Ren'Py Abandoned Wish With A Secret [Demo] [Rudkovsky]

[Hyped]

The 90s called, they want their backwards logic back. Why is this nonsense being liked? 3d art has been the standard for decades.

2d art is extremely slow even when you are skilled, that's why every 2d game on this site with no non-existent content is either 1-traced art, 2-non-shaded, 3-cartoony with bad proportions (they all look consistently terrible by any technical standard). You have no clue about what you are talking. Even massive corporations ditched 2d art a long time ago because of how time consuming it is to produce if you want a non-trivial amount of content.

This site is quickly becoming a cesspit of misinformed garbage when easy to debunk crap like this gets upvoted.

Grifters who are making thousands per month with a subpar product are celebrated while people who are just starting and learning are criticized, as if they owed you anything at this stage. Amazing to see such backwards logic. Visit any popular game thread and see the massive circlejerk users of this site tend to create.

Stop glorifying daz junk as art. That's like calling minecraft screenshots art. Nope, someone else did the art that these junkies looking for a quick cash grab exploit. So you end up with the same models used in a hundred different games.

These are just glorified screenshot slideshows. Most of these "devs" have no skill worth patronizing. 2D art takes effort and is usually decent quality when someone has to spend actual time creating the product. Daz and other one click apps like honey select encourage the decline in quality we're seeing.

As for the devs making it huge, they're successful despite the renders, not because of it.

 

[Deleted member 1150609]

1. 3D art has not been the standard of sex games for decades, so hold that L real quick. All you have to do is go on any dated site that hosts sex games and it'll instantly prove you wrong.
2. I made no allusion to 2d art being "faster" or completely original, but I will now, go look at Love & Sex: Second Base and try and tell me that 90% of the shit that's made with Render3D looks better. https://f95zone.to/threads/love-sex-second-base-v19-4-1e-andrealphus.13488/ The game is also updated relatively frequently, and it's the only game on the site with art that looks like it. Sure, there are games that look somewhat similar, but that's nowhere near as bad as how cookie cutter some of these Render3D games can get.
3. Big corporations made the move to 3d graphics because that's what people wanted for video games. I'm here to beat my dick, not count the sweat pores on a tavern keepers forehead. Render3D is overused and has lost any glamour it once had. That's not to say that 3d porn can't be good. Studio FOW and games like Breeders of the Nephylem look fantastic. But I'm always going prefer 2d art that has character and personality to prerendered 3d models that more than likely weren't designed by the developer anyway.

1- "dated site". You said it yourself. Only japanese games can consistently create a non-negligible amount of 2d art. And they are virtually all professional studios, not just a single person.

2- lmao, is that what you call "good"? do you even know how to draw? the proportions are off, shading is super generic. It's the typical cartoony art that only works for certain genres and which a lot of people don't even like. Let's remember that you said that 3d art "never looks as good as drawn art" and this is the kind of art you show to justify that? you just proved my point.

Stop glorifying daz junk as art. That's like calling minecraft screenshots art. Nope, someone else did the art that these junkies looking for a quick cash grab exploit. So you end up with the same models used in a hundred different games.

These are just glorified screenshot slideshows. Most of these "devs" have no skill worth patronizing. 2D art takes effort and is usually decent quality when someone has to spend actual time creating the product. Daz and other one click apps like honey select encourage the decline in quality we're seeing.

As for the devs making it huge, they're successful despite the renders, not because of it.

Do you realize one of the most successful 2d games on this site is traced art, literally "stolen" from porn photography? people don't care where the "art" comes from, or if it "took effort". What kind of childish logic is this? the whole purpose is to use the art to tell a story, the art is not an end itself. You don't get "good boy points" for spending more time doing it. Seems like the argument of an old man who can't accept the future.

The garbage, generic 2d art you are glorifying is also easy to reproduce if you know the basics of drawing. But it's obvious none of you can draw so you keep doubling down on a misinformed opinion.

 

[PoyntFury]

1- "dated site". You said it yourself. Only japanese games can consistently create a non-negligible amount of 2d art. And they are virtually all professional studios, not just a single person.

2- lmao, is that what you call "good"? do you even know how to draw? the proportions are off, shading is super generic. It's the typical cartoony art that only works for certain genres and which a lot of people don't even like. Let's remember that you said that 3d art "never looks as good as drawn art" and this is the kind of art you show to justify that? you just proved my point.

1 - You didn't disprove my point. Have another L.

2 - Yeah, that's good. Not great, but good. 3D renders are by and large not good in the slightest. ESPECIALLY considering the fact that 99% of developers that use those models DID NOT make or render them themselves, they're what you might call pre-fab. Again, I will take drawn art over 3D everyday. I don't care for the uncanny valley that fills 3d render games. The mention of professional studios also proves my point. ANYONE can take 3d models and just slap them onto the screen, which is why every "developer" goes for it nowadays. Drawn art takes skill, which is why the shitty ones on this site go nowhere. I bet you I could give you a year to draw art as good as what is found in Love and Sex, and you probably couldn't do it. Whereas you could probably learn Ren'Py in a few months, and just grab the 3D renders off of a number of repositories. I'm sorry that I appreciate genuine talent more than you do, but I suppose that's just where our preferences differ.

 

[Hyped]

1- "dated site". You said it yourself. Only japanese games can consistently create a non-negligible amount of 2d art. And they are virtually all professional studios, not just a single person.

2- lmao, is that what you call "good"? do you even know how to draw? the proportions are off, shading is super generic. It's the typical cartoony art that only works for certain genres and which a lot of people don't even like. Let's remember that you said that 3d art "never looks as good as drawn art" and this is the kind of art you show to justify that? you just proved my point.




Do you realize one of the most successful 2d games on this site is traced art, literally "stolen" from porn photography? people don't care where the "art" comes from or if it "took effort". What kind of childish logic is this? the whole purpose is to use the art to tell a story, the art is not an end itself. Seems like the argument of an old man who can't accept the future. The garbage 2d art you are glorifying is also easy to reproduce if you know the basics of drawing. But it's obvious none of you can draw so you keep doubling down on repeating a misinformed opinion.

That's like saying the future of photography is instagram. There's a clear correlation between effort and a general decline in quality.

I doubt anyone here is against 3d art. We're just against factory mass produced screenshot junk, because we know what's coming next is a deluge of shitty vn games that we have to sift through.
Any dev serious about their product would stay away from the look that these one click render apps and assets have.

 

[Deleted member 1150609]

1 - You didn't disprove my point. Have another L.

2 - Yeah, that's good. Not great, but good. 3D renders are by and large not good in the slightest. ESPECIALLY considering the fact that 99% of developers that use those models DID NOT make or render them themselves, they're what you might call pre-fab. Again, I will take drawn art over 3D everyday. I don't care for the uncanny valley that fills 3d render games. The mention of professional studios also proves my point. ANYONE can take 3d models and just slap them onto the screen, which is why every "developer" goes for it nowadays. Drawn art takes skill, which is why the shitty ones on this site go nowhere. I bet you I could give you a year to draw art as good as what is found in Love and Sex, and you probably couldn't do it. Whereas you could probably learn Ren'Py in a few months, and just grab the 3D renders off of a number of repositories. I'm sorry that I appreciate genuine talent more than you do, but I suppose that's just where our preferences differ.

This has to be the dumbest discussion I have had on this site so far. It's obvious you can't draw and you have never modeled anything. This site is basically 4chan at this point. Your points are so stupid I don't even need to refute them, they refute themselves in the eyes of anyone who has actually done something in 3d and 2d.

I doubt anyone here is against 3d art. We're just against factory mass produced screenshot junk, because we know what's coming next is a deluge of shitty vn games that we have to sift through.
Any dev serious about their product would stay away from the look that these one click renders apps and assets have.

Are you for real dude? "that we have to sift through"? do you think the world owes you anything for fapping and not producing anything? the delusions of people on this site would make a psychologist cringe.

There is plenty of shitty 2d art and shitty 3d art. Since you can't draw at all, you think bad 2d art takes time when it doesn't. What people look in a game is a good story. The art is often merely the medium. If you had thought before posting like a narcissistic prick ("people need to satisfy my need and create games according to my demands") you would have noticed that.

 

[PoyntFury]

This has to be the dumbest discussion I have had on this site so far. It's obvious you can't draw and you have never modeled anything. This site is basically 4chan at this point. Your points are so stupid I don't even need to refute them, they refute themselves in the eyes of anyone who has actually done something in 3d and 2d.

You're right, I can't draw, but that's why I appreciate those who can.
(Tracing, honestly, who gives a fuck?)

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The 3d render models employed by the average developer on this site was not modeled or rendered by them, but taken from a vast repository of model renders offered by the software.

 

[PoyntFury]

That's like saying the future of photography is instagram. There's a clear correlation between effort and a general decline in quality.

I doubt anyone here is against 3d art. We're just against factory mass produced screenshot junk, because we know what's coming next is a deluge of shitty vn games that we have to sift through.
Any dev serious about their product would stay away from the look that these one click render apps and assets have.

Exactly, I'm not against 3d art. There's plenty of UE4 and unity games on this site that look fantastic. But Ren'Py VN is an entirely different story.

 

[Deleted member 1150609]

You're right, I can't draw, but that's why I appreciate those who can.
(Tracing, honestly, who gives a fuck?)

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The 3d render models employed by the average developer on this site was not modeled or rendered by them, but taken from a vast repository of model renders offered by the software.

Just to show how misinformed you are once again: "model renders repository" is not a thing. You don't even have the basic knowledge of what you are taking about.

Exactly, I'm not against 3d art. There's plenty of UE4 and unity games on this site that look fantastic. But Ren'Py VN is an entirely different story.

What the fuck? Ren'Py is not a renderer. UE4 and Unity games on this site also often have rendered images on Iray too. Dude, just do your homework next time.

 

[Hyped]

This has to be the dumbest discussion I have had on this site so far. It's obvious you can't draw and you have never modeled anything. This site is basically 4chan at this point. Your points are so stupid I don't even need to refute them, they refute themselves in the eyes of anyone who has actually done something in 3d and 2d.




Are you for real dude? "that we have to sift through"? do you think the world owes you anything for fapping and not producing anything? the delusions of people on this site would make a psychologist cringe.

There is plenty of shitty 2d art and shitty 3d art. Since you can't draw at all, you think bad 2d art takes time when it doesn't. What people look in a game is a good story. The art is often merely the medium. If you had thought before posting like a narcissistic prick ("people need to satisfy my need and create games according to my demands") you would have noticed that.

Let's be real, these "devs" are out here hunting for patrons and their dollars. The quality we're seeing with some of these games they should be paying us to test them like they do in the regular game industry.

If you can't draw, then write. Just use twine or some other text-first engine. Daz garbage is the same as badly traced pencil art. It deludes devs into thinking they're artists. Ditch the "art" and go with actual porn screenshots like some of the successful twine games do.

 

[PoyntFury]

Just to show how misinformed you are once again: "model renders repository" is not a thing. You don't even have the basic knowledge of what you are taking about.



What the fuck? Ren'Py is not a renderer. UE4 and Unity games on this site also often have rendered images on Iray too. Dude, just do your homework next time, you will prevent being embarrassed.

You can find a number of renders on Daz3D's site.

I'm aware Ren'Py isn't a rendering software. The vast majority of these games are housed in Ren'Py's VN software. Most of them are probably rendered by Daz3D.

Oh, also, having used both Maya and Poser, I can say with confidence that both had a large amount of prerendered models in the software.

 

[PoyntFury]

Also, here's a site where you can buy and download 3D models made by someone else!

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[joeblow7314]

Stop glorifying daz junk as art. That's like calling minecraft screenshots art. Nope, someone else did the art that these junkies looking for a quick cash grab exploit. So you end up with the same models used in a hundred different games.

These are just glorified screenshot slideshows. Most of these "devs" have no skill worth patronizing. 2D art takes effort and is usually decent quality when someone has to spend actual time creating the product. Daz and other one click apps like honey select encourage the decline in quality we're seeing.

As for the devs making it huge, they're successful despite the renders, not because of it.

No, *good* 2D art takes effort, just as *good* 3D art would take effort. Your problem isn't the medium - it's the artists. There's good 3D art out there, in porn form and not. It's just that, as you say, there are all too many looking for a cash grab who aren't interested in good art, and it drowns out the rare gems.

There could just as easily be a glut of stick figure art out there that took the same amount of time/effort to generate as the 3D crap you're all too familiar with. Nobody would be patronizing it, but it's just as theoretically possible as the Daz spam. Again, the medium is not the problem. Lazy devs/artists are going to make crap-looking art, no matter how they choose to go about it. It's just that with the 3D route, they start with a (slightly) more appealing zero-effort product than literal stick figures, so it makes for an easier cash grab. That says nothing about the potential for quality on the high end when more than zero effort is put in.


At the end of the day, though, people want what they want. I in no way am trying to convince you that you shouldn't prefer 2D art to 3D, whatever the effort put in by the individual artists may be. By all means, enjoy your own thing. Just don't expect everyone else to enjoy exactly the same thing(s) you do, or waste your life getting mad when they don't.

 

[DarkWolf2055]

this was a bad start

 

[Safetydummy]

Um, I played this...and I'm still not sure what happened. It took me a couple of minutes just to figure out which character I was supposed to be- I think I was "Eve"(?). It was pretty vague for while- not of fan of the O.O.B.E. narrative. I'm not sure what the drama was with Lothar and Macks? Jess kinda looked a little like Natalie Dormer, which is why I DL'd it to begin with...

So a quasi-fiance cheats on you, you kick a bottle, a buff Tim Burton's "The Mad Hatter" pops out and gives you a "willie". I think that's about it.

 

[Retro]

marked abandoned

 

[DanThaMan]

This one isn't abandoned anymore, v0.1 has been released.

 

[BaasB]

SvS link

Ep.1
A direct continuation of history Models Max, Jess, Christina have been changed

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