No one’s denying women face serious issues. They always have. But that’s exactly why it used to be understood that men have their own cross to bear, and society used to respect that. Now, that’s all gone. You can throw all the stats you want, but it doesn’t change this: Men built civilizations, fought wars, died in coal mines, jumped on grenades, and carried entire families with no emotional support. And for what? To now be told they’re "privileged" because they aren’t constantly crying online? Modern culture sees a man express pain and instantly mocks him, invalidates him, or calls it entitlement. Even feeling tired is now seen as weakness if you’re male. You listed all these stats, but none of that erases the crisis men are in right now. Skyrocketing suicide rates, purpose collapse, no rites of passage, declining father figures, broken family courts, zero dating leverage. That is the real world now. The fact that pointing this out triggers people tells me everything.
Ok so you are just going to ignore the "world" point made, the point made about different social values in the world. Fact is you don't care about "men" you're scared because you can't fit in and are making a post based solely on selfishness fueled by willful ignorance and can be seen in every one of your posts.
No one’s denying women face serious issues.
Women are not facing serious issues, women are facing serious issues CREATED by men, a very important distinction and you embrace glossing over these types of distinctions throughout your posts.
But that’s exactly why it used to be understood that men have their own cross to bear, and society used to respect that.
and by society, you mean men? As for the "cross to bear", men go out and build an absurdly large cross, pick it up and then walk around going "oh woe is me" at some point, some generation is going to point out they should stop building damn crosses and get to work fixing everything they broke.
Now, that’s all gone. You can throw all the stats you want, but it doesn’t change this: Men built civilizations, fought wars, died in coal mines, jumped on grenades, and carried entire families with no emotional support. And for what?
Firstly, let me quickly fix this for you...
"Men built civilizations,
they started wars, fought wars, died in coal mines
while helping to destroy the planet, jumped on grenades
that other men threw, in wars MEN started, and
SOMETIMES carried entire families with no emotional support
SOMETIMES."
Now that we got that out the way...
1) Men built civilizations, cultures and societies, MEN created the burdens they had to carry, men cut off most of the support they could've had throughout all those times by making stupid choices.
2) Men started wars over land, money, religion, politics and many MANY other reasons (ALL MAN MADE) and then yes they fought in them.
3) coal mines? I guess men died farming doesn't have the same visual impact? Yes, men died
farming in coal mines, coal mines owned by men, men who wouldn't improve safety conditions, wouldn't pay a proper wage, wouldn't look after the workers but yes, men did die in man owned coal mines....
4) Jumped on grenades? you're really reaching for the sympathy vote with imagery here
Yes men jumped on grenades, in wars started by men, many times for reasons that could've and should've been avoided.
Then soldiers came home to countries lead and run BY MEN and were forgotten, ignored and in some cases treated very badly by both the government and society.
5) Carried entire families with no emotional support? really? this part extends past exaggeration into the realms of pure ignorance. You should try visiting some rural areas in that small world of yours an actually talking to another human being instead of getting your info off a phone screen.
(we also shouldn't forget to mention all those men who walked out on their families)
For whatever men decided was the reason of the hour, power, money, religion, land etc. etc. take your pick.
To now be told they’re "privileged" because they aren’t constantly crying online? Modern culture sees a man express pain and instantly mocks him, invalidates him, or calls it entitlement.
I'm confused, do they mock you because you are crying or aren't crying?
Even feeling tired is now seen as weakness if you’re male.
You keep throwing out these random things without anything to back them up and given your habit of exaggeration and glossing of important distinctions nothing you write can be taken at face value.
You listed all these stats, but none of that erases the crisis men are in right now. Skyrocketing suicide rates, purpose collapse, no rites of passage, declining father figures, broken family courts, zero dating leverage.
1) Skyrocketing suicide rates, given the fact that you show no signs of educating yourself on the poor points you try to make is it safe to assume you are just parroting this and didn't actually look into it? Asking because the data does NOT support your claim. Given that the US just finished a 20+year war and as many as 24 veterans die by suicide per day and an additional 20 from “self-injury mortality” not to mention the number of people who suffer from mental health problems, were these numbers factored in? and for the record, those veterans and people with mental health problems were let down by governments lead and run by men.
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2) purpose collapse, really? in todays world with more opportunities than every before, more ways to explore, educate and find a place, you are claiming men are loosing purpose because women are starting to get equal rights?
3) no rites of passage, ok this one you have to explain....
4) declining father figures, ok, you are either coping and pasting or trolling.... if you are trying to pass this off as a new or recent or lately because of women problem you really are more out of touch with reality than I first thought....
5) broken family courts,
ok... point to a time when they weren't broken and to blame that on women
6) zero dating leverage, well from your posts, I'm guessing it has nothing to do with the current state of affairs and EVERYTHING to do with you.
That is the real world now. The fact that pointing this out triggers people tells me everything.
What you have posted isn't even close to reality or the real world and seriously, you have to stop referring to that small patch of land as the WHOLE WORLD, it's not and never will be... You should also stop throwing around the word "triggered". When people see something stupid posted and point it out, it does not mean they are triggered, it just means there are still some people with patience enough to take the time to explain instead of meme dumping the thread into obscurity.
Now those roles are gone or ridiculed, and what’s left is mockery, and a kind of quiet exile. And yes, many men are breaking down under it, whether anyone wants to talk about it or not. If you think that doesn’t belong here or a random forum on the internet, then where exactly does it belong? Because when men speak up in schools, they're toxic. In media, they're ignored. In public, they're shamed.
The problem with you guys is you think women want to race ahead and take over everything, you think this because it's how you think and what you would do. Instead women just want equality and to stand next to men NOT infront of them.
You talk about men speaking up but they don't, they ramble on using irrational claims based in fear and ignorance. Instead of evolving and making compromises so everyone can be equal, these men don't want ANY change and want things to stay as they are. They don't care if it causes suffering to women and they over look the suffering it causes them because hey even a poor man in the gutter is still a man right?
