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yes, yes, I can tell you this one from the garden until it was being well-awaited, because there could be tentacles against Jack. They don't even finish one update and they've released another, the game's owner is mentally ill.
The problem is that the moment Jack gets seriously fucked, not in a dream, not by some monster, the hype of the game dies because the primary need of the player has been satisfied. So from a script point of view, they need to have the minor characters fuck her first and steadily move up the sexual partners based on importance. Only in the end should cupid and her uncle fuck her because they are the ones the player wants Jack to fuck, since they are the main male characters. They just need to give them some action here and there, but not sex, in order to keep them relevant and have the player reach close but not close enough and mix in between others getting some action.
So in general they could have the zombies, the dog, the trees, the inn keeper, the dwarf, the elder in the garden etc all have sex with her eventually, but the main 2 have to be last, otherwise if her uncle fucks her in the next update then there's not much left. If he keeps fucking her it will get boring, if the trees for example fuck her in the next update then who cares? If her uncle fucks a vampire next or the mermaid, who gives a fuck about a female that's not Jack? So in that perspective they are spot on, which is why the game is still interesting. The main issue is that the updates are very scarce, and then the storyline is all over the place, lately there's hardly anything going for the male characters we care for and some updates have barely any action in general. Lastly it would be much better if the inn keeper or the elder got a titjob rather than some random tree monster cuz they would start checking things off the list and get closer to fucking her. And if it had to be a monster, at least use something resembling a human like a zombie. That's from Jack's perspective, from her uncle's perspective for example if her uncle had to fuck a vampire next, at least make him ask the vampire to transform to Jack so the player still gets what he wants without the hype dying. But what can you do?
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There was a guy named PaddyOf..something on their patreon, he might know. You can find him at the comment section there or maybe he even writes in this thread.
Nah, they're just artists who don't know how to manage at all. A common story for developers from the countries of the former USSR. We can even make a fully working build of a game with great visuals and not so great gameplay, but never release it. Oh, hello, Captain Blood. How are you doing?
Well this would be an excuse if we didn't have an example of Summertime Saga where family members have been fully fucked for a long time ago, while the game continues to increase the number of monthly donations. Plus your way supposes that Sam and Jack's relationship should develop anyway, but their last interaction with sexual overnotes was who knows how many updates ago.
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Summertime Saga has multiple important female characters and one male main character, it's a different model, Witch Hunter Trainer has one female main character, 2 main male characters, various side male characters and a few irrelevant female characters. The same rules don't apply here. And my way didn't suppose anything like that, i said there's hardly anything going on for the male characters we care for. The solution here isn't for Sam to fuck Jack in the next update, i pretty much said that's the only thing that's justifiable for not happening.
The problem is literally everything else, the small, rare and uninteresting updates. Then the storyline which goes to the garden with barely any action, then ditche its in the next update for the mines with barely any action, then ditches it right away once more and goes in the woods with barely any action. Meanwhile apart from one dream of Sam we got some trans mermaid and some tree getting some action, while there are various male side characters that would be much preferable to have it instead since there has been build up for them here and there. It seems like the developing is dead and they're just throwing around whatever they come up with by recycling material they have been left with in order to keep getting paid.
But still this is a very small erotic game project, it's not like Disney destroying Star Wars, no reason to complain and fuss so much about this, it's not like life doesn't move on if the game doesn't update regularly. Nor did people pay for this to complain about wasting their money, it's free, it's their choice to support them on Patreon, if they don't want to, they can stop, nobody is forcing them. The developers did everything in their power to prove they are unreliable, either by poor results and low perfomance or by the vague promises and constant excuse making, so if you want to blame someone, blame the patreon followers.
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Okay, Glamour (Kate's Path) from Dark Silver.
Might be better example.
Main female hero was fucked by almost everyone in the game, yet fans still want more.
Of course, there's also Max' Path which blurs our equation and we can't truly say which of these two locomotes the project.
But I see some resemblance in this to project to what you've said. Looks like creator fallen to the trap, where he just don't know what to do next with this girl and so he focused on Max' Path for few updates in a streak
Well, it's a new year and no update. who saw that coming? LOL. The tree part for Christmas was no gift. It's is so they can say that they gave us something at the end of the year and they don't need to give us anything for another 8 mouths because they gave us a tit job TREE, The Mermaid got a hole, and the tree got wood and all he got was sapped with a broken stick. I wish people would stop giving them money till they give a proper update.
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Acctually it is.
By game structure, these three have the most dialogue. And the whole story revolves around them.
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well bartender talks a lot too and merthing talked a lot and many others talked a lot too but aren't mcs.
mc is something player controls and no controlling much of "angel".
I honestly love all these types, the key is to build anticipation so the player has something to wait for. But right now there's not much of that. I wonder if they do polls about things like these in their patreon when it comes to the next updates. If she is to be fucked by pretty much everyone in this game, i wonder when it's going to start. They could add things like the bartender getting her drunk and fucking her in the ass since the merman has already gone that route. With the dwarves since they already have disguised their cocks hanging out of holes as "worms" they could either get the main dwarf to get a blowjob in a glory hole like scene where he fools Jack into doing it. Or potentially a bukkake like scene where she blows every "worm". The old man in the garden giving her an aprhodisiac potion etc. Honestly there are many things they can do.
The next thing to do would be to give them a different relationship, for example Jack is wary of the perverted bartender and always avoids him, while she trusts immensely the old man, and she isn't aware of the dwarf being perverted. So when each of them progresses it gives a different vibe to the story, and it's not the usual Jack acts like she has 3 brain cells when it comes to sexual acts. While this also changes the role, instead of everyone being a hidden pervert and Jack having the same reaction, it could change into giving them some roles like mentor for the old man and asshole for the bartender and someone who has fallen in love with her like the dwarf etc. Another thing is plot twists, giving those minor characters more thoughts, making them more vocal, giving them ambitions and goals. For example Sam hearing the bartender's plan to put something in Jack's drink in order to fuck her, this gives the bartender more purpose and adds another element. And then there are plot twists like Jack hearing the bartender negotiating buying some aphrodisiac by the old man. Or Sam making a plan where Jack has to seduce or stall a minor character for him to accomplish something and ends up peeping. Or negotiating for something with a minor character and the character in exchange demands a sexual favor from Jack. Those are examples of smaller "quests".
One example now of a big "quest", in the next update Sam wants to fuck Jack, he uses some fake excuse where she's helping him steal some treasure map or magical artifact, whatever, so he has to go to the garden and get an aphrodisiac, use Jack to seduce the old man, get the aphrodisiac, then have Jack stall the bartender with some pretext like to open his safe but instead Sam puts the aphrodisiac in her drink while both Jack and bartender aren't looking, then she drinks it and she wants to fuck and then we have a twist where Sam fails and someone else ends up getting action because something came up. For example the old man saw they stole his aphrodisiac and put something in Sam's drink. One up'ed them all. So when Sam is about to fuck her, the old man gets some action instead. In the inbetween steps in the first part the old man gets action while Jack seduces him, the bartender gets some action while Jack stalls him, she drinks it, bartender wants to take advantage, Sam peeps and when it progresses a bit he "saves her" in order to seem like a hero, Jack is now feeling hot for him, it seems like Sam's plan was a success, she's in full heat, she gives him a blowjob and while Sam was about to fuck her, he feels dizzy and is left on the ground unable to move, and the wise old man who tricked them all comes and fucks her instead. This way we get a cliff hanger and a minor character progresses more instead since we don't want Sam to fuck her yet but Sam also progresses towards fucking her too by getting a blow job. And they keep interchanging between small quests and big quests with multiple parts which leads to main characters getting some action and the minor characters one after another fucking her. Eventually let's say Zombies gang bang Jack and Sam and Cupid dress as zombies too, Cupid gets a blowjob, Sam fucks her in the ass, so when she's having sex already with others, Sam gets some progress gradually to lead eventually in fucking her too from her pussy, as himself, not someone else. An example of a small quest after a big quest which focuses way more on Sam.
This is just one example, but with a structured way they could build up more tension for multiple characters and also variety, slowly progressing by getting steadily more action, and this way people would root for everyone to fuck her, even if they want Sam to fuck her the most, so when the next update comes out, we still have someone else getting action and Sam still peeping when it happens. I'm a writer who has helped some NSFW artists in my free time before with their stories and looking at this game it's obvious they had a good writer at the start. The whole thing was very organised and structured with a clear goal in mind, athough we miss "acts", meaning clear goals of progress, an incident which is defining and causes a change, it feels like this has been stuck in the first act forever. For example the merman fucked her in the ass and nothing changed (plus it happened out of nowhere too). Sam didn't get jealous of someone else fucking her making him eager to fuck her too. Jack didn't get more sexually aroused by what she thought was a "dream" and so on. An example of character progress could be Cupid mastering some succubus arts in order to make Jack horny and Sam finds a magical object instead. They negotiated with someone to give them X if Jack did Y to him? He goes into the room, Jack refuses at the start then Cupid uses his succubus arts. Sam fails to even get a french kiss? He falls into some ancient tomb and finds the golden dildo scepter for example which gets gradually more and more power, so it helps him get progressively more action. So have them fail a few times while minor characters fuck Jack in the 2nd act, and then break it out by giving them something else to evolve and fuck her too in the third act. So this is where it gets tricky for me, for it to have had such structure yet no progress. Till now we had penetration in a dream of Sam and with the merman hypnotizing her, both things eventually had the same impact, one way or another it never happened as far as Jack is concerned so she didn't have to change. It seems like the writer must have been overruled a lot of times, or simply left because there's only so much free time you can have. Otherwise there's no writer and the person making this is good at the intro but bad at the middle, which typically is by far the hardest in writing, so i don't blame him/her, especially if it's an amateur.
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That is to much of a assignment for this creator. I’m at the point I’ll check in on them in a few years iv given up on this patreon and after this failure good luck getting you’re customer base back again cause I know I wouldn’t pay to support ever again
You found this game recently, didn't you? Because I did the same: wrote them how to improve the game and calmed down angry patrons who got everything before me.
The problem is not the slow pace, it's normal in the context of the game. The problem is that Breadman produced more content in six months than they did in two years.
Their style is to announce that a next update will contain: a, b, c, d, e. But then the update comes out and barely has a and b. Then they say this is only a part and the full version will be released soon. And finally they publish a post in which they announce completely new content, forgetting about the previous one. Repeat.
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Yea i found it recently tbh, from skimping through the pages and seeing their announcements i figured this is pretty much what they were doing, being lazy or procrastinating, vagues promises, mediocre delivery and repeat. Also just writing them how to improve it doesn't usually work that way. A simple summary won't do, and it has to align with the ideas of the creator, you can only create guidelines and give out suggestions, decide together with the creator, and then when the decision is made to actually work out the details. Not to justify them, but let's say you went to Netflix and told them what changes they need to make with Witcher, in your head they might be great suggestions, but in reality they are just touches on a finished product. They would only take notice if you already created something out of scratch with success. Imagine it as giving a relative advice on the New years table vs him/her going to see a therapist. Your advice might work for you but what if he/she has PTSD or is bipolar? So structuraly the issues might be much deeper and need certain techniques and lots and lots of work to get solved. Same thing applies with a story.
Also just to be clear i didn't write this as an attempt for them to read it and improve or anything. On NSFW projects i worked before i did it with commission, in established projects it's a commission like 20% from the new subs and a much smaller on the existing ones. But it goes without saying that to participate the other side has to produce, otherwise you might put a couple of months of work into creating a detailed story line, finding art references etc. And the work never gets done, so you never get paid, so you wasted all that time.
As i said before either the writer left or the person who made this happens to be good at the first third of the story and doesn't know how to continue it. It's normal to get lost in material you want to create yet don't know how and then when you try it actually doesn't come out nice, so you usually start something new and either put the previous thought on a locker or discard it. With them i think it actually goes even further, they are now recycling all those locker projects just to keep getting money from patreon since these updates contrain old art. So i wouldn't work with them unless i got a commission from the existing subs and assurances, much less help them for free. And that's assuming there is an actual artist and they aren't just hiring new ones hence the art changing. Plus i'm actually working with a NSFW artist on a project about a hentai chapter based on a known manga.
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