Why is there no general interest in Dominant female protagonist who corrupts

[mrboom90]

Hi guys. Slightly new to posting to start an open discussion, but after being an user of f95zone for over 3 years was seeing some usual trend and was wondering!!

Why no one has created a true dominant female protagonist who slowly corrupts submissive males. Every submissive male corruption game usually will have the male as the protagonist. That leads to a really disappointing gameplay where u as the protagonist needs to make idiotic decisions yourself to make the story move forward. And there will be some cliche with brain washing or hypnotism as well. This ruins the fun of corruption/blackmail and u don't get the satisfaction. And the corruption and humiliations are usual cliches like boot licking, extreme femdom etc. There is real few games where the male is dominated by a female, as female is dominated by male. There is no perverseness in the female to use the males body as a tool satisfy her sexual desire. No desire to expose their body parts to satisfy their thirst to see a young nude body parts.

The only 2 games where I seen where there is at least slight perverseness for corrupting/dominating males are in trap time and schoolgirls vs elite teacher . It would be great to see domination on males by females in similar pattern(can take that pattern to a whole new level though, that pattern of domination is still at the infancy for some reason). Having that type of domination on normal classic slow corruption games like big brother , man of the house , headmaster , annies school days with gender reversed having a strong female protagonist and feminine, shy submissive young males would be mind blowing.

Coming back to the question, was hoping to get the opinion of the members on 2 things

1)Is there no appetite on strong dominant female protagonists who is actually a true mirror of its male counterpart(like the headmaster, annies teacher, big brother etc)? and if so why?
2)Is there no appetite on dominating/slow corrupting men in similar fashion to which is done a female(like the school girls in annies and the headmaster, roommates in big brother and man of the house) and if so why?


Would love to get your guys thoughts.
Thanks mrboom

 

[Meaning Less]

Probably because by your description it is a game that appeals to an audience that would want to see men being corrupted.

That brings two issues:
-you eliminate a big chunk of female protag fans that are there to see the protagonist being fucked and not other men.
-you eliminate a big chunk of gay fans because the protag is female and that limits the amount of male on male scenes.

I'm sure a game like that could work and find its audience as well, but I also understand why we don't see many examples of it, most games that I've seen to support something similar are in fact multiple protag games, as that offers a more optimal reach.

 

[desmosome]

It's as simple as porn being mostly for men.

If some dude is into femdom and roleplaying as a sub, well, they will probably want a male protag that gets dominated.

And everyone else who is not into femdom mostly wants to see the female being dominated or just vanilla stuff.

As far as I can tell, hard femdom specific game like the one you are suggesting will probably not even appeal to the majority of women. The mass appeal games for women are Otome games.

But there is an audience for "strong female protagonist" that doesn't get raped in every alley. I'm just not sure if that group is also into hard femdom stuff you are talking about.

 

[Jack Madrigal]

that's a good observation, there are some strong female protag but they usually are meant to be broken and bent into submission, I think it's based on familiar character attribute as it's more "natural" for a male protag to dominate and corrupt,

so I would think it can totally be done... but there's a major roadblock, as of today it's pretty much ok for MC to be a sociopath, it's established, it's a cultural thing now, but it would require twice more work to make it a female as it's "unusual" it wouldn't get the same "established" reception and be met with other expectations, it would need substantially more work and she would need to be perfectly written, so she doesn't come out as an annoying insufferable and illegitimate boss-bitch.

but it would be great, id' love to see some novelty.

 

[mrboom90]

Probably because by your description it is a game that appeals to an audience that would want to see men being corrupted.

That brings two issues:
-you eliminate a big chunk of female protag fans that are there to see the protagonist being fucked and not other men.
-you eliminate a big chunk of gay fans because the protag is female and that limits the amount of male on male scenes.

I'm sure a game like that could work and find its audience as well, but I also understand why we don't see many examples of it, most games that I've seen to support something similar are in fact multiple protag games, as that offers a more optimal reach.

Valid points

 

[mrboom90]

It's as simple as porn being mostly for men.

I completely agree with that point

If some dude is into femdom and roleplaying as a sub, well, they will probably want a male protag that gets dominated.

But that's where I see there can be an untapped audience. A dude who is into being submissive, what currently is offered to them, in my opinion is not much great of a choice. In those male protag games, you have to make irrational or borderline dumb decisions to progress the game, which in my opinion seems counter-intuitive.

It is the same logic as why certain portion of the audience who likes to corrupt woman, would love to do as a male protag. There the choices become in the point of view that you have to make the 'winning' or 'smart' steps to achieve what you wish.

And also usually female domination in the male-protag games in my opinion is most of the times from the female gaze. I don't see true reverse of male domination/corruption( annies school days , headmaster , big brother ) from the male gaze. The 2 slight exceptions i saw are like i mentioned trap time and schoolgirls vs elite teacher

I was wondering if there market in the demo of 'dude is into femdom and roleplaying as a sub' for the above mentioned theme

And everyone else who is not into femdom mostly wants to see the female being dominated or just vanilla stuff.

As far as I can tell, hard femdom specific game like the one you are suggesting will probably not even appeal to the majority of women. The mass appeal games for women are Otome games.

Thats true

But there is an audience for "strong female protagonist" that doesn't get raped in every alley. I'm just not sure if that group is also into hard femdom stuff you are talking about.

 

[mrboom90]

that's a good observation, there are some strong female protag but they usually are meant to be broken and bent into submission, I think it's based on familiar character attribute as it's more "natural" for a male protag to dominate and corrupt,

so I would think it can totally be done... but there's a major roadblock, as of today it's pretty much ok for MC to be a sociopath, it's established, it's a cultural thing now, but it would require twice more work to make it a female as it's "unusual" it wouldn't get the same "established" reception and be met with other expectations, it would need substantially more work and she would need to be perfectly written, so she doesn't come out as an annoying insufferable and illegitimate boss-bitch.

but it would be great, id' love to see some novelty.

Yup you are right. The major roadblock is because of it's more "natural" for a male protag to dominate/corrupt and for a male mc to be a sociopath.

And you nailed it in the head, it needs to be well written for her not to come of as insufferable and illegitimate boss-bitch

 

[F4C430]

Q: Why is there not more ______?
A: Because demand is too low and/or people who are making games aren't interested in it.

 

[woody554]

"I'm going to abuse you until you pin me down and fuck me 'til I can't walk".

I mean how is it even supposed to work? is the mc supposed to be an ugly bastard who forces pretty boys to fuck her? because if she's hot like ofc she's gonna be, why does she even need to corrupt men? are they supposed to be monks or devoted husbands who won't do it unless corrupted?

like what is the main game mechanic here? I get that reverse rape happens irl, but it seems like a very mild theme to build a game around, doesn't it?

 

[Nadekai]

Low Demand.
Even though I would like femdom femtag.

 

[Jaike]

"I'm going to abuse you until you pin me down and fuck me 'til I can't walk".

I mean how is it even supposed to work? is the mc supposed to be an ugly bastard who forces pretty boys to fuck her? because if she's hot like ofc she's gonna be, why does she even need to corrupt men? are they supposed to be monks or devoted husbands who won't do it unless corrupted?

like what is the main game mechanic here? I get that reverse rape happens irl, but it seems like a very mild theme to build a game around, doesn't it?

Easy peasy.


But it doesn't have to be about corruption into sex or into a sexual role, though the OP's focus is on femdom, it could be about moral corruption through sex. Or demotion, status degeneration.

 

[mrboom90]

"I'm going to abuse you until you pin me down and fuck me 'til I can't walk".

I mean how is it even supposed to work? is the mc supposed to be an ugly bastard who forces pretty boys to fuck her? because if she's hot like ofc she's gonna be, why does she even need to corrupt men? are they supposed to be monks or devoted husbands who won't do it unless corrupted?

like what is the main game mechanic here? I get that reverse rape happens irl, but it seems like a very mild theme to build a game around, doesn't it?

Sure. It does goes against the normal perception that if a hot girl want to have sex with a guy, would the guy ever dislike it. In order for it to work, the libido should be reversed. It should be the female protag that is full of libido and male submissive is more effeminate and shy. For that male characters can be young adults who may be virgins, brought up in conservative way, who are not mature about sex. They can also be closeted gays. Where as the female protag would be a little bit older early 30's, sexually mature. The age difference, difference in sexual maturity, even power dynamics can make the mechanic more seamless i hope. Definitely agree that things are not like this irl, but again lot of the situations that happen in games are not exactly what happens irl.

 

[RikkaNoodles]

I believe the answer is as simple as "a game dev hasn't made it yet". I can't speak for all but I would be interested if someone were to make it.

 

[Meaning Less]

because if she's hot like ofc she's gonna be, why does she even need to corrupt men? are they supposed to be monks or devoted husbands who won't do it unless corrupted?

Maybe they are all gay? That way their 'corruption' would be being forced into pussy.

They could also be all ntr haters being forced into a reverse harem

 

[mrboom90]

Imagine a story like big brother or man of the house . Instead the young adult being the protagonist you can have the land lord or the step mother as the protag but with boosted libido. There can be two submissive, Effeminate, sexually immature young adults. One can even be closeted gay. And 2 female roommates like in the OG games.

There could be a lot of scenes from big brother or man of the house that can be literally be reversed in my opinion

1. Instead of the boy sexually groping the step mom's back while she is trying reach for basket, the sexually mature and frustrated land lord can be groping young males back as she is craving for young body, while young boy feels uneasy towards it. In the same scene instead of boy making the stepmom fall on him and using the chance to copping her breasts, u can have the landlord knocking the boy down on her, giving the opportunity for her to feel the young tenants balls and genitals or pinch his nipples.
2. The scene in Man of the house where the boy gives the landlord wine, get her buzzed, then massages and gropes her leg while she is in a towel and the boy spreading her legs slowly apart to see her vagina. Think about it in reverse, the landlord gets the virgin tenant boy drunk, offers him massage while he is in bathing towel, delights at the opportunity to grope young tenants legs and spreads his legs to see his dick and balls. And then the sudden shy tenant realizing he is exposed and trying to cross his legs to cover up
3. The sleep sex scene in the man of the house, where the tenant breaks into land lords room, slowly progressively removes different layers of clothes and molests and explores the land lords body can now be reversed. The land lord breaks into tenants room in progressive stages removes his shorts, tshirt, boxers etc. explores his body like spreading his asshole, spreading his legs(optional peels his foreskin if he is uncircumcised) and molests him by licking his nipples fingering his asshole, sucking his cock etc.
4. The sleep scene is Man of the house where the tenant sleeps naked with his door open to make his sexually tease his landlord can now be easily reversed. The landlord sleeps naked in provocative position with door open(this sexual teasing can be done other ways than sleeping as well), for the young sexually immature tenant to see(he may be a virgin and may-not seen a woman naked before) leading him to have sexual feelings he can't comprehend and which he making him feel and can slowly corrupt
5. The yoga scene in the man of the house where land lord teaches the tenant yoga and uses that to allow the tenant sexually grope the land lord in almost every possible way can now be, the landlord tricking the tenant to start learning yoga and as part of land lord teaching the tenant, uses that opportunity to sexually grope, molest in every way possible and spread and expose the tenants body which satisfies all the desires of landlord on exploring and watching the young male body
6. The route in the man of the house where you blackmail your stuck-up roommate by getting incriminating details about her occupation and using that to blackmail her to expose herself in skimpy outfits and making her pose/perform humiliating tasks exposing her body. And the continuation of that route where u make her ur sex-slave, spank her, tease her, violate her etc, can be reversed. The land lord can now blackmail the rude nerd young tenant, who she may find evidence is pirating/or doing illegal things. She can force him to dress in skimpy outfits(even cross-dress), make him pose/perform humiliating tasks exposing his body. And make him her sex-slave, spank him, tease him, violate him etc. The one minor thing i would do(just personal preference), in Man of the house it was hinted that the roommate loved the idea of her being humiliated, i may remove that and make it more non-consensual and more blackmail centric
7. The scene in the man of the house where the sadistic police officer who loves young woman, sexually molesting the jerk roommate after she is captured, can be reversed. The nerd tenant in the above route gets caught for pirating or something illegal and the female officer who is sadistic but craves young effeminate males, strips his bottoms, examines genitals, may be does light cbt, anal probe him etc
8. Like in man of the house there can be 2 female tenants as well and land-lord being BI can sexually molest, corrupt and humiliate the girls in the same way. This can increase the target audience to people who love lesbian domination as well. And in the final arcs it can that landlord forces, corrupts tenants to have sex with each other while streams it or while she take parts or something.

I see a lot of games that gets re-worked to add a different game dynamic. I think man of the house is perfect for a re-work with gender reversal. Just add one more young adult effeminate male and make the landlord the protagonist

 

[mrboom90]

Maybe they are all gay? That way their 'corruption' would be being forced into pussy.

They could also be all ntr haters being forced into a reverse harem

They could also be weird situation like young male was raised to be a priest from young age and considers matters of the flesh morally questionable, they can be femboys. This game schoolgirls vs elite teacher the male mc is sexually immature and tries to resist his students advances of corrupting him(It is from from male mc's point of view and he gets corrupted, would love if it was from the female who were trying corrupt him was the protag and wish graphics were 3dcg like in man of the house) You can always make situations up in games.

 

[Northern_Blade]

Hi guys. Slightly new to posting to start an open discussion, but after being an user of f95zone for over 3 years was seeing some usual trend and was wondering!!

Why no one has created a true dominant female protagonist who slowly corrupts submissive males. Every submissive male corruption game usually will have the male as the protagonist. That leads to a really disappointing gameplay where u as the protagonist needs to make idiotic decisions yourself to make the story move forward. And there will be some cliche with brain washing or hypnotism as well. This ruins the fun of corruption/blackmail and u don't get the satisfaction. And the corruption and humiliations are usual cliches like boot licking, extreme femdom etc. There is real few games where the male is dominated by a female, as female is dominated by male. There is no perverseness in the female to use the males body as a tool satisfy her sexual desire. No desire to expose their body parts to satisfy their thirst to see a young nude body parts.

The only 2 games where I seen where there is at least slight perverseness for corrupting/dominating males are in trap time and schoolgirls vs elite teacher . It would be great to see domination on males by females in similar pattern(can take that pattern to a whole new level though, that pattern of domination is still at the infancy for some reason). Having that type of domination on normal classic slow corruption games like big brother , man of the house , headmaster , annies school days with gender reversed having a strong female protagonist and feminine, shy submissive young males would be mind blowing.

Coming back to the question, was hoping to get the opinion of the members on 2 things

1)Is there no appetite on strong dominant female protagonists who is actually a true mirror of its male counterpart(like the headmaster, annies teacher, big brother etc)? and if so why?
2)Is there no appetite on dominating/slow corrupting men in similar fashion to which is done a female(like the school girls in annies and the headmaster, roommates in big brother and man of the house) and if so why?


Would love to get your guys thoughts.
Thanks mrboom

Now I could totally be wrong about this ... but have you tried searching in Text games? I just recently discovered them, having been a long time VN player, and it seems the kinks go harder and deeper in text games. Also many of them cater more to female players. I'm still just wading in the kiddie pool section of the text game subgenre, but my hunch is if there is such a game, it might be found there.

 

[Jack Madrigal]

Easy plot : the obvious female protag that would pose as a legitimate figure of autority would be a mother, and it would be justified by the context in which it's set up, like a cultural thing (a matriarchal society, maybe tribal, maybe religious cult based around a goddess of life or fertility, or like the Drow in D&D where sadistic females rules for their evil goddess Loth)

Anything is possible, doing what everyone esle is doing just because "that's what peoples expect and everyone else is doing it so it must be what they want" is an admission of intellectual poverty.

 

[mrboom90]

Now I could totally be wrong about this ... but have you tried searching in Text games? I just recently discovered them, having been a long time VN player, and it seems the kinks go harder and deeper in text games. Also many of them cater more to female players. I'm still just wading in the kiddie pool section of the text game subgenre, but my hunch is if there is such a game, it might be found there.

Definitely will give it a try

 

[mrboom90]

Easy plot : the obvious female protag that would pose as a legitimate figure of autority would be a mother, and it would be justified by the context in which it's set up, like a cultural thing (a matriarchal society, maybe tribal, maybe religious cult based around a goddess of life or fertility, or like the Drow in D&D where sadistic females rules for their evil goddess Loth)

Anything is possible, doing what everyone esle is doing just because "that's what peoples expect and everyone else is doing it so it must be what they want" is an admission of intellectual poverty.

I agree. The two main things for the plot should be
1)position the female protag in position of authority(step-mom, landlord, headmistress etc) with a backstory that explains why she is sadistic and depraved(maybe sexual victim herself when she was younger )
2)have young males be submissive (school students under the headmistress authority, tenant who is blackmail by landlord etc) and effeminate(could be brought up to be a priest in controlling env, where sex is considered wrong )

Thats why i think big brother , man of the house , headmaster , annies school days are the perfect candidates. I think the perfect dynamic can be created by switching the gender roles