because every scene I was thinking: "dude, it's the middle of a sexy H-scene where you're banging a hot girl while your girlfriend is clearly getting off to it, now isn't the best time for you to lay out your emotional baggage."

yep, should be up to the player how the mc should feel about it. taking away the players decision will make a game with this kind of NTR practically useless. what if i want to enjoy that scene? what if i don't give a fuck about guiltyness? what if i actually want to go further than that (like taking things further to absolute humiliation and so on)? the things could be endless here, yet taking away all of that for a pathetic route where the MC just whines about how guilty he feels is unsatisfying.

 

[ChaosOpen]

yep, should be up to the player how the mc should feel about it. taking away the players decision will make a game with this kind of NTR practically useless. what if i want to enjoy that scene? what if i don't give a fuck about guiltyness? what if i actually want to go further than that (like taking things further to absolute humiliation and so on)? the things could be endless here, yet taking away all of that for a pathetic route where the MC just whines about how guilty he feels is unsatisfying.

There are 43 sex scenes(it's a long game), every one of which the protagonist manages to ruin, but it's not like there are alternatives, so it's either that or nothing. However, it's written like the writer strongly disapproves of this fetish and wants you to know it.

It's really disappointing, NTR fans seems to have a constant stream of NTR hentai that nails their fetish to a tee but the only reverse NTR that is "true netorare" spends the whole game on a diatribe about how this is bad and you should feel bad for enjoying it.

 

[khumak]

The problem with this game and other cheating games is the male is never into it. With traditional NTR the girl is absorbed in the sex and really having fun, often joining in when the cucker is making fun of the cuck. However, in anything where the man is cheating on his girl be it NTR or just running around behind her back, it's a constantly running monologue about his guilt trip. I couldn't really fap to it because every scene I was thinking: "dude, it's the middle of a sexy H-scene where you're banging a hot girl while your girlfriend is clearly getting off to it, now isn't the best time for you to lay out your emotional baggage."

I suspect the reason for this is probably some variation on what I've run into myself when trying to add NTR to my own mod. In my case I strongly dislike NTR when playing (MC having "his girl(s)" stolen from him by a rival, especially if there is humiliation, physical restraint, or mocking involved). By contrast, I do enjoy playing as a male MC who is cheating on his female SO with her knowledge but for me the real turn on only happens if she gets off on watching it and actively encourages it. I also like games where I play as a male MC and my female SO cheats on me with a female or even femdom stuff as long as there are no other guys involved. Lastly I also do enjoy playing as a MC who steal's some rival guy's SO.

So the strong dislike I have when playing it as a male character had me initially torn about how or whether I was going to be able to develop for it. What I discovered though is that while I tend to unconsciously imagine myself as the MC when playing as a male, when developing I can imagine myself as ANY male character including the rival/villain/whatever. So that takes care of 1 aspect that I don't like (having "my girl" stolen from me). The other aspect that I strongly dislike though is the humiliation/restraint/mocking aspect and I found that I dislike that no matter who it's happening to. So the scenes that I end up developing are set up so MC finds out he likes watching it and at worst maybe there is some light teasing about it, no humiliation/etc. I find that it also makes it easier if there is some sort of swinger type aspect to it where he's watching it with another girl and they both get off on it.

So for instance maybe MC and his wife invite MC's buddy over along with his wife. MC's buddy ends up fucking MC's wife while the other 2 watch. They both get turned on and give each other at least some token stimulation while watching even if they're not going as far as the other 2. That type of scene I would not enjoy playing but I would enjoy developing.

My reasoning for wanting a way to develop NTR is actually mostly just as a plot device. In an adult game where there is an adversary, NTR type content strikes me as the best way to "punish" a player for making bad decisions or losing on purpose. Instead of getting some abrupt game over/bad ending, bad decisions put him on a path where the "bad guy" wins and in an adult game it kind of makes sense that that means he steals your girl. To me that adds value to a game even if you don't like NTR because even if you intend to avoid it, it's there as a threat adding tension and urgency to your decisions.

You're playing to defeat the bad guy and get the girl.

 

[Mimir's Lab]

You have my attention. Is there a way to keep track of that so I know when you'll release it?

I'm slated for a first release in 1-2 months. I think if you follow my profile, it should let you know when I post something.

 

[khumak]

For those of you who don't know, "reverse NTR" is not stealing a girl from another man, that is netori. Reverse NTR is basically netorare with the genders swapped. Essentially, a girl being cuckolded.

You must be registered to see the links

is probably the best example of this but this game ruins the experience because the MC never fully goes along with it and is constantly trying to escape and revert to a monogamous relationship up until the very end no matter which route you choose, even during the sex scenes he can't shut up about how guilty he feels.

I will admit that I do have a bit of a sadistic streak but not so hardcore that I enjoy rape or torture, but it's still there. So, the scenario of a girl being cucked is an idea I'd like to see explored properly at least once.

I've always wondered why this particular genre is so under utilized as well. There are similar fetishes that are very popular but for the most part if you look for porn that involves cheating, voyeurism, getting caught, etc, it's usually the man being cheated on. There's plenty of NTR/Cuck stuff out there where the guy watches his wife/GF/whoever fuck another guy either willingly or not, but there is almost nothing where the woman watches her hubby/BF fuck another girl unless she's going to immediately join in and make it a threesome.

If you want exhibitionism or voyeurism pretty much your only option is to watch a guy being cheated on. Some of my favorite scenes are the rare ones where you have something like a sister who catches her brother banging his GF, hides in the doorway and just masturbates while she watches. Don't get me wrong, I love FFM stuff as well but sometimes I want more of a voyeurism scene that doesn't involve another dude.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

Im going to start by saying NTR is...not my cup'a tea to be polite about it. Honestly i wish there was a fairly sizable amount of good artists/designers ok with enough fetishes to make enough games for everyone there are plenty of them I never get to enjoy properly because no one (At least hardly no one english speaking) is making games for those fetishes. For what little im sure its worth OP you little sadist you that you find a good NTR game well done. That said I wont look buuut if I come across one that sounds like what you wanted I'll post a link here....or maybe just pm you. XD

 

[Sasuke92]

Isn't reverse NTR just female cuckolding?

There are games with some scenes where a girl is blowing or fucking you behind your gf's back and she likes it but haven't come across a game where the said girl is publicly doing it infront of your gf and humiliating her in the process like saying how she's better at sucking dick etc

 

[ChaosOpen]

Isn't reverse NTR just female cuckolding?

Yes.

There are games with some scenes where a girl is blowing or fucking you behind your gf's back and she likes it but haven't come across a game where the said girl is publicly doing it infront of your gf and humiliating her in the process like saying how she's better at sucking dick etc

That is why I created this thread.

 

[ChaosOpen]

Im going to start by saying NTR is...not my cup'a tea to be polite about it. Honestly i wish there was a fairly sizable amount of good artists/designers ok with enough fetishes to make enough games for everyone there are plenty of them I never get to enjoy properly because no one (At least hardly no one english speaking) is making games for those fetishes. For what little im sure its worth OP you little sadist you that you find a good NTR game well done. That said I wont look buuut if I come across one that sounds like what you wanted I'll post a link here....or maybe just pm you. XD

Personally, I'm not a sadist to the point where I want to hurt people or see people be hurt. I think it's important for both parties to enjoy the experience, which is why I prefer scenarios like in

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where he is fulfilling her wish for S&M rather than something like Euphoria where he is just being cruel. After all, in S&M play, the most important factor is trust, the M has to trust that the S will not do anything to harm them and the S has the hardest job of not still satisfying the M without betraying that trust. And when I see it happening it turns me off; I'm a sadist, not a psychopath.

So, in a perfect game, I'd prefer to put myself in the role of the S male protagonist fulfilling the wishes of a female M. So, something like NTR... I really have no desire to see the male play the role of M nor do I want to see someone humiliated or be otherwise cruel to the person without their consent. And when it I see games/hentai where the cuck is simply cheated on and forced to watch, it makes me want to put my first through my monitor. Especially since I have a habit of identifying with the protagonist

Another thing, while I understand the appeal of NTR to masochist, I'd sooner watch furry vore than have to sit through NTR. Of course, this probably begs the question: "so why would you like it if the positions were reversed?" Which I'd have to answer that it is fantasy, it's not something I would ask for nor would I expect it to ever happen, but it's interesting enough to imagine "what if." However, since there is currently nothing like that, (I haven't found it in any doujinshi, video hentai, web novels, nor visual novels that feature it) it would be nice to see it done at least once.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

Personally, I'm not a sadist to the point where I want to hurt people or see people be hurt. I think it's important for both parties to enjoy the experience, which is why I prefer scenarios like in

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where he is fulfilling her wish for S&M rather than something like Euphoria where he is just being cruel. After all, in S&M play, the most important factor is trust, the M has to trust that the S will not do anything to harm them and the S has the hardest job of not still satisfying the M without betraying that trust. And when I see it happening it turns me off; I'm a sadist, not a psychopath.

So, in a perfect game, I'd prefer to put myself in the role of the S male protagonist fulfilling the wishes of a female M. So, something like NTR... I really have no desire to see the male play the role of M nor do I want to see someone humiliated or be otherwise cruel to the person without their consent. And when it I see games/hentai where the cuck is simply cheated on and forced to watch, it makes me want to put my first through my monitor. Especially since I have a habit of identifying with the protagonist

Another thing, while I understand the appeal of NTR to masochist, I'd sooner watch furry vore than have to sit through NTR. Of course, this probably begs the question: "so why would you like it if the positions were reversed?" Which I'd have to answer that it is fantasy, it's not something I would ask for nor would I expect it to ever happen, but it's interesting enough to imagine "what if." However, since there is currently nothing like that, (I haven't found it in any doujinshi, video hentai, web novels, nor visual novels that feature it) it would be nice to see it done at least once.

You I like, your reasonable if a bit long winded (But arent we all?) and tell it like it is rather than your beliefs on the matter....well you do that too but they just happen to also be the best answer.

 

[desmosome]

I would like to see something like this:
Male MC - Asshole, playboy, handsome, magnum dong.
Female MC - infatuated, timid, shy, closet nympho, submisstive.
First you see the guy pick this girl up. He is nice to her and all that. He then gets bored of her, but the girl is so in love with this guy that she can't leave him even though she knows he is cheating and treating her like shit. Eventually, she is forced to sit through it and secretly comes to enjoy it. Then she openly enjoys being humiliated and they live happily ever after.


The true reverse NTR would probably be something like a this. Normal inexperienced couple. Guy gets seduced by some Gyaru. He gets corrupted. Girl is devested. Fin.

 

[ChaosOpen]

You I like, your reasonable if a bit long winded (But arent we all?) and tell it like it is rather than your beliefs on the matter....well you do that too but they just happen to also be the best answer.

Sorry about that, but whenever I tell people I am a sadist they tend to believe that I enjoy hurting people or watching them be hurt when that is FAR from the truth. While there are no doubt plenty of people who actually enjoy watching people being hurt, raped, tortured, or otherwise cruelty in general. I personally enjoy the feedback from the M, I'd say the M's reaction is the entire reason I do anything, her having a mix of apprehension and excitement about my next move, that is what I look forward to.

 

[Chaos La Croix]

Sorry about that, but whenever I tell people I am a sadist they tend to believe that I enjoy hurting people or watching them be hurt when that is FAR from the truth. While there are no doubt plenty of people who actually enjoy watching people being hurt, raped, tortured, or otherwise cruelty in general. I personally enjoy the feedback from the M, I'd say the M's reaction is the entire reason I do anything, her having a mix of apprehension and excitement about my next move, that is what I look forward to.

There are plenty of kinds of sadists right? Same as Masochists and Sado-Masochists there is more than one way to do that stuff. Also People can be stupid, some cant differentiate between rumors and fact, and some cant differentiate between reality and fantasy....Frankly in my experience far more are like that even on here than logical reasonable people.