VN Ren'Py Abandoned Witch Hunter Trainer [Winter Special] [Team Borsch]

[CASTIEL112]

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[mr.goodkat]

Well thankfully for me, I've played a dozen or so that were actually good to the point I could play them without the porn entirely (though I definitely liked the porn being there). To each their own but I just think it's shitty when people try to actively discourage devs from trying to make their game more than just a vehicle for masturbation material.

Oh, you're that guy who watches porn for story and acting. I see. Porn is a low genre having a specific purpose, if you want to make gameplay you go indie. But most of these developers are artists not game designers and are not capable of anything more than grind and shitty mini-games.
Of course, if developers want to make gameplay in their porn games then ok. But if you spend half a year on the mechanics of a labyrinth that takes 10 minutes to complete and the reward is one sloppy scene then you are definitely doing something wrong. This was my point.

I've played a dozen or so that were actually good to the point I could play them without the porn entirely

What can I say - I envy your amount of free time. I will also assume that most of the titles from the list are games in the first place, but with a porn/erotic element. Which is a completely different story.

 

[HPZAT]

So count it at 1672 euros a month, and count how long the project has been running and how much money they've raised so far. What does the minimum wage have to do with it? What are you talking about? Freelancers do a huge amount of custom work for little money. If you take the same developers from Russia, like Team Borsch,The average cost of similar art is 40€, 1 second of animation is 9€ (9€*30sec Animation = 270€), and the game code and background sprites cost 300€. Open-source sounds are free (no licenses), as is music. A small script to order for 150 euros, depending on the amount of work (you can write it yourself). And that on average, for one update with one scene, we spend about 760 euros if you order it from the same Developers and freelancers from Russia. And we still have 912€ for another scene 912€ - 760€ = 152€ for unreasonable expenses.

Patreon takes some and there are probably some taxes. And you seem to be assuming that nobody put any real work time in this. How much did the actual dev earn per hour etc.

 

[HPZAT]

The guys are from Russia, converting for their money, they must be earning more than 5 minimum wages

And there are countries there "minimum wage" is 30€/month. That wasn't the point.

 

[mr.goodkat]

And there are countries there "minimum wage" is 30€/month. That wasn't the point.

There are two of them and apparently they live together. So even if they get $1,500 from Patreon minus 6% tax on professional activities, then the total amount is the average salary in Russia for both of them. So, if they don't live in Moscow or St. Petersburg, they can work on WHT full-time. Which looks logical, because if they released more content, they would have reached $5-10k from Patreon a long time ago. And I doubt that in their main job they earn that kind of money.

 

[HPZAT]

There are two of them and apparently they live together. So even if they get $1,500 from Patreon minus 6% tax on professional activities, then the total amount is the average salary in Russia for both of them. So, if they don't live in Moscow or St. Petersburg, they can work on WHT full-time. Which looks logical, because if they released more content, they would have reached $5-10k from Patreon a long time ago. And I doubt that in their main job they earn that kind of money.

Actually there is no logic in this.

 

[BatsyBat]

can someone share the scenes here?

 

[mr.goodkat]

Actually there is no logic in this.

Yep, cause Breadman didn't grow from $500 to $10k and didn't quit his job to work on DD full-time.

 

[LowRuv]

Wait... they actually finally updated it?

 

[cxx]

Not in the field and don't really care but where are these numbers coming from ? 270 for 30 seconds? Who the f#@k gets 32,400 an hour?

very good coder and high salary boss.

Jesus christ it's the 90's all over again!
Apparently locked myself into a bad ending (Crimson Curse) and the only way out is to drop 4 hours of progress... I ain't doing that, guess that's my canonical ending now.

there are saves in op.

 

[Sukme]

very good coder and high salary boss.



Makes close to 65 million a year...find that hard to believe.

 

[cxx]

Makes close to 65 million a year...find that hard to believe.

elon musk, suckerberg, etc.

 

[Sukme]

elon musk, suckerberg, etc.

Who are no where near the average/mean or 'typical' high end coder. You can pick the high end 0.1% of any career and say you can make this, which you can - very few do.

 

[Hendrik07]

Who are no where near the average/mean or 'typical' high end coder. You can pick the high end 0.1% of any career and say you can make this, which you can - very few do.

I think you are misunderstanding something here. As I understood it the 270 Euros referred to the creation of a 30 second animation, not on something as absurd as a person being paid 270 for every 30 seconds worked.

 

[Sukme]

I think you are misunderstanding something here. As I understood it the 270 Euros referred to the creation of a 30 second animation, not on something as absurd as a person being paid 270 for every 30 seconds worked.

Makes a lot more sense

 

[Bandi255]

Not in the field and don't really care but where are these numbers coming from ? 270 for 30 seconds? Who the f#@k gets 32,400 an hour?

First of all, 270 euros is for one 30-second scene with a 2D image, the same as in the game! It's a low-budget game. How could you even think that someone would be paid 270 euros for 30 seconds of work? We're not filming James Cameron's Avatar here; we're not paying that kind of money.

 

[LowLevelLesser]

Oh, you're that guy who watches porn for story and acting. I see. Porn is a low genre having a specific purpose, if you want to make gameplay you go indie. But most of these developers are artists not game designers and are not capable of anything more than grind and shitty mini-games.
Of course, if developers want to make gameplay in their porn games then ok. But if you spend half a year on the mechanics of a labyrinth that takes 10 minutes to complete and the reward is one sloppy scene then you are definitely doing something wrong. This was my point.

What can I say - I envy your amount of free time. I will also assume that most of the titles from the list are games in the first place, but with a porn/erotic element. Which is a completely different story.

Nah, I watch porn videos when I just want to masturbate (though I've seen some surprisingly well-done softcore stuff in regards to storyline but the acting was still mediocre at best). I play porn games to enjoy them AND masturbate to (some porn games I don't quite find fappable but still enjoy them regardless as I've said).

Like, who the hell is going to play Evenicle JUST to jerk off to it?! That's a lot of time investment just to get your rocks off... (that one probably counts more as a "game with porn in it" and Evenicle 2 tried to integrate a bit more but still.)

Ehh, my free time comes and goes depending on work requirements and other stuff going on from month to month. During the pandemic lockdowns I definitely had too much time on my hands. It was cool for the first few weeks but after that it just kinda sucked and I wanted to get back to living a proper life.

Ultimately, I understand your point though.

 

[Sukme]

First of all, 270 euros is for one 30-second scene with a 2D image, the same as in the game! It's a low-budget game. How could you even think that someone would be paid 270 euros for 30 seconds of work? We're not filming James Cameron's Avatar here; we're not paying that kind of money.

Yup understood now - my head was stuck on the time to do it not the finished product...kinda why I was asking in the first place ( seemed outrageous)

 

[Appleseed45]

All this financial talk…

 

[Orochi157]

And there are countries there "minimum wage" is 30€/month. That wasn't the point.

Converting this money here, pro BRL, Brazilian currency, they would be earning about 9000 BRL, Last time I saw, this would be giving at least a 7 minimum wages, that is, it is fucking money