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Davox

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this game has potential it's a shame that unless you play the optimal path you cannot 'win' so you cannot explore another things since you barely have time to complete the task its a shame would be a fun game if we have more time to play with the women.
Use the mod I posted on the previous page, you can set the Day/Week so you have an endless amount of time.
 

XKimky

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this game has potential it's a shame that unless you play the optimal path you cannot 'win' so you cannot explore another things since you barely have time to complete the task its a shame would be a fun game if we have more time to play with the women.
This is completely wrong, having played Wife trainer a lot there's a lot of different ways even in the same role to actually win the path. You dont have to follow a certain path but you definitely need to learn and understand how the game works.
 

Burningman

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Oh really? please tell me if we go wrong or discover that she like pain after going romantic path, we cannot change since we just have less than 7 weeks and even if we could we would harm the others that are 'training' with us and we would get a fail if we 'answer' wrong this is why i said optimal path, because you have too little wrong answer i couldn't even get one of the 3 first women in tutorial to like me or even win i lost all 3 of then and i was focusing on elsa so i come closer get fucked with 3 weeks(because she is too resistent) for me i needed at least 3 weeks to get her to come closer and she should have come closer two weeks sonner because come closer fucked her resistencia to me see this is the problem we cannot experiment in the middle unless you have played the game before so you go like "ok this one like x dislike x do x" this is not playing if i need to play the same game at least 3 times before getting good to it the game is doing something wrong lets say i go to that chubby one(damm nicknames doesn't leave my head) instead of going for work out and she get slim after 4~5 week i discover that i prefer her chubby and then let her play in glory hole i couldn't complete the quest nor make her love me because i do not have time since the things i 'discover' or 'changed' is too late.

so ok i discover she like x but doesn't matter since if i change now i get nothing i could use it next time i play but whats the point then? im not asking much just two more weeks maybe? or if she do something she like she could extend her time with him, this way we could train her in something she like and she give us more time, this is what we call optimal path because if you change in the midle you're fucked you need to do thing from the get go, ok if you go full time you could probably get one or two weeks more but why the hell would i play this way i prefer to experiment and see what she likes, another way to fix but way more hard to do since would be a game breaking change would be to have her change be in 'time' if in x weeks she doesn't change for the better the husband cancel it(you have 3 'free' weeks at the start to know each other and later the longer it get more likely the husband want to see the changes so even if she is perfect he would get her after some time because passed too much time.

anyway you saying that this game optimal path doesn't exist is just strange, since you can't fail too much if you fail lets say two weeks you're almost fucked you need to do everything right next weeks and even spent weekends with her to fix your error, there is no room for mistakes if this is not opthimal path i dont know what this is even the walkthrough posted make the choices for you because if you do not choose these ones you're going to lose there is nothing like "ok now you have 3 weeks to do everything you want with her because she loves you and you have made what the husband want so do anything you want with her these last weeks" doesn't have this, if you do not do everything right you're fucked.
 

XKimky

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You're mixing up two things. I never said you can't fail a client I said there was several path to succeed. Yes you can fail a client (but it wont game you over, you just have to succeed with one) if you're doing things wrong but still there's several ways to succed with a client so there's different way to get it to the end.

Here's a few with Elsa that I achieve myself and the process was a success : You can succeed with Elsa going back to her boyfriend without any love for you or she can be in love and you can make her your gf. Or you can make her your slave without the tamer. And the roads to arrive there are different too. Totally different way of approaching. But again I never said that you can't go wrong.

You seems frustrated that you can fail but this is a game and there's game over in games. Most porn game are VN where there no's such things as game over even RPGmaker game dont have game over but this do. You can screw up and fail which seems to be what's bothering you. And yes this game requieres a lot of trial but it's a part of the fun of it for me.
 

Burningman

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Im not frustated i can fail i even like it(since some games i go for fail so i can see most game overs) i'm frustated that i can't change things in the middle, answer this question if i go make elsa my GF but after 4 weeks i change my mind and made her become slave mode is it possible?

see this is my gripe the game doesn't have room for experiment for fuck sake i love playing jack o nine(even if i'm horrible on it) when i say optimal path is that you cannot change in the middle or you do not have extra room for something else you need to do things right from the get go you have 10 weeks that need you to do 9 things to win said path there is barely room for mistake and since mistakes increase resistence or other status a mistake sometimes is fatal the game have no room for mistakes and this is my gripe because if i change my mind i cannot change and if we lose we lose content(since we cannot call her or other things) i'm felling like i'm playing a VN where i need to choose what to from the get go and i cannot change later, this is not what i was expecting when i downloaded a 'trainer' game i was expecting more freedom of choices and not so much punishment.
 

XKimky

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Im not frustated i can fail i even like it(since some games i go for fail so i can see most game overs) i'm frustated that i can't change things in the middle, answer this question if i go make elsa my GF but after 4 weeks i change my mind and made her become slave mode is it possible?
No you cant. But that wasnt your initial complain. You said the game had an optimal path which is untrue. There's actually more than 5 ways to complete the first wave of clients and from then on the things get a bit more tight but it's still a game create by one person and totally free. No patreon nothing the maker dont want to get paid.

I dont say you have to like it, I just want to point out that there is not one optimal path that is misleading to people who would read the thread. The game is indeed difficult and can be frustrating at time but it's quite rewarding I think when you get it right.

YOu can still use quick save /load to experiment at will or use a cheat version like mentioned previsouly.
 

Burningman

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When i said optimal path is this - you cannot win unless you follow specific line up unless you follow these you cannot win this is what i call optimal path because you have too little room to maneuver, there is nothing like ok now i win i have 3 'free' weeks with her that i can just let her be and win or play with her if i have enough energy do you get my meaning? i'm not saying there is just 'one' path to win i'm saying that these paths are specific you cannot change then and even more waste time playing with her or you'll lose.
 
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nashk

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That's just how games like these are. They arn't fully sandbox, more similar to point and click games really.
 

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The first alpha of the new open source version was released to testers today (22nd March). It would need a leak from the testers to get it up here, but at least we know there is progress!
 
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Are they any details about it or how much content there is in it?
Seem like they are just trying to do a port of the current build, WT confirmed there is no new content in the Alpha build and not all of the current content has been added to the Alpha. You can mail WT on the hypnotics forum and ask to be play tester if you want.

Nothing else will be made public until there is a public build, no date for this has been announced as it will depend on how many bugs there are.

If I was a betting man I 'd say we'd hear something before May.
 

WatchMeDrive

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5 Months and no update. All these months were pretty much wasted in trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist. Just allow cheating ffs.
Exactly, lmao. Wife Trainer has completely wasted this game's development. He added a bunch of anti-cheat code to the game to prevent mods and cheat engine usage, and is now trying to develop an open source version of the game instead of developing active content. I know there were other reasons for moving platforms as well, so don't be surprised when this guy adds more anti-cheat measures to whatever new platform he uses.

His anti-cheat is a slap in the face to players who were continually invested in replaying this game. If you've already played the game 10+ times, why anyone waste time playing through the same stuff again just to see 20 or so new scenes that you added.
 

Davox

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FFS guys he giving it away free, he can do what he wants, it his ball. Sometimes the people on this site make me worry for the future of humanity. Kids today...

If you actually read his posts he's doing 2 things.

1) Developing content for the rags version and he has provided a few bit of info on whats in the latest version (One of the girls has had a boob job, so that's an avenue you'll be able to go down). He post daily in the rags version, so is very much still active. The rags version will continue to be anti cheat as he wants it played in a certain way. In reality this doesn't matter as there is cheat version available in a matter of days anyway. He probably gets a kick out of coming up with new anti cheat measures in the same way people like Grey get a kick out of solving them.

2) Overseeing the development of an open source version. That will initially be a direct port of whats in the current build but will also allow others to write content for and be anti cheat free. Hes not doing the direct coding of the open source version he's got other people doing that.

The question he's trying to answer at the moment is whether the next release should be in Rags or whether he should just hold off and release everything in Ren'py having one version locked down and one version open source. He can't make that decision until play testing of the Ren'py version is finished.


Ps. Probably not going to respond to any comments on this cause flame wars are already 95% of the content on this site ;)
 

WatchMeDrive

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Have you taken a look inside the game's code inside of Rags Designer? The anti-cheat he's added makes me question whether he cares more about the actual content of the game or cares about controlling exactly how people want to play it. There are so many little lines of anti-cheat scattered just about everywhere; I have no doubt he's going to add even more as development progresses. The main mod for this game on this site doesn't even solve everything, something you'd know if you took the time to play it.

It doesn't really matter anymore. A lot of the support for this game died down with the release of version 6 anyways, on this site and on Hypnotics Collective. The fact that he felt the need to add anti-cheat AND THEN oversee an open source project is just a drain on development. It's pathetic.
 

Llamastar

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this game is 100% FREE. yes i agree that he is wasting time trying to develop anti cheat in RAGS of all things but it is his decision and honestly this game is still one of the best games of its type if not the best. it can't be easy finding the right balance of dialogue and game play and so far he has done an outstanding job. there is a chance the anti cheat is something he does when he has writers block anyways

also, if anyone wishes to let us know if there has been any updates since the last one posted on the 22nd feel free
 
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Davox

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this game is 100% FREE. yes i agree that he is wasting time trying to develop anti cheat in RAGS of all things but it is his decision and honestly this game is still one of the best games of its type if not the best. it can't be easy finding the right balance of dialogue and game play and so far he has done an outstanding job. there is a chance the anti cheat is something he does when he has writers block anyways

also, if anyone wishes to let us know if there has been any updates since the last one posted on the 22nd feel free
Yesterdays update:
I gave estimated arrival times for next updates in the past and generally hit those expected time frames with decent accuracy.

I don't have one up now due to a lack of visibility, but will provide one as soon as I have that visibility.

The game is far from being dead. If you like the current content, I'm confident you'll be very pleased with what comes next. I'm sure the current lull is frustrating, but it'll be worth it in the end.
This is pure supposition on my part but ...
1st round of play testing was started a week ago. I'd expect WT would have put a limit on how long the testers had of a week or 2 maybe longer if things were really bad.

He's already mentioned there will be a second round of play testing before any release and not all of the current content is in the new version yet. I think we're probably looking like at least a month until the new version is up to speed and released.

However what that means for new content appearing in either version is really hard to judge. If there are problems with the new version then we are likely to see an update to the old version first.

You can keep up to date with the progress here:
 
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